Frame as I understand it [Discussion]

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10points4gryffinddor · 2022-02-24T03:02:19+00:00

In my own understanding. Frame is an understanding of the true nature of reality.. a true nature of people around you.. and the nature of yourself.

Losing arguments to people or yielding to your boss does not necessarily mean that he has “imposed” his frame on you even though he’s logically wrong. It means his logic is off.. but the power dynamic dictates that you yield.. for the time being. Now this doesn’t always have to be this way.

You can work on yourself and try to increase the value you provide as a man so you can climb the ladder (a core principle of red-pill) and you would not have to put up with arguments with your “stupid” boss.

Work on yourself to become smarter.. Work on yourself to become stronger.. Work on your business to become more independent etc. etc.

The more you put in true work within yourself the more you probably would not have to put up with the normal shit you’re used to getting from people. When you move up in the hierarchy though you would have to put up with different kind of shit. Shit that you can justify to your ego.. because now you’re happy with your new social status.. if you’re still not happy you work harder until you get to a place where the new social status = worth the shit you go through. At that point you stop.

DullIntroduction · 2022-02-24T08:59:42+00:00

Frame defines the structure and the boundaries of the interaction. It is that simple.

Whisper talked about it : Many of you don't know what "Frame" is

The "Frame" we speak of when we say "frame control" is not the frame of you, it's the frame of the interaction.

The frame of an interaction is its structure and boundaries. What is being talked about. Who is talking. What the goal of the interaction is. What the context is. All of the aspects of the interaction that determine what is and isn't appropriate to do and say.

When you control the frame of an interaction, it means that you are interacting in such a way that you are able to steer it and decide what is "in bounds" and what is "out of bounds".

PiperBigBell · 2022-02-24T06:42:55+00:00

You are overcomplicating this. Frame is the strength of your reality. Frame is the same as congruence. Congruence is total alignment in your thoughts, words, actions, and emotions. Frame then, can be thought of as the authenticity of your reality.

If you are not aligned in your thoughts, words, actions, and emotions, you come across as fake or a liar. When you think of it like this, frame can further be distilled down to the refusal to be fake or inauthentic. The question is, how authentic is the reality you design for yourself? How strong is the foundation? How strong are the supports?

Chunga99 · 2022-02-24T18:55:08+00:00

Isn't "frame" just a shorthand way of saying "frame of reference"? Seems like the term as used in the PUA community and manosphere gets used, as in the phrase "to hold frame", as an admonition to maintain one's own frame of reference as opposed to caving in to accept that of another person.

For example, if I wanted to ask a girl out and lost my nerve, a PUA would say I "lost frame". Why? As I understand it, my frame of reference includes my ideas about myself and about the proper way for a man to behave, including whatever self-talk I mustered to get up the nerve to ask out the girl. By giving in to negative messages, you might say that I reverted to a former frame of reference that included a self-image of myself as a schnook and a loser. Or maybe I got picked on as a child and internalized a negative self-image that became part of my personal frame of reference about the world and myself in it.

I think a lot of what you might call "semantic drift" happens with terms like this when they get picked up and used as slang in specific contexts. Lots of slang terms get used by people who don't know the origin of the phrase or its original meaning. For example, who knows why the phrase "kick the bucket" means "to die"?

Words are funny.

RedPill115 · 2022-02-24T17:50:32+00:00

I'd search for "rollo tomassi red pill frame".

This is the most hilarious example of pure frame while he completely avoids someone trying to draw him into a dominance contest that I've ever seen (youtube clip).
https://therationalmale.com/2011/10/20/alpha/

oooKenshiooo · 2022-02-24T13:40:58+00:00

Frame is the structural integrity of your own, private reality. It governs our feelings and behvavior.

If you have strong frame, your internal reality remains un-impinged by outward factors.

If you are very powerful, you have the ability to project your private reality outwards and also govern other peoples emotions and behavior.

There_I_Go_9 · 2022-02-24T03:07:48+00:00

I have disagreements and agreements with your definition of frame. Having higher money, looks, or status doesn't mean you lose your frame to someone who has more. Having higher MLS just makes it easier to keep your frame. Why? Having more MLS entails that you're more of a goal oriented person.

When you are going for your own goals, you are within your frame. When the actions you do are congruent with someone else's, you've lost your frame and you're within theirs. Those who are within your frame are joining you to attain your goal, whether it be hiring a new employee to your business or a plate wanting to give you a bj. On the other hand, when you're caught up within someone else's frame, you are attempting to help someone else goal, like helping a chick find "the one".

Your frame's strength is only as strong as how important you perceive your goals to be over everyone else's.

PiperBigBell · 2022-02-24T07:27:58+00:00

A strong man is grounded, free in all his way, on his purpose, and congruent. Most importantly, a strong man does what HE wants to do, and what he says he's going to do.

Bountinyou · 2022-02-24T09:23:12+00:00

Ya but what if you don't give enough shit or think so petty whatever it is a woman is saying that you beleive they haven't even earned being put in their place?

Honestly how I feel with some shit. In my head I'm just like "bitch keep failing, you're not worthy of any energy other than the quickest way to shut you up".

extrastone · 2022-02-24T09:34:32+00:00

How does a guy ever get some rest?

