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[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 81 points82 points83 points 12 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Then give up on women for a while. Focus on what you want to do (whatever hobby/career/project you want).
TRP is about making you a better man. Winning over women is just a side effect. Keep the focus on you, not her/them.
[–][deleted] 42 points43 points44 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
This. The greatest misconception of TRP is that it's about getting chicks. It's not, it's about getting what you want out of life, TRP helps you see the world for what it is so that you can achieve this.
For many young men, lots of meaniless sex is what they want, but it's not for everyone. I'd rather dedicate myself to study and physical fitness, girls can come later. TRP taught me that my value will not degenerate like a woman's, and that I'm better off investing my youth than wasting it.
[–]sharkdubs 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
TRP taught me that my value will not degenerate like a woman's, and that I'm better off investing my youth than wasting it.
I really needed to read this today. The holidays have had me pretty down and well, for some odd reason, this was exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you kind stranger!
[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Bullshit. I'm fucking tired of seeing this. The Red Pill is about the the truth of the sexual strategies employed by women vs the ones employed by men and how they work. What you do with this truth is up to you. But yes it is literally about what chicks respond to vs. what they say they do.
[–]I_put_mukmuk_on_face 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Relax, he simply mis-phrased the "toolbox metaphor" that TRP is:
TRP is a toolbox for men. It has a lot of useful stuff but it may or may not all be for you. Take what you need from here and start fixing your life, like a man!
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well one of the best sexual strategies for a man is simply to improve himself, so it's all tied together.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes but that is an outcome of TRP truths, all the improvement and everything else stems from acknowledging its what women respond to.
[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To me, The Red Pill is about reality: The untold reality that we face behind the bullshit facade of equality that exists in our current society. This includes gender relations, HBD, true masculinity, and a number of other topics. Some of them are discussed frequently in this sub, others are not.
There is so much more to TRP than just how to get laid. Just because it is the main focus of this sub and the people in this sub doesn't make it the totality of TRP.
In short, we are TRP, not PUA. There's more to it for us. Keeping that in mind will prevent us from turning into seddit 2.0.
[+]kzwrp -7 points-6 points-5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men. Ladies, visit our sister subreddit, /r/redpillwomen.
If you want to study, you will have to improve your reading skills. Because right now, they suck.
[–]charlesbukowksi 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This. I felt a lot like the OP and since that revelation I stopped partying and chasing skirt and started working on hobbies and interests that are of value to me. I'm focused on my career, self improvement and self edification. Women are an after thought, and a small one at that.
Maybe some TRPers are really into getting laid, it's nice, but I really can't stand being around a dumb broad (or guy) for very long. What keeps me coming back to TRP isn't the content, it's mostly stuff I'm not interested in anymore, but rather the attitude it exemplifies. It's a pleasure to read what astute and like-minded people have to say on various subjects.
There's a proverb that goes 'sex and money are more important when you don't have them'. Once you have them you can start working towards what you really want, OP.
[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
sex and money are more important when you don't have them
Tru dat. Even when I went mostly MGTOW I would still pull a woman for sex every so often just to prove that I could. It became more and more infrequent as I really realized that if I wanted sex, I could have sex... there was no reason to have it now "just because" since I could have it later if I really really wanted it. In my mind, I had availablity to sex even if I wasn't seeing anyone.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is good advice. We hear a lot about pulling women in this sub, but honestly, if used correctly, you can use TRP to get anything you want. The confidence that comes with the success of self improvement can provide the boost you need for that new job, a tough negotiation, fuck, I feel stronger and more confident running errands. Keeping your frame isn't about women, it's about securing a prime spot in the social hierarchy, and everyone wants to be around the person who confident, good looking, and has a compelling life of his own, man or woman.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Then give up on women for a while. Focus on what you want to do.
Yep. It's the next step to take, realizing that TRP isn't about easy sex, it's about Live and Let Die.
I feel so meaningless.
Read "The World as Will and Representation".
[–]Theophagist 27 points28 points29 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
As I get older I find the platonic company of men to be far more rewarding than the platonic or sexual company of women.
[–]1lucifa 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How many men are geuninely happy in their wives' company? I've realised from an early age that I will never be fully satisfied in a long-term relationship. I enjoy spending time with some women, but not persistently, and I couldn't hack living with one permanently. I see so many 40+ men who strive day in day out at work, then pay for all the frivolous demands their women make. They become passive as they're so tired putting up with their shit, and just do anything to placate them just so they can be left alone. I watched it eat the life out of my Dad, and there's no chance I'll ever end up like that.
