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April 3, 2016

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Title	Important Notification
Author	TempestTcup
Upvotes	21
Comments	59
Date	April 3, 2016 5:13 AM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/RedPillWomen
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/4d50zh/important_notification/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/RedPillWomen/important-notification.166781 https://theredarchive.com/post/166781

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The difference was over moderation policy.

The founder (RPS) wanted a broader range of opinions to be expressible without leading to an instant ban.

Others felt that allowing some other voices to be heard was not in women's best interest.

Insofar as I understand RPS's statements, it wasn't so much about any particular opinion as the way that disagreement was met with a ban, rather than a reply.

I mostly agree. I think women need a much politer, more harmonious group than the rough-and-tumble atmosphere of TRP. But I worry that some women were coming in, hoping for advice, and being told they were horrible people and promptly kicked out, without being heard or having their needs respected.

I don't know how prevalent that was, having only seen it when and where I was here (rarely). But I did see things that troubled me.

Going forward, we are thinking in terms of much less moderator interference, with mods working more to make sure people play nice, and less to try to steer the discussion.

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[–]CrazyHorseInvincibleModerator[M] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

if TRP males are encouraging women to give away sex easily, isn't that at odds with RPW strategies?

Absolutely is it, and RPW is for helping women use RP information to help their goals, not men's.

TRP readers trying to vent anger here, or use it for their ends will be shown the door.

But when the question arises "How do unmarried women deal with the realities of the modern sexual marketplace?", the answer can't be "You are banned.", because that doesn't help women who don't already have a husband.

Not all red pill women are wives yet, and if they want to become wives, they need to be able to help each other pursue that goal. And to do that, they need to be able to talk about the hurdles they face without the fear of being banned for saying the wrong thing.

Hard-line advice about saving it for marriage can still be part of that conversation. But it can't be allowed to silence other voices by using mod tools, because some women who come seeking advice are not willing to do that, or indeed able to do that without rolling back time. These women are not "write-offs". Sure, some feminist-influenced types may come in, not like the truth, and storm off in a huff, but the red pill is about offering real talk to anyone who will listen, not protecting the narrative at all costs.

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so because he got banned, his whole opinion on red pill women changed?

You'd have to ask him what his opinion is.

He was banned quite a while ago... I think one of the mods had something personal against him. Dunno quite what was said, but that was what I heard.

But some ECs from RPW got banned from TRP, RPS decided that shouldn't happen, and bans on both sides were reversed.

i think it's for the best to have a sub only moderated by women

I agree. I'm willing to help out in the transition period, but my involvement here has only been occasional up to this point, and I'm still working with getting a handle on where to draw the line between "making people play nice" and "keeping this a non-pc space for real talk".

The traffic is much easier to handle than TRP's daily crush, but a women's group has different needs, so we're not really a good long-term fit. Volunteers are being sorted through.

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The difference was over moderation policy.

The founder (RPS) wanted a broader range of opinions to be expressible without leading to an instant ban.

Others felt that allowing some other voices to be heard was not in women's best interest.

Insofar as I understand RPS's statements, it wasn't so much about any particular opinion as the way that disagreement was met with a ban, rather than a reply.

I mostly agree. I think women need a much politer, more harmonious group than the rough-and-tumble atmosphere of TRP. But I worry that some women were coming in, hoping for advice, and being told they were horrible people and promptly kicked out, without being heard or having their needs respected.

I don't know how prevalent that was, having only seen it when and where I was here (rarely). But I did see things that troubled me.

Going forward, we are thinking in terms of much less moderator interference, with mods working more to make sure people play nice, and less to try to steer the discussion.

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[–]CrazyHorseInvincibleModerator[M] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I understand, no middle ground even?

Unfortunately, some the parties to the discussion were not willing to accept a compromise.

The moderation of the language is agreeable, but if I'm interpreting Scottish intentions well is to prevent that RPW start to “degrade" certain RP core ideas, because some of the main cores of TRP are very blunt and “off putting" to women in itself, and trying to prevent this is a slippery slope into degrading true concepts into more “politically correct" terms.

The reason I'm starting out with the idea of policing rudeness is that:

I fully expect some TRP readers who are still in the anger phase to take this as an excuse to come in here and sound off. Already had to instaban one guy.
We've had some issues with women who have less-than-ideal sexual histories being hounded out of the place, rather than told "there's only so much you can do, but here's some damage control advice".
I'm still trying to process what the community needs. I have much modding experience in TRP, which certainly does help, I know what works and what doesn't, but I have to care for and protect a different set of core values, and my initial impression is that women don't quite want the full rough-and-tumble atmosphere of TRP. If that proves to be a mistaken impression, then we can scale it back.

I share your concerns about becoming too "politically correct". The problem is that when mod tools are used to enforce one point of view, that view becomes the new political correctness. Hence the idea that mods are supposed to keep things civil, not enforce orthodoxy.

Only time will tell if RPWives becomes a truthful place of information, or feminism 4.0

I don't think that's the real hazard. My concern would be whether it becomes a place only for 40+ aged women who are already married to discuss their needs, and not a source of valuable advice for the women who are in their 20s and want to be able to get married, especially when they are confronting the harsh realities of the modern dating scene, which is not kind to young women who don't want to end up being stuck on the carousel.

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