FR: My first experience with a white knight and getting accused of 'sexual assault'

atticusfinch1973 · 2018-08-18T23:43:24+00:00

You had the right approach throughout, just wasn't in the cards. Hopefully you weren't fingering her for a while and obviously - as soon as she let you touch her pussy your next suggestion should have been to get the hell out of there.

Even pocket aces lose 12% of the time.

OfficerWade · 2018-08-18T23:28:35+00:00

I’ve had many nights this way with girls my guy. These girls who initiate with boyfriends want you to take them away, they want to be stolen. Soon as y’all start kissing you need to ask her if she wants to leave.

I’ve texted girls with lines such, do you wanna go anywhere else? You wanna get outta here? That’s all a girl needs to skip over the line and you can have sex with her if she goes along with it.

Good job on escalating though and not being a pussy... it could have been worse.

NDNPreserve · 2018-08-19T01:14:23+00:00

Club sluts. Look for trash you'll find it.

Rares5555 · 2018-08-18T23:41:49+00:00

I’m so tired of this shit. I took my first punch because of this. I hit on a girl from school in our local club, literally took me 5 mins of push pull to kiss her, we were all over each other, and a fat fucking ass that got jealous of me told another guy that was drunk and high that he’d give him 10$ if he sucker punched me. Thing is I didn’t fall and he pissed his pants (literally) after falling down. That’s how drunk he was.

Why can’t some fucks admit that some of us are better than them. I mean yeah if a 6 foot 4 athlete would steal my girl, I would be fucking angry and upset for a bit, but after all that’s the game. I stole birds too.

It’s all about who’s getting better and better. My father once said to me “You and guys your age are dumb fucks. You become in love with girls and better dudes steal them from you, and then you cry. When in fact, you boys should be passing girls around, and competing to see who benches more, who becomes a more successful man etc”

Dmva100 · 2018-08-19T01:25:54+00:00

All women lie about sexual assault unless due process reveals otherwise

B_Campbell · 2018-08-19T03:27:18+00:00

Fucking scary as hell that some chicks will throw criminal charges at a guy rather than admit they cheated.

ahab_dies · 2018-08-19T03:29:52+00:00

Sometimes it's just not meant to be. Of course you didn't do things perfectly (stayed in the club a little too long, got too sexually aggressive in public) but life's not perfect. Also you were unlucky with the bouncer because for us Brits we're still in an environment where anyone who gets "sexual assault" is instantly vilified, even though all you did was pull a girl and then get assaulted. I hear bouncers are more woke in the USA.

Some guys will not even bother if they know an ex/boyfriend is present because its not worth the trouble as that guy can be a ticking bomb and ruin the night. There are always other single girls there, but that's more of a preference than a rule.

Overall it was a really well played night, good stuff OP. Most guys could only dream of being at this level at 20. God knows what your kill list will be like at 30.

TooAngryToDie · 2018-08-19T01:02:58+00:00

OP, it sucks the jealous ex had to go and ruin your night but my dude, you've got game ;) Get back out there and reel some more in but be extra careful next time (The moment you reckon you can get laid with her, gtfo of the club asap just incase)

IronPollack08 · 2018-08-19T01:52:01+00:00

Whenever someone doesn’t like the situation, including the female, say the words sexual assault. Game over.

You handled it like a pro.

iLLprincipLeS · 2018-08-19T08:35:54+00:00

A consistent criticism I’ve received over the years is that the Red Pill is so negative. Why cant the Manosphere just sweeten up? Its truth is definable and self-evident, but why can’t Rollo adjust the ‘tone’? I’ve lived and written through several waves of newcomers to the ‘sphere and in each generation the same want for a ‘kinder, gentler’ Red Pill is always there. The idea is that if you just changed the delivery of the truth it would somehow make it more palatable to a wider audience.

Who’s It For?

I want reiterate here that it’s never been my goal to write for an audience. Whether it’s writing on this blog, my books or when I’m discussing things on various podcasts my only imperative is to convey the information I think is relevant to the topic of intersexual dynamics. My obligation is to picking apart and considering as close as I can get to an objective truth. And I don’t do this by way of some sense of duty to objectivism – it’s just the way that’s always seemed most efficient to me to come to a usable truth. It’s pragmatism on my part, not dedication.

Yes, I know, true objectivism is impossible for human beings. Yes, I also know that even biases we’re unaware of will subconsciously influence our rationality. Spare me the classicist intellectualism, I’ve been at this long enough to have considered all that. But the fact that objectivism is never perfect doesn’t mean we should strive for our best attempt at it – nor replace it with moralism.