It seems like rest has to be a no women allowed zone.

c4rdc0llector11 · 2022-02-24T18:48:36+00:00

i have a great example of frame that i watched on an old rerun of bar rescue. basically every episode is a great example of how fram should be used. the episode aired about 10 years ago from a tiki bar out of Fort Lauderdale, FL. the owner had a soft spot for all the female bartenders and employees. he basically let them run all over them. one blonde girl was late on a consistent basis, so were others as a result. in the early opening hours sometimes they'd get slammed at the bar for the very reason that some were late. whenever the late bartenders came, there was no discussion as to why they were late it was just, "ohhh sorry daddy, i'm late" then cuck owner, "ohh its ok sweety, time to work".

This horrendous frame or whatever you call it, allowed for a complete free for all of all the employees. in doing so the bar tanked, hence why they needed help from bar rescue. taffer urged the owner to fire the blonde lady who set the tone for why everyone was late and felt they could walk all over the owner. because of his lack of frame, the entire staff lost any respect for him, if there was ever any to begin with. they could basically walk all over him. he was forced to fire her, which you can tell he really didn't want to, but this was necessary to set the tone for the rest of the staff. he was setting frame for how things were going to go on from now on at the bar. no more free for all, they must adhere to standards everywhere. the second you break frame, or tweak the standards just because you like someone, is the moment you lose respect and things start to unravel.

long story short, the owner took no more shit, ran the bar the way it should have from the get go and the bar thrived as is how every episode of bar rescue goes, for the time being at least. Every episode should remind you of the importance of frame and how to handle your girls or else they will lose your respect and then it's off to the next dude to take her to pound town while you're still in your feelings for her.

Silver-Discipline550 · 2022-02-24T18:34:06+00:00

In my perspective, frame is when you stay loyal to your vision and yourself, knowing that's the best thing for you. Frame is when you are unmovable, especially in tempest waters, like a rock.

ausplaya10 · 2022-02-24T18:51:07+00:00

Just had a stupid shit test at the gym where a girl claimed that I was using her seat. Obviously was a shit test because I was receiving choosing signals for a week or two and she was smiling the whole time she was fucking with me...

My hard time I’m having is discerning between logical compliance and holding frame no matter what...

If I ‘won’ that shit test, I’d look like an asshole for not giving up my seat. Since I gave my seat up I’m a spineless pussy in the eyes of the woman...

I cannot go my whole life assuming people are lying when they say they were using something just to ‘maintain frame’... so that’s why I ‘lost’ this shit test...

I digress... my frame was not ‘I’m an alpha male boss who works out wherever he wants whenever he wants...’ I could get my ass kicked in the right scenario for that assumption..

My frame was ‘I’m a nice guy who’ll let someone use their spot while I workout because I don’t own this gym...’

Logically,I cannot prove this wasn’t being used before I came to this spot in the gym Emotionally, I was confused but excited to practice a shit test Power wise, because I cannot prove this is a shit test all at the same time and the request is logically sound, I have to follow with a formal response based on the unspoken rules of my environment to maintain ‘peace’ and avoid unnecessary ‘disharmony’

Pussy? Not pussy? Beta? Alpha? Alpha but blue pulled? Redpill aware but beta? Idfk... EAT MY ASS

TL;DR: I agree that frame is all the components of Emotion, Logic and Power, but to what degree is this sustainable or helpful?

Logical_Finding_3908 · 2022-02-24T06:04:57+00:00

not paying for parking even though she offers to pay, instead walking farther off principle

wearing shades inside?

_thechinaman_ · 2022-02-24T11:11:10+00:00

I heard recently very simply that Frame is the thought before a thought. Or more complicatedly, Frame is the assumption/belief upon which an activity is performed. Women want to see how steadfast your beliefs are.

amp350 · 2022-02-24T12:37:33+00:00

At the core of it all, frame, stoicism should be practiced. Be in touch with your emotions, and they will not overtake you. Emotional reactions are a loss of frame, when was the last time your emotions made a good decision?

It’s hard to understand your position on frame when you repeat the “I am above this woman” idea but your narrative reads like a guide to be a beta provider.

I’m really sick of having to sift through metaphors. This sub blows now.

31ar · 2022-02-25T02:23:02+00:00

Frame has 3 components. Logical, emotional, and power.

This is good! Most of us lose frame on the emotional part - - and it's no surprise that's where women know they have to hit us, since they are low on the (physical) 'power' part.

The emotional part is also where people pleasers & doormats lose frame.

Boosted_Arrow · 2022-02-25T10:11:26+00:00

I cannot really offer anything good here, since I struggle extremely with Frame.

But after seeing you combatting all those defininitions, I agree that the RP needs a better (and universal) definition and definitively some practical advice.

I completely have no Frame and have no idea how to build it. TRP needs some advice for guys like us.

jimminicricket69 · 2022-02-25T14:05:14+00:00

Agreed with other comments here - Rollo is your go to guy for simplifying frame. Covered in the sidebar.

Title	Frame as I understand it [Discussion]
Author	Da_SnowLeopard
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Date	February 24, 2022 2:43 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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