Hard Lesson Learned Tonight

dub121686 · 2013-09-26T08:07:58+00:00

Don't talk about fight club

DaddyMonster · 2013-09-26T10:31:32+00:00

Don't talk about red pill with a woman who seems secure enough to talk about it. You will lose and look like an asshole.

You're doing it wrong and your frame is wrong. First off, hold off discussing with chicks and complete blue pills until you're certain you've pegged the basics and more. Even after that, you only "discuss" with those who are receptive, or who you want to piss off. Only do it if you stand to gain from it.

Has anyone else met someone and you were trying to justify red pill? Where did I go wrong other than everywhere. I actually feel like shit right now. That's how bad it went.

Second, you do not try to justify TRP to others. You make no excuses. You do do not defend. You have your views and experiences and that's that.

I was not interested in this woman, just trying to find similarities between TRP and her past relationships (she actually started the conversation).

Third, if you really want to discuss TRP and try to affect others, start with a drip feed. And you must have frame. It shouldn't really be a discussion; it should be a lecture. Be smart about it.

It quickly devolved into feminism and equal pay, etc. and I was an instant asshole.

Fourth, you do not care about being an asshole to others if you have swallowed TRP properly. In fact, be the asshole whenever you feel it. Embrace it. Their opinions are meaningless.

Fifth, TRP isn't about saving people or changing the world. It's about having a realistic, workable view of reality and sexual strategy.

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monsieurhire2 · 2013-09-26T08:02:24+00:00

Never try to convince anyone of anything. Especially a politically unpopular viewpoint. Just be content with your knowledge, and try to apply it.

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no_game_player · 2013-09-26T07:02:17+00:00

I know the feeling. What you need to do is have frame it in a way that they qualify themselves to you. For example I usually frame it in a way about femininity. I say, I love girls who are feminine and likes a man to take charge. (You have to being willing to take charge if you say this) I then state it's very unattractive to me when a girl tries to be the man in a relationship. I bring this up, to a lot of girls who say their strong and independent. For some reason they think that's attractive. This causes them to rethink that whole phasing.

They usually end up agreeing with me about liking assertive guys and reassure me there are indeed a girly girl. If they don't, I know they're more of a headache than its worth.

throwaway-o · 2013-09-26T07:07:52+00:00

By trying to justify your beliefs, you came across as supplicative and antagonistic. Now you know why you failed. Bad move. Truth is important, which is why you must look for people who accept truth, rather than try to ram truth down unwilling people's throats.

alt30313 · 2013-09-26T09:08:26+00:00

The 1st RULE of Fight Club: You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB.

Do not tell women your theories on relationships. If you don't cave to her views and stand your ground she may tell all your mutual friends how you game women and make stuff. She'll likely rationalize you deserve it and her/your friends need to be warned.

nSaneMadness · 2013-09-26T10:32:10+00:00

The greatest harm can result from the best intentions.

no_game_player · 2013-09-26T17:35:48+00:00

don't talk about the red pill; only act accordingly. we live in a world where people are offended by the mere statement of fact or statistic. the only chance you have to convince the average politically correct person of red pill theory is to use emotional appeals because a lot of people never develop critical thinking skills, or they can't separate their empirical logic from their emotional logic and their own ego's needs.

sometimes i want to try and save people from the usual "blue pill" pitfalls, but it rarely takes. they experience a violent emotional rejection of empirical evidence because it denies their dearly cherished optimistic worldview. it's exactly like trying to convince a devout religious person that gods, spirits, and magic aren't real. you become their philosophy's boogeyman, whatever it may be. if you try to convince a devout christian that the supernatural isn't real, they write you off as an agent of Satan because their religion tells them that the devil's agents will always try to deny god's existence in order to acquire more influence for the fallen one. if you try to convince a feminist of red pill theories on hetero intimate relationships, they will write you off as a career misogynist or an agent of the patriarchy who must have an ulterior motive to keep women down. sometimes you have to let people discover consequences for themselves if they don't want to heed rational analysis.

FortunateBum · 2013-09-27T00:38:10+00:00

I need more information. How about describing the conversation a little? I'm genuinely curious.