I don’t write for an audience. I write about what I see going on around me and I connect dots. Writers today, of all medias, will tell you to “give your readers what they want” if you want to be successful. Writing about uncomfortable truths that rattle people’s cages is counterintuitive to the write-for-success mindset. If you want to sell books, if you want to monetize blogs, if you want to get more channel subscribers you gotta give the folks what they want, right? That’s how most churches work today; cater the message to the congregation if you want the tithe checks to stay consistent.

And always write to appeal to emotions too. People don’t enjoy thinking, but boy do they ever love feeling something – particularly in an age when female emotiveness is the order of the day.

When I began writing regularly it was in a forum environment. We hashed out many ideas and weren’t afraid to get ugly. It was a necessary part of the process. There was no pretense of appealing to an audience for money, traffic or readership. The sole focus was debating the truth about a dynamic. That debate was always a hot kitchen, but the results were something greater than the process.

As a result my essays carried over a lot of the heat from the SoSuave days kitchen. I wasn’t writing to impress readers or increase traffic to the blog it was just to document and codify the objective truths I came to. There is no monetization and the comment threads have never been moderated (besides spam and trolls). Almost 8 years later my charter is still about the same objective debate.

The drawback to this commitment to objective truth is that it rarely appeals to emotionalism. No, it’s not the ‘tone‘ or the feel of the information being related that’s so off-putting – it’s the information itself, and how it makes one feel, that determines whether it’s perceived as positive or negative.

Feels Before Reals

Most people who are still plugged into the proverbial Matrix are living in a world that prioritizes feels before reals. The purpose of consuming really anything is to judge it by how it makes us feel; and especially so in an era defined by the female experience. Emotion always comes before reason in women’s natural, unlearned, interpretive processes. This is also extended to men who’ve been conditioned to prioritize emotions before reason. And this is exacerbated by their need to be better feelers, better emoters, than those other ‘typical’ guys if they want an emotional woman to ever bear their children at some point.

Anything that prioritizes reason before emotion will always run the risk of being perceived as negative. Even if the sum of the information is positive, the fact that you had to come to the truth by way of reason rather than emotion will make it negative.

If you used your head instead of your heart to figure something out, in Girl-World, at best it’s bad form. At worst, you’re a negative pessimists or a cynic.

Usually those designations are reserved for the men who make a habit of using reason to the exception of emotion to relate an objective truth that’s unflattering to the feminine. Again, it’s the information, not the tone, that’s offensive to the emotions-first prioritization. To the Blue Pill mind, any strong idea that conflicts with this prioritization is an affront to the personal investments they’ve made in ideas that it challenges.

So, understand, I’m not a negative person by nature. I’m an artist. Few people know that my 2nd degree is a BFA. I draw, I paint, I play four instruments, I used to do Shakespearean stage acting – I’ve even done children’s theater.

I fully embrace the emotional as a necessary part of the human experience – Hell, half of Red Pill awareness is acknowledging and confronting emotions. I’m certainly not a cynic or a pessimist. Anyone thinking so usually hasn’t read my work. I’m very much an optimist when it comes to creating a New Hope for men in a Red Pill paradigm. I don’t just stop at clinical realism and leave men hanging. I don’t subscribe to the ennui of the “Black Pill” – I’m certainly not absolutist or a determinist.

However, I also have a commitment and an obligation to objective truth in everything I write. Trust me, there are times I wish I could use my wife and my marriage as a ‘proof of concept’ example of how a Red Pill aware guy can make a relationship work today. But the objective truth would make me look like a charlatan if I tried to convince a man that marriage was at all a good idea in its present state.

That’s tough for me. I have had to hold back from posting pictures of my beautiful wife and daughter to prove something to truly negative naysayers. Ladies, you want me to write something positive about women? I love my wife dearly. She’s been a net benefit to my life for all of 23 years now. My daughter is a model. She’s feminine to a fault and she’s smart and ambitious. I would die for her, gladly.

But I never use my personal life as an example in my work for their protection, but also because I don’t want to lead men astray by in anyway implying that what I have is possible for them. And I’ve had men tell me that, “I want what you have.”

But I don’t make value calls. I consider information, I try to interpret it, and I present it in such a way that it’s useful to men where they’re at. I want to give you tools to use to build your own life, not mine.