[–]Theophagist 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How many men are geuninely happy in their wives' company?
It's the stuff of comedy. When I was a child it was Al Bundy on Married With Children. The man was always loyal, always working, always broke and miserable. He didn't even get a meal at the end of the day as a reward for his labor and dogged devotion to his family. And we think that's funny.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There's nothing that says you can't form a long term relationship. If you realize that all women are next-able and at the slightest provocation you blow threw her shit tests, it can be quite fun.
Oneitis is feeling that no other woman can make you feel happy. Shallowing the red pill is about realizing that most of them are one of a million not one in a million.
I was in the same place a few months back. Spinning plates is fun but ultimately unfilling and tiresome. Using the same tactics, on the same pussy with just a different face and hearing the same lines became quite boring.
I decided to see what a red pill relationship would be like and have been quite happy.
[–]bgny 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Did you think of calling her out?
"You're not drunk. You know exactly what you are doing."
"And what makes you think I want to have sex with a sloppy drunk who doesn't know what she's doing?"
"Stop playing games. If you want to have some good sexy time tonight get over here, if not I'll take you home. But enough of this BS."
When a women gets all indecisive, teasing, and playing these games and the like - just call her out. Step up the alpha behavior and she will either respond favorably or get mad and leave. You don't care either way. The last thing you do is sit there and complain in your head about how this girl is acting and that you're not getting what you want. Why let her waste your time? Your time is valuable.
Change up the atmosphere, call her out. You have nothing to lose.
Edit: You are mad because this woman played you. She got you all ready to go and then hovered naked over your hardon before shutting it down. That's pretty brutal for a women to do. The problem isn't the redpill, the problem is that you are still bluepill. You let her take control of the situation. Are you a submissive? No, You should have had her raring to go just as much as you were. You should not have let this girl waste your time. Stop blaming and complaining, examine your behavior and fix what you did wrong.
[–]emmettfitz 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Better now than after 20+ years of being married, realizing you've pretty much been played your whole live, and when you want a return on some of that support and attention that you've given her all these years, you get very little to nothing. That is a hard pill to swallow, I no longer have plates to spin. All I can do is take it, and keep giving up 80-90% of my pay so I can still see my kids anytime I want. If I divorce I will still be giving up 80-90% of my pay but my kids will live somewhere else (who am I kidding? they'll live right here, the house I've payed for for 15 years, I'll be living in a 1 bedroom shit whole that I'll be able to afford if I eat ramen and water every day).
[–]INomYou 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Right there with you bro. Hit a rough patch last year and told the SO that I needed her to stand by me with emotional support and some proactive affection and comforting gestures. Basically dropped emotional trow and said I needed this from her, right now and dont want having to go looking for it everytime.
Result: zero fucking change in her behavior. Even as the world got very dark for me. But my paycheck sure kept getting spent and everything was rosey for her meanwhile I circled the fucking drain.
Bitter? Yep. Especially given all my efforts over the years to do the same for her. At this point I've made it clear I wont feel guilty about seeking what I want elsewhere since it's apparently too much fucking effort for her to offer it up herself.
[–]emmettfitz 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
WOW! when did you read my biography? Was home from Iraq a couple of years started really hitting the wall, a lot of depression, sadness and outbursts for (which I was labeled an asshole for) I started getting help, lots of meds, therapy (no help from her) during this I developed distonia (parkinson like seizures). Still nothing. Did I mention she decided to withhold affection + sex during this time? I decided I had had enough I found a marriage counselor. She started talking about how I didn't do stuff around the house, then somehow the subject finally got around how I was dying inside I got no support, things changed, for about 12 hours, most of of which was sleep. Things are getting better, and I act like I love her, don't really care. Then BOOM she was found to have some heart problems "Oh my god, I'm too young to have health problems! I am a nurse I work with cardiologists so I got her the best care I could, went to all of her appointments, she came to where I work for tests I basically picked the people to do her tests. Crisis averted, got her on meds. she doing a lot better, me still not so much, still have tremors still as depressed as hell about to start my what 5th anti-depressant. Raising my son (15) not to blue pill it, though I think he is a natural RP'er if you ask him about dating he'll tell you he can't find a girl that isn't stupid annoying or both.
I really don't think she does it (all) knowingly a lot is how American society works.
[–]thecajunone 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
I hear ya bro. Its worrisome thinking you will probably never love again.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Or feel like no woman is worthy of your love/time.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
This is from a dating profile I saw yesterday:
"My ideal first date would be someone who calls me and says put on your best cloths and get yourself all beautiful for me i will pick you up at 7:00 pm. They would pick me up with a vase of large purple lilies (my fav. flowers) then would open doors for me and treat me like a queen with the intention to make me smile and bring joy to my life. would have a beautiful night planned out with dinner and other things. etc etc"
I responded with: "Ok, but what makes you worth all that?"
