I'll Just Leave This Here

protips4ya · 2013-04-30T19:33:52+00:00

Unflattering honesty is the only honesty worth listening to. http://www.reddit.com/r/AskWomen/comments/1debn5/ladies_of_reddit_what_tastes_in_men_do_you_have/...

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If they do it by being fucking sociopaths, they're obviously not dating material over the long term. Duh. Many men are happy knowing that their girlfriends and wives don't consider them sociopaths, and I'm going to be okay with that too. Given the effect of love goggles, my future wife is going to find me more attractive than pretty much anybody, just like many of my girlfriends did. Remember, a good pair of love goggles trumps being a machiavellian prick unless a) the prick looks way the fuck better than you or b) you and the wife aren't getting along at all.

He's playing the long term game, ie his dating strategy focuses on relationships instead of hookups. Relationships require more effort but are far more rewarding. If you really get more out of random hookups, wow. I don't even know what to say at that point.

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You can't take the weird actions of one woman, and assume it's a common thing. I saw this posted on /r/theredpill a few days ago, with the headline "Can I get a NAWALT?" I think this is a case of "one woman did that". I can guarantee you that the vast majority of women do not write alleged killer's names on their abdomen surrounded by hearts and arrows. This is nothing more than an excuse for guys to say "See, women are crazy."

In regards to the blogger, his name is Roosh V. I don't know if that's his real name or a blogging name. And my complaint isn't with his personality, it's with the advice he gives other men. His entire message is to use women for sex, absolutely nothing more. And in one post, he talks about how he cares about his sister and when she gets older, he will teach her the tricks so guys don't use them on her. It's nice that he looks out for his family, but maybe he should remember that all women are daughters/sisters/mothers.

[–]RedSunBlue2 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Nice reframing of the argument. A for effort, F for execution. Your original argument:

For one thing, the "Not all women are like that" argument actually goes pretty far. We are individuals who have different personalities, different interests, different traits that we find attractive in the opposite sex (or the same sex, not all women are straight).

If you bothered to read the link I posted -- I'm guessing you didn't -- there is a refutation of your insistance of the validity of the NAWALT defense. In short, of course not all women are like that, but enough are.

From the linked thread, for your convenience:

“Not All Women Are Like That!” (NAWALT)

The argument: You can’t generalize people, they are all different. People are a product of their genetics and their upbringing. No two people have the same DNA or upbringing; therefore there cannot be commonalities between them.

The truth: Of course not all people are identical. Of course not all women are like that. But enough are to form a pattern worth discussing. When discussing the difference between men and women it’s safe to say women are smaller than men. This generalization is accepted, because it’s true most of the time. The generalizations we discuss here are similar; true most of the time.

On to what you just wrote:

You can't take the weird actions of one woman, and assume it's a common thing. I saw this[1] posted on /r/theredpill[2] a few days ago, with the headline "Can I get a NAWALT?" I think this is a case of "one woman did that". I can guarantee you that the vast majority of women do not write alleged killer's names on their abdomen surrounded by hearts and arrows. This is nothing more than an excuse for guys to say "See, women are crazy."

Reading comprehension: F

You are mistaking the symptom for the cause. The post in question does not -- nor does it try to -- demonstrate that the vast majority of women write serial killers' names on their crotches. It demonstrates an aspect of female mating strategy that has been discussed elsewhere in this very thread. I will not repeat it here.

In regards to the blogger, his name is Roosh V. I don't know if that's his real name or a blogging name. And my complaint isn't with his personality, it's with the advice he gives other men. His entire message is to use women for sex, absolutely nothing more.

Reading comprehension: You don't read, you just see what you want to see.

His main complaints are with Western women and advises that Western women be used for sex and nothing more. He constantly praises the superiority of women from countries where femininity is still valued.

I do not eagerly await your response.

[–]The_Mermaid0 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I did read the comments for the "Writing on the Crotch" photo. Here are some:

We all know that women seek status through high status men. Fame is a form of status. Pretty straightforward. All that aside, women often also lust after violent criminals, serial killers and the like.

If he wasn't famous his cute face wouldn't be plastered all over the media for women to swoon over.

Someone trying to explain why he thinks women like him (This one is actually well thought out, makes some good points, but not entirely accurate)

A very small percentage of women become groupies for mass murderers. Are there a other women who have secret fantasies about a killer? Yes, I don't know what percentage though.

In regards to Roosh, I know that he praises non-Western women. He only respects women if they behave in a way that he finds acceptable. There's nothing inherently wrong, or unethical, about Western women, they just don't meet his standard of femininity and gender roles.

