I got punked.

Thotwrecker · 2017-01-27T08:23:12+00:00

You're not going to like the answer, but there's certain situations where your optimal route will lose you some primal attraction from your girl.

Yes, her pussy would have gotten wet if you'd gone outside, whipped their asses, then gone back in. But A) that's not doable, they'd probably gang up on you and fuck up your shit real quick, and B) you'd end the night in jail. You don't gotta be black to catch phony charge and/or bullet from some hometown buttbuddy cops.

So you have to do what's logical and trust that you take the hit to your manly pride and her pussy moisture levels.

It doesn't fucking matter, you can get that back. I'm not going to lie and tell you that no part of her might think you acted like a punk. I'm going to tell you it doesn't matter, and if you don't give a shit what she thinks, then you'll be fine, you'll regain it.

The problem was you didn't deal with the initial bitch right. Your vocal tone must have been soft, she didn't take you seriously, she didn't understand no from you. Because you were unsure of what to do in that situation and yes, you tried to pick the alpha option, but she could feel it wasn't rooted in any real force. There's a couple ways you could have handled that - either tell her firmly no these are my friends chairs, here let me take these off your hands. Or you could have from the get go been chill and messed with her. "Go buy me a drink and you can have them, etc". Because one alpha approach is to not give a shit - they are chairs, you're at a bar to have fun, have fun with her and don't get all immediately hostile.

I have dealt with a shit ton of line-cutting type behavior from hot chicks so I get this kind of thing a lot. Especially at concerts, these late hoes think they can squeeze the seats you waited hours for. If there hot, I'll put my arm around them and just say "hey Christine right, whats up, you're apparently part of our group, so we might as well catch up." Act like were old friends and it's 50/50 if they fuck back off or play along for a bit. Or if they are ugly or more annoying than hot, I just say you can cut the dude behind me that's his problem but not me, and I'll stand in front and block their view. Or I'll try to take their drink if they want to stay. Generally I keep it fun, but the trick is if you have to put her in her place, you have to project your voice through her like Daddy did when she acted up.

Just pierce her, pretend you're speaking to her 10 yards away.

The problem was that after you couldn't assert authority over a chick, no man, even a beta, can let you assert any type of authority over them. Don't argue with the dudes, nothing you say no matter how right it is will let their pride not fight back. They can't look like a bitch now, they are in too deep.

That's why I'd not argue with the other guys. Either take the chairs back with a smirk and tell her nice try (and don't even recognize whatever the peanut gallery says) or go get a nearby chair - because at that point, you should have recognized there's no point to arguing with her whole group. "You know what, take the chairs, that's my gift to you for your service, you guys sure got it rough. Long hours, hope their at least paying you well. You guys enjoy your night." Deliver it with pity, with that face you make when you're taking a shit, like you feel so bad about their overall lives. Stress the word 'service.'

As for your girl, you have to realize that she doesn't care about the situation, she cares about how you react to the situation. If you are ducked down feeling embarassed like a bitch muttering about how they are assholes, then yeah, she'll be like "wow my guy just got put in his place." You can't show that it bothered you, you can't show that your night was impacted.

DetectiveDing-Daaahh · 2017-01-27T12:59:28+00:00

Good move not further escalating. Cops tend to be some of the biggest white knights out there. Take comfort in the fact that their work uniforms aren't the only thing 'blue' about them.

Eastuss · 2017-01-27T09:06:21+00:00

Basic bully shit test that you failed.

Next time, you smile and tell that person that what she's doing is weird/wrong/stupid in a polite maner, then quickly ignore her because you cant loose your time talking with stupid.

Being pissed or angry is failing.

bobjoe177 · 2017-01-27T13:38:25+00:00

buddy of mine had this happen a couple of years ago, he was a well trained mma fighter. He cold cocked the cop on the spot, busted the guys nose, out cold. Probably felt awsome for 15 seconds or so. The cop proceeded to follow him around harrassing him pulling him out of his car, got him fired from his job, showing up outside his house, etc for months afterwards. He had to get a job in the next town over- it was fucked. Completely not worth it.