Only women can get away with asking for that on a first date. I should start saying, "My ideal first date would be you picking me up, and then taking me to a steak house. Bring me a case of Blue Moon as well(I like it)." They'd think I was crazy.
[–]aww40 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
So much this. You hardly hear a woman talk about what she can bring to a relationship, only what she can get out of it.
[–]fruitofmyloom 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I find that this tendency increases as women get older which is why I can't stand older women...
[–]PhiloxSophia -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You're spending time with the wrong women...
[–]aww40 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I guess I should give that statement some context...
When you ask a single woman what she wants in a relationship, she will almost always say what she wants the guy (preferably an attractive male with high SMV and a nice career doesn't hurt) can give her. You never hear her explain what she can bring to a relationship.
However, when with a strong man who leads and is his own person outside of the relationship, she will be more willing to contribute as much as possible in the relationship. When with a weak man who gives her everything she thinks she wants, she will still never contribute and will, in the end, resent him for it.
[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Even beyond that....
I've asked the common "What would you want in a relationship" to both men and women. For the vast majority of women, it's what she can get out of the relationship. For the vast majority of men, it's about how the relationship works which is usually about how both he and the metaphorical her both contribute towards their future (he'll talk about what he can give and do as well as what she can give and do).
If you ever find a woman that talks like a man about what she wants in a relationship, hunt her down and catch her, then strongly consider an LTR with her if she doesn't invalidate herself otherwise.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow. When you put it like that, I really see how unbalanced it all is.
[–]PhiloxSophia 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah, but every guy in the world who saw her demands for a first date also thinks she's insane and unreasonable... A vase of purple Lillie's? Are you kidding me trying to pass this off as a normal, representative example of female behaviour?
[–]INomYou 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not every guy will. Some percent of beta chumps will pursue her and actually show up with said lillies as an offering to her pedestal. He'll drop a bundle on a romantic dinner while she orders $12 martinis and the lobster tail. All for a shot at a kiss on the cheek when he drops her off. After he drives off frustrated and poorer, she'll head over to her local club and slut it up with her girlfriends and suck off some alpha on her knees as the topper to that yummy free beta dinner.
[–]charlesbukowksi 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
you will probably never love again
As opposed to getting his heart broken by some miserable cunt? Outside of puppy love I'm not sure these TRP 'revelations' change much. Maybe there won't be a delusion/illusion of intimacy but when you have real intimacy you'll appreciate it that much more.
[–]oreopimp10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
you're bitching like that guy in that movie the matrix that wants to be put back in the matrix.
You need to find beauty in what it means to be human and not the pretty lies. Wake up. Be powerful. I can love a woman better than ever and I can do it on my own terms, while helping her feel what its like to be in a relationship with someone like me in which she feels loved in a way thats better than the other crap out there. And if you dont find a girl you dig: drop, find and repeat until you do. Woman want to be loved by a man that's better than them. So BE BETTER.
You choose the lens you view your reality through. If you dont dig spinning plates: stop doing it and have a sweet time doing your own thing, reading, writing, playing video games whatever you like to do and chill with girls you dig as they come into your life.
That or go be a pussy somewhere else. Seriously. If you dont like the girls attitude above: drop her. Or tell her to fuck you or get the hell out of the car because youre fed up with it that bad. Dont ever do anything you're not happy with. You are in control bro. Take the reins.
[–]BooksofMagic 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You choose the lens you view your reality through.
I think this is the reality of the red pill. It's just another lens to see the world through.
[–]Sabarot 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Right on, man. I like the extension of the red-pill metaphor to the character, Cypher.
Holy shit, I was just looking for a clip of him on Youtube but there's already a MGTOW themed clip of him.
The argument with him would be:
Cypher: What's the fucking difference? The Matrix feels real. The Matrix tells my brain it is the truth. It tells my mind I can feel good on it's terms. If my brain believes that then what's the problem?
TRP: That's nice. But it's not real. It is not the truth.
[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
One of the problems with opening your eyes to TRP is that you are jacked out of the matrix and without your blue pill idealism you realize just how self-centered and shitty the average woman is.
Sadly, the liklihood of shittyness goes up as the said woman goes up the HB scale. Considering that most new TRP guys chase the hot women they can finally get, they face more and more shitty women.