Truth & Hustle

Admire the Hustle. We read this a lot in the Manosphere among the guys who fancy themselves entrepreneurs. I think one reason critics think the Red Pill is negative is because all they see is the Hustle. The Hustle has a way of becoming the whole point of anything.

I’m an abortion doctor, but I make six figures and I’m the best at what I do. No one will out-work me. Admire the Hustle baby.

When the selling is more important the the product itself, then you have problems. When the truth is less important than the Hustle inevitably our truth becomes the Hustle. There needs to be a balance and that’s getting harder and harder to find now.

We’re at a moment in the Manosphere where the truth is starting to get lost in the Hustle. I’m accused of it, or I’m accused of associating with ‘too much Hustle’. Well-meaning colleagues with too much perception and not enough information are feeling that salesmen care more about the sale than the product.

I hear you.

Let me finish here by reiterating that my obligation to objective truth will always be my motivation for doing anything I put my name on. It always has been. However, I have worked for amazing companies who sold things that people loved and enjoyed only to watch them crumble and die because the sales team assumed control of the ‘product’. The selling became more important than what was being sold.

My books, my blog, my appearances, every aspect of The Rational Male is my art. I craft each essay. It’s what I care about most. I will never allow the truth to be compromised by the Hustle. The Hustle is important, particularly when it’s about disseminating the truth, but it is secondary to the truth – even to the exception of the Hustle. Sometimes the truth doesn’t sell.

This Is Important

We are rapidly entering a time when our ideas will be vilified. Very soon the objective, life-saving, praxeology that is the Red Pill will be used as a label, as a synonym, for negative ideologies that never had anything to do with the Red Pill. And people who are all about the Hustle will gladly abandon the truth they’re selling now if it means the public opinion of it would compromise their Hustle. It’ll be less about what we’re discussing than how influential and how many followers the person we’re discussing it with has.

Others, those who were appropriating the ‘brand’, will throw the Red Pill under the bus to save their own necks. The coming storm is going to test the resolve of people who are all about the Hustle and all about the Red Pill. I know where my obligations lie, they’ve never changed.

Jonny-Wavenhoe · 2018-08-19T05:40:38+00:00

I've read a number of similar stories on here, where men get accused of sexual abuse for tenuous reasons, and I've added my own. In your case, it seems as if she turned to that excuse straight out so her friends and ex wouldn't think her sluttier than they probably already know she is, right?

So, she'll stick to that side of it, probably not pressing charges (and your cctv will prove otherwise), and whenever she's polled to confirm she's a victim of abuse as well as every other girl, like many girls, she'll confirm the assumption that so many have been abused - ergo, the Me Too movement.

Does anyone know of one hash tag where we all share these similar stories demonstrating that so many women who will say they were poked in a bar or whatever were either just under a misapprehension, or outright lying to distance themselves from contempt?

bossman9275 · 2018-08-19T06:40:41+00:00

Damn. You guys keep mentioned lifting over and over. I just recently got a hernia just under my belly button and even with a belt I'm.not supposed to lift heavy ( go for reps not max) no squats,dead lifts, shit like that.

Have any of you had a hernia and if so what did you do for exercise if you could? I have to talk.to my doctor about it(so far I only went to a walk in) but I'd definitely like to have surgery if that's a possibility. I would definitely like to get jacked at some point and I've always enjoyed sports and going to gym. I hope once I have surgery I'll be able to go for mass again.

i_like_herr · 2018-08-19T04:39:14+00:00

Dude we're in the UK! You should've called the police, cc tv everywhere

Would love to see the chick in jail for assault

Wolveryn · 2018-08-19T03:46:42+00:00

Was the sexual assault claim from her? Or the ex-bf?

kiwifx · 2018-08-19T02:50:24+00:00

Well played, and well handled mate.

Question: UK has some pretty extensive CCTV watching everything. Given what happened here, does that bother you, or would you call it an asset because of these kind of situations?

VasiliyZaitzev · 2018-08-19T12:02:49+00:00

ISOLATE, then escalate. That first part is important.

z2a1-9 · 2018-08-19T03:16:01+00:00

Great field report keep slaying!

PepinoSF · 2018-08-19T15:50:53+00:00

He is not a white knight, but a jealous cuck. And it is not clear whether the girl is really in to you or she is just using you as a tool to penalize him in a really bad manner.

kyzen142 · 2018-08-20T00:11:03+00:00

Haha reminded me of my brother he does not give a fuck when it comes to these kinda of stuff on multiple occasions he would be on the dance floor and piss off some girl and she would hit him but he will hit her back or shove her he doesn't give a fuck. The last time we were in the club a girl on the dance floor was rubbing her ass on him and then he turned around to grind on her there was a dude with her maybe a bf but he pushed my brother and my brother literally pushed him in the throat so hard the guy almost fell down.