BlasphemousAgenda · 2017-01-27T08:02:26+00:00

You punked yourself with "I'm just trying to be an adult here" that makes you sound like you need to justify yourself. It's also insulting because you're insinuating that you're an adult and she isn't. Never insult a women in the presence of her men. The sharks smelled the blood in the water. Their isn't much you can do to regain your status after such an error.

If you really wanted those chairs you could have said "excuse me" to the women as she is taking them, get close to her so only she can hear you, and reaffirm that the chairs are taken. Then shift her focus to any open chairs nearby. Isolating people is key for conflict resolution. Everyone is more of an asshole in a mob. Cut her off from her mob and your chances of winning go up exponentially.

Yourstruly777 · 2017-01-27T11:14:14+00:00

Psycho girls with strong backing will make it a game to bully guys in bars/nightclubs. Can be anything: dance floor, cutting in line, commenting,...

Bullying is socially accepted in that environment so it will always be a risk when you are there.

How would you have reacted if some huge guy grabbed the chairs? Or some tiny dude that wont give it back?

If you escalate with a tiny dude you look like an idiot, if you escalate with a gorilla you get your ass kicked. It is a no win situation.

Some guy described it best; state that the chairs are yours then ignore the rest. If the other person isn't an idiot they will give them back.

This bullying comes with the territory, its the jungle and you should recognize it as such. You are above it and cant be phased by it. Need to let it slide and stay cool.

Unless of course your best bet to get laid is to win a brawl.

SovereignSoul76 · 2017-01-27T13:01:14+00:00

Shuffle your feet, lose your seat. Tell your mates to go get some more. Ain't no thing.

draculux · 2017-01-27T16:17:36+00:00

Tried to call her out on it

That's the initial point where you fucked up, 'twas all downhill from there. Unless you do it in a teasing or otherwise emotionally spiking way, calling a woman out on her bullshit is about as useful as throwing a cup of water on a grease fire.

it definitely has me feeling like i need to up my gym time, go back to jiu jitsu

Leans into mic WRONG! Jesus Christ, the pervasive advice of "lift bro, be big bro" that comes from this sub is irritating sometimes. Lifting isn't always the answer. In fact, it hardly ever is - and this is coming from someone that lifts heavy and does BJJ/MMA as well. Game > size, every time. Size is a multiplier of game, to be sure, but if you're jacked and a social retard, things don't usually go your way. (/rant, bring the downvotes)

You noted yourself that you do BJJ/lift, yet still would have lost the fight. Take a step back (this sub needs to as well) and notice that game/"social dynamics" would have saved you in this situation, and most others. Learn how to diffuse AMOG situations.

First, use the acuity and awareness that BJJ gives you, and always have a mental map of the people/social scene around you. She walked over from a group of cop/big looking guys? Probably shouldn't directly provoke her as provoking her is provoking that pack. When she took the chair anyways, instead of being negatively reactive, simply laugh from your belly as if her actions thoroughly entertained you, off-handedly remark "rude," then go back to doing what you were doing - as anything else is either a waste of your time or a needless escalation. You're always above the drama, and you're not an etiquette teacher to be telling girls how to behave.

I'm just trying to be an adult here

You fucked yourself here as well. Don't qualify yourself, ever. In fact, don't even say the word "just" to describe your actions. "I just want to use the bathroom," "I just need a break." It's a bitch-made word.

8251771528 · 2017-01-27T09:41:52+00:00

im not sold on the "i said there are plenty of chairs all around and then all hell broke loose" there is more. either she bitched at you and you bitched back, or you said it in a mocking way or whatever.

what you shouldve done is not care about silly chairs in the first place. they were not your chairs. they were not important, not for your group, the least for yourself. they fucked with you, because they knew you had no standing ground. you not gonna take the chairs home with you arnt you. you plain and simple acted up.

"we can go be adults outside" from here on i only see 2 ways out. either make fun of him like "you are not my type/buy me dinner first" escalation, or de-escalation like "had a good day eh/my boss already fucked me today, thanks" he already knows he can kick your ass. escalating can lead to laughter, de-escalation can lead to self-reflecting and pitty without outright saying you wont fight.

seriously thou, why making a fuss out of chairs? and why you? try to be more fun. there are about 2000 better ways than bitching at this girl for stupid chairs.

