Bars and clubs stack the deck against you; pick up women in your best context.

theodore_boozevelt · 2014-05-25T09:32:47+00:00

I think context is really important here. When girls are at home clubbing, they're goal is usually to get dressed up and dance. We go out to get laid, they go out for the validation that comes with getting free drinks and getting to turn down men who approach.

Now, the tide changes very quickly if yoy can do a couple things.

1- Separate her from her friends. They will cockblock you every single time.

2- Go out with a girl. Obviously it's a date. Duh.

3- Hit clubs as part of an event, like a pub crawl. Most of these girls are wanting to meet new people, not the "omg i just wanna get drinks and dance with beckyyyyy" crowd.

4- Be an alpha motherfucker who is on the 10% side of the 90/10.

11411181 · 2014-05-25T09:18:41+00:00

A woman receiving all the validation and attention she can in such a small timeframe inflates her ego to unknowable levels?

It's the weirdest thing.

No. It really isn't.

down_with_whomever · 2014-05-25T08:51:03+00:00

OP, I agree entirely. I have always hated bars and clubs for this very reason. Women gain a sense of value by rejecting - rarely flat out rejecting, but more frequently small, shit-testing half-rejections. In my game I try to minimize their opportunity to do this. In the club they have more opportunities to do this because there's a somewhat natural flow of escalation that will occur in this type of situation, and they have the ability to interrupt it more easily. Their goal in this environment is to maximize their validation, ours is to get sex. So throwing up little roadblocks for them is a fun game in this environment. Giving false indicators of interest, initiating physical contact and then withdrawing, every kind of shit test... It's also much more difficult to demonstrate value in this kind of environment, so dread isn't so effective. And it's hard to be cool when you have to scream at the top of your lungs into somebody's ear to get them to hear you.

ekjohnson9 · 2014-05-25T13:42:37+00:00

Well if you went to a bar that women paid $20 to get in and talk to you, you'd get a sense of inflated value too. The whole club atmosphere is designed to cater to women at the expense of men, with the value to men is that it presumably puts a lot of DTF women in one place (it doesn't).

Women skip the line, pay no cover, and immediately get a drink thrown their way courtesy of King Thirsty Dude. By the time you've waited around outside for them, (which is what you're doing if you're going to a club to meet chicks) paid money to go where they are, and bought enough liquid courage so that your friend won't pussy out, you've invested a tangible amount of resources in the faint chance of getting laid. Women pick up on this subtle social context and respond accordingly. Nobody is evil or entitled or whatever, we're all just mammals reacting to environmental conditions.

When scientists introduced leaves as currency to captive monkeys in which leaves could be traded in for food, the first thing the monkeys figured out was prostitution. Don't go to clubs to find a plate or meet chicks, go to clubs/festivals to blow off steam and dance like a jackass.

smokeybehr · 2014-05-25T15:31:34+00:00

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variableLt · 2014-05-25T09:02:57+00:00

I hate night game too. While I had some success now and then, most of my successful hunts where done in a broad daylight.

I guess the problem lies in the fact, that women see clubs as the concentrations of the best males available. They know if they reject one guy, another one will come two minutes after. It doesn't matter how good you are, if you approach early in the evening, they will wait to see if something better will come up. That's why it is easier to hook up closer you are to the club closing.

JohnPeel · 2014-05-25T12:18:57+00:00

I find the main problem is separating the girl from her cohort.

If the one girl you're talking to has the slightest inkling that she might want to leave with you, her friend/s will start getting jealous that you a) took attention away from them and b) that she's getting some and they are not.

That's really the hardest part, you have to be Henry fucking Kissinger and build rapport with all of them. The odds are heavily stacked against you.

back_in_towns · 2014-05-25T15:44:04+00:00

WHATEVER CONTEXT in which you're the shit, THAT'S where you game

As a semi-gifted coder.. okaaay

Pushnikov · 2014-05-25T12:07:31+00:00

The other thing going on with the hamster that we don't hear too often is that women are suddenly very intimidated by a lot of the prettier women in the area. You'd think that this would make them more happy to see you - but remember validation is priority. They will try and milk as much of that out of you as they can because they are feeling really defensive and trying really hard to pump up their own value. Their insecurity + their effort = bitchiness. This inflation makes only the hottest guys earn their "hard work" cough.

This is a major part of the female mentality in nightclubs that is overlooked.

Marsupian · 2014-05-25T12:51:02+00:00

Get drunk, have fun with some friends, approach girls for shits and giggles, when it's late bump into a girl, keep eye contact until it's too awkward not to kiss, success.

I probably talk a bit as well but nothing I can remember. Probably not the best way but the success rate is high for me.