For most women (and men) you can't lay the whole thing on them. You can only give a little taste. The POV of the Red Pill is so radically different from their frame that it would be like trying to discuss quantum physics with someone who thinks the world is made up of four elements.

pialox · 2013-09-27T00:59:04+00:00

If you are strong with your TRP theory or strong with any subject for that matter and say it with conviction and strength you can get away with saying anything.

This in itself is a trait of an Alpha male and an area that you should perhaps look at working on. You are fairly new to this as you said and it will come in time.

I talk to all my girls about TRP stuff and never once have I been called a pig or a misogynist. The benefits of laying down some TRP truth on them is that they know their shit won't work on you and that you see through the crap.

In doing so it has huge benefits. One plate I'm spinning at the moment was a lesbian for 5 years before she meet me, very independent and had shitty examples of males in her life before she decided to chew carpet. I've dropped plenty of TRP theory on her and my ideas of what constitutes a good woman and a good man. As a result she has aligned herself into a very submissive frame without me even talking about subjects of dominate male/submissive female.

[deleted] · 2013-09-27T07:39:17+00:00

I've had one woman bring PUA/RP terminology up randomly in the middle of a first date. I decided to have fun by acting oblivious to all of it and asking her to explain it to me. Her attempt was pretty amusing.

Pushnikov · 2013-09-27T16:45:34+00:00

You'll find plenty of women agree with basic principles.

What you're issue is that you want to lead the horse to water and see if it drinks, you don't want to force them to drink. You don't want to prove it, you just need to lead them down the rabbit hole.

This has NOTHING to do with red pill theory. This has to do with generally dealing with people who don't agree with you on something.

PerniciousOne · 2013-09-26T15:43:03+00:00

The red pill teaches you about what you can do to improve yourself, and how to frame yourself that you have a high SMV. She needs to qualify herself to you.

Talking to the fish about strategies of fishing is pretty pointless.

[deleted] · 2013-09-30T17:45:49+00:00

Why justify it? If you feel you have to justify yourself then you're doing it wrong.

Rhodos · 2013-09-27T04:38:32+00:00

Explaining red pill stuff to a normal woman is like forcing her to have open brain surgery without anesthesia. You are bound to approach subjects related to her rawest and often unconscious instincts, dark areas both men and women do not willingly share. You're feeling like an asshole because she instinctively defended herself. It's akin to having a therapy session with an accusatory shrink.

EtovNowd · 2013-09-26T21:34:25+00:00

Don't talk about red pill with a woman who seems secure enough to talk about it. You will lose and look like an asshole.

Any opposition to females will make you look like an asshole. It's your disregard for their opinions that matters, and makes them realize their opinions of you are valueless.

I tried to prove the theory based on the relationship stories a nice lady was telling over drinks.

Never talk logic to women. It's your fault for not keeping up passionate, exciting, lustful convo topics.

Protip: Don't talk politics or religion with people... or anything logical with women.

Has anyone else met someone and you were trying to justify red pill?

Yes, other males who were redpillers who understood the philosophy.

Where did I go wrong other than everywhere. I actually feel like shit right now. That's how bad it went.

Two places: One, you let yourself feel like shit simply because a conversation/date didn't have the outcome you wanted. You're outcome independent, and your self-esteem should be so high that no opinion by anyone else should influence you in any way. Second, you brought up logical conversation with a woman. Don't.

I was not interested in this woman, just trying to find similarities between TRP and her past relationships (she actually started the conversation).

Then tell her the common denominator in all her failed relationships is her. How she takes that information is up to her.

We all have to accept responsibility for our actions, you have for yours and she should for hers.

It quickly devolved into feminism and equal pay, etc. and I was an instant asshole.

Tell her "equal pay" demands "equal dangers" and tell her that more women should become police officers, soldiers, high-rise builders, construction workers, dangerous positions.... etc and shouldn't have priority for easy jobs like hostessing, waitressing, secretary work, etc. Until then, no deal. End of conversation.

If she still sees you as an asshole, and makes a comment, say that's cool.

Title	Hard Lesson Learned Tonight
Author	thejamabides
Upvotes	7
Comments	39
Date	September 26, 2013 7:01 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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