[–]RedSunBlue3 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

A very small percentage of women become groupies for mass murderers. Are there a other women who have secret fantasies about a killer? Yes, I don't know what percentage though.

Reading comprehension: F-

You're still mistaking the symptom for the cause.

Now on to why this will be my last response to you.

You say:

His entire message is to use women for sex, absolutely nothing more.

I say:

His main complaints are with Western women and advises that Western women be used for sex and nothing more. He constantly praises the superiority of women from countries where femininity is still valued.

Then you admit you were being fallacious:

In regards to Roosh, I know that he praises non-Western women. He only respects women if they behave in a way that he finds acceptable.

Then you try to justify it by saying:

He only respects women if they behave in a way that he finds acceptable.

Let me ask you, how does that makes you any different from him? Do you respect men whose behavior you find unacceptable? If you do, what's your problem with bad boys?

In otherwords, you knowingly misrepresented Roosh's stance on women to justify your original assessment of him.

But the one that really irritates me is the "Return of Kings" one. I've read about that guy before, and I've read some posts on his blog. He sounds like a gigantic asshole. He takes the "uncaring" thing to the extreme. I could see him being the type that if he were seeing a girl, and her entire family was killed in a car accident, he would decide she's no longer fun and he would leave. He clearly has issues.

This smells of begging the question to me.

There's nothing inherently wrong, or unethical, about Western women

No argument here, because we are not here to discuss wrong and right. We are discussing what is better for men. Keep that in mind whenever you put finger to keyboard around these parts.

they just don't meet his standard of femininity and gender roles.

And that of many other men.

Lady, it's been fun, but I don't think I can continue doing this if you keep leading with your conclusions. For your future reference, here's how discussion here works:

You present evidence and/or reasoning.
You present your stance.
I agree or disagree with your stance using evidence and/or reasoning of my own.

[–]The_Mermaid1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Reading comprehension: F- You're still mistaking the symptom for the cause.

Maybe I'm missing something. Then please explain the cause. I am curious to understand the cause.

Let me ask you, how does that makes you any different from him? Do you respect men whose behavior you find unacceptable? If you do, what's your problem with bad boys?

I respect everyone that lives their life in a way that doesn't harm or exploit others. Those are the only behaviors I consider "unacceptable." Some other behaviors might be unpleasant, but not worthy of disrespect.

No argument here, because we are not here to discuss wrong and right. We are discussing what is better for men. Keep that in mind whenever you put finger to keyboard around these parts.

No, I understand that the purpose of this subreddit is what is best for men. Just remember that women are individuals, not here entirely for men's pleasure.

[–]RedSunBlue0 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Maybe I'm missing something.

Yep.

Then please explain the cause. I am curious to understand the cause.

Nope. It's been covered elsewhere in responses to you by others in this very thread. I will not put two and two together for you.

He only respects women if they behave in a way that he finds acceptable.

is the same as:

I respect everyone that lives their life in a way that doesn't harm or exploit others. Those are the only behaviors I consider "unacceptable." Some other behaviors might be unpleasant, but not worthy of disrespect.

If Roosh has issues, you have them too.

No, I understand that the purpose of this subreddit is what is best for men.

Then stop talking about what you like and what you want because it has nothing to do with this subreddit's goal.

Just remember that women are individuals, not here entirely for men's pleasure.

Only insofar as it leads to a successful sexual strategy.

BTW, your debate style is typical of women and is just adding more examples of the oft-decried red pill theory that women are inherently solipsistic and blissfully unaware of their own biological motivators.

EDIT: Also, please explain why, since you acknowledge that this sub is dedicated to what is best for men, Roosh's ideas are no good?

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[–]RedSunBlue0 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

But to answer your questions, Roosh's ideas are flawed, because they involve treating half the population (I'm not going to nitpick over which countries' women he likes and doesn't like) like second class citizens. That's called bigotry. You can look out for your own needs, there's nothing wrong with that. But when you have to treat other groups poorly to do so, then your ideas and methods are flawed.

Regardless of your mischaracterizations of Roosh's advice, Men want to get laid. If being an asshole gets men laid, then the advice "be an asshole" is solid advice, despite how it makes you feeeeeeeeel. It is not flawed because it did not fail in its objective.

Men will stop being assholes once women stop fucking assholes.

We're done here. You've demonstrated yourself incapable of anything but circular arguments centered around your feelings.

Your argument, once again, holds no water. I have tagged you as "Waste of time, DNR". Later, toots.

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