A lot depends on the particular place as well. If you put me in on of those upscale meat markets I won't accomplish shit. Put me in a college bar and it's all good. Festivals, edm events and more casual places are hit and miss for me.

ibelieveinmydog · 2014-05-26T00:37:26+00:00

It's a great place to practice PUA techniques (once you're over the pain of being rejected that is..)

mydarkmeatrises · 2014-05-26T18:47:53+00:00

Back in my club hunting days one principle worked for me above all others: Keep it short and simple. No buying drinks, no hanging around her. None of that. A typical exchange that was successful for me went like so:

Me:Hey, I'm MyDarkMeatrises, who are you (asked with a tingle of incredulity)

Her: Cheapy McHeels&dress

Me:Cheapy, look, I want to speak to you outside of all this craziness, let's talk sometime.

Cheapy: (usually) Okay.

Me: (Gets number) I'll text you my # with my name so you'll have mine too. Enjoy your night.

Make sure she sees you again but ignore the shit out her and most importantly, let her see you do the same to the next chick. She will then know that she's not your only catch and you have options.

Menadian · 2014-05-25T15:56:40+00:00

I have close to stopped going to bars and clubs (at least to meet new people). I end up feeling I waste my time and certainly my money too.

smokingmonkey420 · 2014-05-25T22:25:47+00:00

I think a key to club game is to just not talk that much. Use body language and eye contact first before saying anything. Or, if I'm not getting that, I just buy her and me a shot and hand it to her and see where it goes from there. Money talks in the club more than anything else.

Lipophobicity · 2014-05-26T07:58:27+00:00

Clubs and bars (especially clubs) are literally the single worst return on money and time spent in order to get laid.

When I say literally, I mean you would get a better return at the Library, grocery store, or walking down the street. Clubs are always a waste and only go to bars when you happen to be going with friends anyway

vengefully_yours · 2014-05-27T06:11:05+00:00

Gave up on bars and clubs twenty years ago. Meet her somewhere else and she wants to suck my dick. Meet her in a club and I'm not good enough to speak to her.

Fuck clubs, I like parking lots and where they work. Don't bother with waitresses and strippers though, everyone hits on them and they want tips.

LivesOffTheLand · 2014-05-25T08:55:41+00:00

From my own experience I've noticed that it's only the Anglo White girls who become extremely picky when in clubs i.e only allowing approaches from the most alpha males on the dance floor. If your willing to approach women from other races however, and you know for a fact that you are above her in terms of physical attractiveness, you would be surprised at how quick these sluts are willing to jump on your dick.

boscoist · 2014-05-25T17:41:41+00:00

Really? I haven't had any trouble in bars, one of you must be doing it wrong. I have a thought, consult /r/malefashionadvice and never go to the bar in less than a good (long sleeved) button down. Your quarry tends to dress up to go out, shouldn't you as well?

Teeth_of_Lions · 2014-05-25T09:46:33+00:00

When chicks step into a club, something happens to their brain. In no other context does a 5 act like a 9.

In my experience, this is the rule and not the exception. Here is why...5s will act like 9s because women with mathematically proportionate facial features (average looking) are operating based on the fact that their features advertise a more diverse set of genes and better reproductive health. A club atmosphere only amplifies the phenomenon and allows average looking women to be more selective compared to on a subway or walking down a crowded street.

2014-05-25T18:00:12+00:00

to be fair, it easiest for me in a club.

lucifa · 2014-05-25T18:51:57+00:00

Find the environment where you are the top 10%. This is why college can be isolating for so many average guys. Of the thousands of students, the 10% will be in absolute peak physical and mental condition.

slerpaderp · 2014-05-25T21:39:26+00:00

Serious question here - as a skilled singer and guitar player, where can I go that gives me a good shot at standing out? I feel like karaoke bars have died out/are lame in general.

VonDoomsday · 2014-05-25T18:58:19+00:00

Please keep this shit to the top40 clubs. Always have lame RPish guys with "game" fucking up a solid night of drugs and dancing by being creeps and running girls off the Dancefloor. If you're at a club be there for the music, substances, eyes candy, moment etc and leave your "hunts" for awkward mall encounters

Flopsy-Bunny · 2014-05-25T11:12:28+00:00

When chicks step into a club, something happens to their brain. In no other context does a 5 act like a 9. On the street, mediocre chicks understand their value and behave accordingly. In the club, they reject men like we have the bubonic plague.

Do you think the problem is that you're a 3 that thinks you're a 10?

Title	Bars and clubs stack the deck against you; pick up women in your best context.
Author	leftajar
Upvotes	80
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Date	May 25, 2014 8:30 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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