ImSecretlyATurtle · 2017-01-27T10:53:37+00:00

Honestly that's life. Sometimes you will take an L. Was there a possible way to avoid/succeed in that situation? Yes. But it didn't happen. Try to learn from it and not let it happen again. But fuck it, who cares.

As for your girl. Depends on how packed the bar is. Helps if there's other shit to do besides sit at the table across from these people that punked you.

The_BitterTruth · 2017-01-27T08:18:54+00:00

This belongs in asktrp. Not the main thread.

Aeronautix · 2017-01-27T07:39:47+00:00

How often does a brawl with police whilst they are off duty end up with the civilian being arrested or harassed afterwards?

_rasalghul · 2017-01-27T07:24:42+00:00

I know it is not the best answer, but I would have ordered drinks to whole group just to show that I am above them in pecking order. Those cops are poorly educated.Fight is not the option for me.

Fat_Fucking_Lenny · 2017-01-27T11:37:27+00:00

It's tough to say because I wasn't there. I think the best route would be to walk over and take your chairs back IMMEDIATELY if she had ignored your response.

If anyone says shit, just ignore them in a way that shows that you don't have time for their (the girl and guys) bullshit. Let them escalate if they want to. Odds are, they're not going to go apeshit over something stupid their girl did.

Feel free to critique my advice.

Edit: maintain a serious face throughout. Do not smile, smirk, or have any other facial expression that displays weakness. You're just being who you are.

KillaGrillz · 2017-01-27T13:10:16+00:00

Honestly? I probably would have said something stupid like you did.

The difference is I probably would have said enough mean/provoking things that they wouldn't have tried to threaten me after that point. They would have left me the hell alone or set me up later that night.

Pride hurts kid, if you don't want to wind up dead or in jail, don't have it.

TheWaterTemple · 2017-01-27T17:53:34+00:00

"You know, usually I don't just give away the chairs I'm using, but this time I'll make an exception."

Then just go get other chairs.

my_cock_in_barack · 2017-01-27T18:04:13+00:00

first, relax. This doesnt define the rest of your life. Just let it go and dont dwell on it. If this really affected your girl like you said, then she's not worth it. I'm sure she had your back.

epubliusrex · 2017-01-27T18:34:20+00:00

Best solution?

Find a more upscale environment. Cops won't fuck with people who have money. In those places they'll be polite--and so will the rest of the clientele.

TyrannyVengeance · 2017-01-27T21:08:47+00:00

Another shit post personal advice question.

lvl99jacked · 2017-01-27T07:54:04+00:00

Sounds like you got dubbed white knight status for your two male friends in front of your girl.

You took the bait. Now you might as well be on the path of being a purple pill SJW for "I'm just trying to be an adult here." The only logic I see is that you need to up your lifting game because your girl might now see you as a beta in her eyes. Game over.

I would of told my friends to get new seats, and if they gave me lip, I'd tell them that group over there wants to hear why they're so butt hurt.

dat_mean_no_work · 2017-01-27T12:43:50+00:00

You should have directed your attention to the males in the other group:

"Excuse me guys, can we hold onto these chairs for my friends? There are other chairs available (point) there and there."

Ignore the bitch that took the chairs. Take away what she was craving. My bet the other guys would probably told her to leave those chairs and take from somewhere else.

NeoreactionSafe · 2017-01-27T16:32:41+00:00

Classic Shit Test.

Sounds like you looked too beta to be taken seriously and they just walked all over you.

Your response:

"I'm a virtue signaling beta male who believes in gender equality and that the male adult is supposed to always bend over backwards for others. I was very gracious as they butt fucked me publically and held myself back from crying."

Answer

Destroy the sense of calm acceptance.

Make a stink to some degree. Basically throw the ball back into their court with a tone of voice that says you disapprove. If they escalate with a hostile tone then you need to decide how much you want to fight for some stupid chairs.

The point is you must speak up.

If you are forced to back down at least you forced them to take you seriously.

You need to be willing to go toe-to-toe psychologicaly before physically.

In a perfect world they back down and even apologize. (doubtful here)

Title	I got punked.
Author	Aeronautix
Upvotes	47
Comments	55
Date	January 27, 2017 7:10 AM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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