NikolaGeorgiev · 2018-08-20T07:37:53+00:00

Good god, that ex boyfriend... What a fucking cunt.

mr_kuk · 2018-08-21T13:15:32+00:00

Your experience is so full of your solipsism that I don't know where to start.

I'll keep it short. You were a pawn in a carefully crafted drama. A chump. The give away is her sister punching you.

"But, she grabbed my dick!" Yes, and you also got kicked out of the club.

econquest · 2018-08-23T01:52:10+00:00

(Disclaimer: just a beginner, maybe you know better than me)

How is your third take away

"Escalate as soon as possible" when it got you thrown out for no reason. No don't put your fingers in some girl on the dance floor.

Kyson5 · 2018-08-19T09:49:58+00:00

A shame you got copped like this. For the record, grabbing the pussy isn't something you should be doing in the club on the dancefloor, have a tiny bit of class.. Do it on the way home in the taxi, or when you tell her "she has something in her hair" as you push her against the wall or a lampost.. You seem to have done everything else correctly though

qilimanjaro · 2018-08-19T08:40:29+00:00

Should have extracted her after you met her in a new venue

Llaguardia · 2018-08-19T09:49:40+00:00

Well you need a sexual assault security assistance

Helpcalculus · 2018-08-19T13:29:24+00:00

I think the right way to have played the situation was to not escalate as much,

Nope. It was just an unlucky situation. It's hard to calibrate that.

From my experience, it's right there and then, or never. Always Be Closing.

chazthundergut · 2018-08-19T17:10:45+00:00

This wasn't your fault. The chick was into you, you paced yourself according to what she demonstrated she was comfortable with, and she wanted to fuck you.

Her ex was being a jealous cunt and her sister/ friends were jealous and being her slut shields. Too bad women are not allowed to be horny in today's society.

Keep doing your thing man you are killing it.

Lateralanouncer · 2018-08-19T18:25:26+00:00

Ex boyfriend, your such a slut. Girl, it wasn’t my fault he put his hands there Her girl freind, after ready many articles on Facebook assumed u were a sexual predator as u wanted sex.

They all said oh my god you poor thing.

Then you became the target.

Pascolino · 2018-08-19T19:35:03+00:00

This is a very well written FR. I took away from it more than what you listed in your last section, so I'll type that here. Skillful use of the A&A, A&M, Pressure Flip, Ignoring her (I got to do that more - its a lot of fun), Teasing (like an asshole, good work sir) and the Actions not words stuff both going to and on the dancefloor, appear to have been excellently executed. I agree with the cast of thousands about immediately leaving the club with the HB once you hit third base (exceptions exist through the innovative use of bathrooms and other similar locations inside a club, of course).

Shit man you really went at her with the "your ex is better off single anyway" PF - takes guts to say that with a sincere shit eating grin on!

Also, fuck that guy. And his girlfriend. Who cares. We're all going to be dead in 100 years anyway.

MankindMF · 2018-08-19T21:48:18+00:00

know TRP advocates not drinking excessively as it's bad for gaming girls etc.

This wouldn't have happened if you weren't drunk. Keep hamstering.

ABitterPill2 · 2018-08-19T12:46:32+00:00

Once western civilization collapses and civil war begins, men who do or the bidding of the feminists will meet a horrifying end. I actually feel bad for them. They will be purged for doing nothing more than following their programming. They will be dragged through the streets and beaten senseless. Their bodies will fill mass graves from sea to shining sea.

I don't know if this will happen in 20 years or 200 years (probably closer to the latter), but it will happen. I don't know if it will be Western men who wake up, or imported foreign men who simply refuse to submit to women (probably the latter). I don't know what will take the place of the current system. All I know is that if something is unsustainable, it must end. Sooner or later.

whatsthisgarg · 2018-08-18T22:37:44+00:00

All in all I thought the night went pretty well

lol wut? The night went pretty well maybe because you didn't leave WITH the woman and end up with her passing out on you in the alley.

Rhymes with Schmock Schmurner. Try to be more careful in the future.

FR: My first experience with a white knight and getting accused of 'sexual assault'

Intro

The Bar

The Club

Conclusion

Main take-aways

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Title	FR: My first experience with a white knight and getting accused of 'sexual assault'
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