[–]oreopimp1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
One of the problems with opening your eyes to TRP is that you are jacked out of the matrix and without your blue pill idealism you realize just how self-centered and shitty the average woman person is.
Not a problem, but a key.
Dont mistake this as a battle. You put up with nothing. Women are like this because they've been without a guide for so long they have gotten to the point they think they're better than their men, better then anyone. That is the fault of the boys in her life who give her this insane sense of entitlement purely for the fact she has a pussy and can fucking breathe air. So you teach her. With your words, with your behavior, with the very fact that she can pull no bullshit on you and you believe in every way that you are better than her (and in reality: YOU ARE)
One of the problems with opening your eyes to TRP is that you are jacked out of the matrix and without your blue pill idealism you realize just how self-centered and shitty the average woman person is. Not a problem, but a key.
I'm gonna have to disagree a bit on two fronts. The first is that most blue pill men don't idolize men and as such they already know that shitty men exist. This is not a shock to the system for them. Also, the average woman is shittier than the average man. I think the reason for this is that even blue pill men recognize that men have a stronger concept of reciprocity than women do. I've had men I barely knew offer to help me with X, Y, or Z because they know that when they need help with something that I can help with I'm likely to return the favor. There's still a guy code of scratching each other's backs, even if I see less of it now than I did 10 years ago.
Dont mistake this as a battle. You put up with nothing.
Spot on. For more experience RP guys there is no battle. For the guys who are just starting out and learning, they are not yet to that point. You are also very accurate on where her sense of entitlement comes from.
[–]zezozio 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I feel you, man...
And then imagine (in a few month/years) getting oneitis and see through the lies and the self(?)-deception of the girl. The hamstering, the hypergaming, the wall! It's like a part of you is dying each time she "opens" up to you...
But you can't unlearn the truth. And I'd rather live an ugly truth than in a rosy-dream.
In my view there is a light side and a dark side to TRP. One may use it to play into the darker side of female nature or one may use it to avoid it. You get fewer notches on the light side but.. there are women who get it. Really. They just recognise bullshit when they see it and often prefer men to women. It is just that game does not work that well on them so you just have to tell the truth.
[–]MrStinky 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I honestly miss believing these lies. I miss being naive. I miss oneitis - it's less lonely than noitits. I can't feel a connection anymore. There's no magic. I'd rather stay in my basement and smoke weed than go out and fuck these girls. It's too easy. It's boring. Spinning plates blows. Ughhhh.
Sometimes I feel the exact. same. way
[–]palish 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Have you considered it's because you're thinking of women as sex toys rather than companions?
[–]PhiloxSophia 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Sometimes all it takes is a single, straightforward question...
[–]palish -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I really didn't mean to cause drama or come off like I'm trolling... This is actually the first time I've looked at TRP in ages. I'm a little scared about the mindset embodied in what I'm seeing here. Men are yin, women are yang. We complement each other, and we're both stuck on the same rock hurtling through space till we die. If we forget that we're all people, rather than objects, then... I just don't know what to think about that kind of mindset. All I can say is that there are deep emotional rewards from female companionship; rewards which are uniquely different from male companionship, and therefore important, because it expands our worldview and lets us see life in a different light.
I don't know anything about TRP, so maybe you guys believe that too. Sorry. It just seemed very clear that OP was thinking of them as something less than human.
Men are yin, women are yang.
Yes.
But our modern society has Yin and "Yang trying to be Yin". And Yin trying to mate up with "pretend Yin" is very empty and hollow. The OP will likely keep feeling empty trying to "find his other half" until he finds a true Yang woman.
They're actually rare in today's society.
[–]PIBagent 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All I can say is that there are deep emotional rewards from female companionship.
Ah the old "women provide some undefined quality" argument. Imagine going on a job interview and when they ask you what you bring to the table as far as skills that would benefit the company you say "I bring deep emotional rewards". You'd be laughed out of the interview room.
The point is women, in general, offer NOTHING of real value aside from beauty and sex. if I wanted to talk to someone interesting, fun, or intellectually stimulating I have guy friends who can do a far better job of providing that than any woman can.
[–]BooksofMagic -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No I think you saw clearly through the OP's words here. Don't apologize when you believe you are right, only when you are proven wrong. PhiloxSophia was agreeing with you as well.
[–]Twonix 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Getting jerked off in your car? What are you 16?
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[–]NGGYUNGLYDNGRAADY -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You could always switch teams and go after guys. Even if you don't want to do anything sexual with a guy, do it for the challenge to see if you could pick up a guy. See how the game is different between men and women.
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