Getting ripped and drinking

FemtoG · 2014-11-21T01:07:27+00:00

Yeah I really don't see the big deal taht people make of drinking and lifting. It's MOSTLY just people who don't even have great gains in the first place who are paranoid about it imo.

The WORST thing about drinking a lot affecting gains is taht the day after your body will feel like shit an dyou can't lift, along with drunk munchies.

But are you really getting plast ered every week?

People really make it a much bigger deal than it should be.

DolorousRedd · 2014-11-21T09:43:49+00:00

Give me drunk and 14% over sober and 8% every day of the week.

Can't see a six pack in public.

oldmanwho · 2014-11-21T11:20:53+00:00

tl;dr: alcohol is fat.

alcohol is metabolized to lactic acid and then built into triglycerides and then into free fatty acids and then into LDL-A and then from this transport vessicle into fat. principally stored in the liver where it is generated, as well as being shunted into visceral fat and the greater+lesser omentum.

all hydrophobic or carbon based poisons are metabolized first to fatty acid precursors. in other words, they are stored before they are burned, in stark contrast to glucose or galactose, which, as they are the basis for all evolved biochemical machinery, can be utilized directly and body wide (as opposed to being eaten principally only by the liver).

there is nothing else. alcohol is a 2-carbon, which must become a 3-carbon 'use later' before it can be eaten (glycerol end point). fructose is a 6-carbon, of which 1/2 can be used now (3-carbon glyceraldehyde end point) and 1/2 must become the same 'use later' (3-carbon glycerol end point). glucose is a 6-carbon, of which 1/2 can be used now -and- 1/2 can be used now (2x 3-carbone glyceraldehyde end point). this is simple biochemistry.

can any cell in the body use it? then it can be used now. can only the liver eat it (practically, we're talking in-vivo here)? then it must be converted to fat by the liver. the worst kind of fat. better to eat lard than drink.

sorry, no hamsters allowed here. stop fucking drinking or make sure you go at least 8-hrs without food, forcing a glucose energy deficit, forcing fat shuttling to go in reverse, forcing that alcohol-fat to be turned into use now fuel and burned off.

juanqunt · 2014-11-21T09:33:42+00:00

I was gonna link to that before I even entered the thread. Been following this for years now.

I'll also add that you should also eat some spinach or bananas to replenish your potassium. You can also add in alpha-lipoic acid and activated charcoal to further reduce damages and hangover symptoms.

TheRealMouseRat · 2014-11-21T11:12:39+00:00

So dinner consisting of steak and oven baked tomatoes. Then drink scotch all night.

DeaD_bAU5 · 2014-11-20T23:09:55+00:00

Right but I am the captain of a drinking team, so what do?

pick-a-spot · 2014-11-21T20:40:00+00:00

Fantastic article. That's a lot to get your head round.

From personal experience-------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm 28, been hitting the gym for 10 years. I was getting back into it...again..after some time off. Muscle memory often kicks in and I'm back to 95% in no time. So I trained the way I always train and ate what I eat when I'm gyming.

But this time I was actually getting slightly weaker. I was confused and start thinking that I'm getting old or something.

Eventually I realised what I did different. I started to drink a small glass of red wine every night...after my workout. Now I'v got pissed many times before on the same day I trained but this was different. It was the new routine of having a beverage to reward myself....every single time.

Now I only drink on rest days and that's only when I go out, out, once a week. And as I'v been carb cycling, the rest day is one which I eat very slow carbs, and not anything with a high glycemic index. Just meat, milk, legumes etc. I choose red wine due to the lower glycemic index, the last thing I need is an insulin hit on the day my diet is borderline keto.

One thing I would be wary of that's been mentioned her is fasting before hand/ intermittent fasting before drinking. Omg, alcohol hits you like a tonne of bricks. 2 glasses of red and I was smashed with a partial hang over the next day.

I still lost fat steadily by doing this though .

A friend sent me the text of an article (I don't know the source) that made me dial back alcohol further to just that one day a week, and not to get too pissed. This is it, It's interesting and offers other factors;

Alcohol can negatively impact protein synthesis in a few ways. First, by disrupting your sleep. Alcohol increases deep sleep and decreases REM; REM sleep is where testosterone peaks, so it’s pretty darn important for optimal muscle protein synthesis. A lot of people self-medicate with alcohol to go to sleep because it makes falling asleep easier. And that’s the thing with alcohol and sleep: even if it feels like you’re sleeping okay after a few, because, hey, you fell asleep in like five minutes, you’re probably still not sleeping as well as you could. It’s sneaky.

Second, alcohol is potentially really bad for the gut. Ethanol directly increases permeability in epithelial cells, for one. And you know how our livers metabolize alcohol into the far more toxic acetaldehyde before breaking down and excreting it completely? Gut bacteriathemselves metabolize alcohol into acetaldehyde, which can also cause tight junctions to grow more leaky. If your gut’s leaky, you’re not absorbing all the nutrients you eat – nutrients you need to turn into muscle and support your training and recovery.

Third, alcohol is incredibly dehydrating. Some researchers even attribute the lion’s share of the hangover to extreme dehydration. The worst part of alcohol-induced dehydration is that you’re not just robbing yourself of water. You’re also peeing out tons of electrolytes and other minerals like magnesium, sodium, and potassium that play huge roles in maintaining the hormonal environment necessary for muscle protein synthesis.

Fourth, alcohol taken post workout can directly impair muscle protein synthesis, reducing the rate by almost 40%. That was binge drinking, or a stiff drink taken every thirty minutes. Drinking on a rest day could be less inhibitory than drinking immediately after a workout, but the recovery period continues on throughout the rest day and the potential for impairment exists.

All that said, two to three total drinks spread out through the week on rest days is probably fine. Two to three drinks every rest day might not be a good idea.

Still, you’re a competitive athlete. You might try a month of no alcohol whatsoever – not even on rest days – to see if your performance improves. I suspect it might offer a leg up on the competition. It’s certainly worth a shot. Consider it a personal challenge from me to you, Rocky. Let me know how it goes if you decide to do it.

RedPillSafe · 2014-11-21T14:33:08+00:00

My understanding is that the liver must process the alcohol and while doing that it can't do most of the things it normally does.

So you are effectively creating a "non-recovery period".

Which means that while you drink alcohol and are trying to be in good shape your recovery time gets delayed a day. If you drink every day then you are pushing recovery back further and further.

At most I'd say drink alcohol once a week if you like to have fun (who doesn't?) but I wouldn't delude yourself to think it's going to improve your health.

However... "all work and no play makes Johnny a dull boy"... so unless you are training for something specific you have to question the meaning of your life anyway.

Thursday088 · 2014-11-21T02:30:49+00:00

This is a good read. I have been reading his stuff and following his IF/RPT protocol for a few years.

TekkomanKingz · 2014-11-21T04:15:16+00:00

The problem with alcohol is it disrupts insulin sensitivity (which leads to weight gain) and worse of all it harms the liver which controls pretty much everything related to body building.

Strengthen your liver and as the OP said try and limit the sugary mixes with the alcohol. For me personally those always worsen the hangover more so than the alcohol alone because it causes a glucose roller coaster which can also disrupt sleep (again, more so than the alcohol in and of itself, but combined with it, it's an inflammation disaster).

dandeezy · 2014-11-21T08:08:00+00:00

wish it was legal to see what weed does to muscle. I smoke then lift.

2014-11-21T21:55:26+00:00

Unless you are at competition/pro/am-pro level, drinking is going to be completely negligible as long as you aren't an alcoholic.

rpscrote · 2014-11-21T06:43:10+00:00

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