Making you wait for sex

Brocccooli · 2014-10-06T15:50:32+00:00

Iron Rule of Tomassi #3 Any woman who makes you wait for sex, or by her actions implies she is making you wait for sex; the sex is NEVER worth the wait.

This is the 5th time I've posted this link somewhere on the RP subreddits.

Try_2 · 2014-10-06T11:31:52+00:00

most women know within the first 20 seconds of meeting you if they're going to fuck you or not. If she doesn't want to fuck you right away, she probably never will, and to the extent that the two of you ever have sex, she will consider it a favor that she's granting you.

insickness · 2014-10-06T13:34:38+00:00

Is this "making you wait" strategy something strictly reserved for betas ?

No and anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand how social dynamics works. Yes there are famous rock stars out there for whom a woman would drop her panties in 6 seconds flat but this isn't a good yardstick with which to compare yourself.

Some women will put out faster than others and most women will put out faster if she senses the guy is comfortable with escalating faster. Some women absolutely refuse to put out before a few dates no matter who it is and others will fuck you on the first date. Sometimes when a quality woman really likes a guy, she'll make him wait until the third date to have sex because she doesn't want to come across as a slut. And sometimes she's just not attracted to you enough and is either purposely making you an orbiter or likes you as a person but can't bring herself to fuck you.

With all those variables it can be impossible to diagnose why things aren't moving along as they should. But you don't necessarily need to diagnose it. You just need to know what action to take. My suggestion is to have a threshold for sexual progress with a woman. For example, for me, if she won't kiss me on the second date, she gets nexted. If we're not at least to third base by the third date, I'd probably next her. If she's not putting out I would invite her over to my place to start the next date and if she refused to come I would drop contact with her.

AFPJ · 2014-10-06T11:33:10+00:00

It depends. If she's a slut, don't let her play the good girl by saying, "I only fuck after such and such time/commitment level." If you don't want to give whatever standard of commitment she demands, move on. Maybe she'll give in and fuck you if you do move on.

Prattler26 · 2014-10-06T12:31:06+00:00

Whatever the reason, women like strong men. The strongest thing to do in this situation is to set your own rules for the relationship and demand that. It's not like you're demanding to fuck a virgin on the first date. You're only demanding what they've already done with other men.

If they're not following your lead, the only way is to walk away. Your time is valuable. Why waste it on a woman when you can improve yourself.

Miamiheat87 · 2014-10-06T15:07:04+00:00

You got to let them know that any relationship you're in involves sex. Sex isn't that special, it is something you need as a man biologically.

you can tell them, hey if you uncomfortable with that and all it's cool but when I'm with a woman... I'm with a woman. I'm not going to force you to do anything but my relationships involve sex because I like to fuck.

Red_Shirt_Blue_Pants · 2014-10-06T16:12:47+00:00

Yea you somehow messed up in communicating your value or they just didn't see much value. Try buildimg a bit more rapport and follow a kino escalation ladder until you develop your own preferred natural escalation that works.

Good news is you're escalating and weeding out these girls that don't show interest in you. Girls will say they aren't interested in hooking up then suck some guys cock the next day. AWALT so just next them and find some others, if it turns out they liked you, they will make an effort to set something up.

Someone posted that they next if they don't get a kiss on the first date. I agree. If there isn't enough chemistry built on the first date then your chances of being successful on the second are slimmer.

FrameWalker · 2014-10-06T13:59:41+00:00

We do and I start escalating, they protest and seem to repeat that they are interested in relationship and not just hooking up.

Do you communicate something to them too early? Try following Vin DiCarlo's escalation ladder. Hold off on kissing until you're at a close location/f is likely. If they refuse it's not a big deal, just freeze out and break the sexual energy and tension that they're enjoying. Something I've been trying out form Models is a good example of a pressure flip.

"Why are you uncomfortable having sex?" "Why are you uncomfortable with kissing?" (ie Why arent you an empowered well adjusted woman?) When she's visibly uncomfortable/stops you, you might say "I don't have sex with people who are uncomfortable. Talk for another 15 minutes and leave. She may even apologize to you. Doing this the resistance drops significantly if they like you.

Also try some push pull as you escalate. Don't give it up too easy, be testing them. See if they make the cut. During kissing stop suddenly/push them off playfully, let them come back for more. Effective during cuddling too.

3rd date is a great rule of thumb, but just feel it out. Always be closing/seducing them more. Right after a freeze out is a good time to get them to qualify to you.

BluepillProfessor · 2014-10-06T18:53:38+00:00

Just because they don't make Alphas wait and they do make Betas wait doesn't mean they don't TRY to make them all wait.

Alphas just know their way around the LMR's and can maintain frame to accomplish the seduction. Betas can also learn those skills and can even learn how to build attraction with a woman. They may not turn into King Solomon but they can get a lot better.

Ronin11A · 2014-10-06T15:24:29+00:00

Women spread their legs when they're comfortable. If they're resisting, then you're failing to put them sufficiently at ease. It's going to require different levels of effort per woman. My main plate right now tried this. I just kept escalating physically while building rapport and comfort across three dates. Fourth date, escalated into her bed, watched her body language. Mentally, I knew she wanted to hold out longer, but her body language told a different story, so I just put it in. Once she felt it, all resistance stopped.

Stayinghereforreal · 2014-10-06T12:48:33+00:00

Making you wait=you are beta bux.

Locastor · 2014-10-06T23:16:40+00:00

This is called LMR, OP.

There are several techniques to break it. Here are 2 that I like:

1) Agree and carry on.

You: kiss hamster, go for panties

Hamster: We shouldn't do this

You: Yes, we shouldn't do this continue kissing, go for panties again in 3 minutes

2) Freezeout

You: kiss hamster, go for panties

Hamster: We shouldn't do this

You: [immediately and wordlessly] stand up, pull out your phone

Hamster: Why did you stop?

You: continue on phone, don't speak

SuperSlavisWife · 2014-10-07T17:25:59+00:00

From the perspective of a woman who made guys wait: For some of us it's just a filtering process. I wanted someone who would stay with me. I knew the men who wouldn't stay would not be happy to wait as long as I wanted to. Some were honest about intentions, so we cut it off. Some were dishonest, so they waited until they realized they weren't getting any in the first five dates, after which they disappeared. The final result was favourable for the honest guys and myself, not so much for the guys who hung around under false premises expecting something for nothing.

There are definitely women who use it as a means to friendzone or exploit naive guys. And there are definitely women who use it as a shit test. But for some it's a way of ensuring we only sleep with men we could realistically raise children with.

Regardless of why she's doing it, if you don't want children or a solid relationship with her, then it's best to move on and find someone who actually offers what you want. Don't get hung up on it, just view it as another form of rejection.

AFPJ · 2014-10-06T17:00:32+00:00

Is this "making you wait" strategy something strictly reserved for betas ?

She could've already pegged you as AF or BB or this could be to determine it. No point in guessing, LMR / "making you wait" / etc is all the same thing - if you don't get around it, might as well next.

markasstrick123 · 2014-10-06T18:19:09+00:00

I always found that hilarious. If she makes you wait, you aren't giving enough tingles. We all know that women will put out on the first if she really likes you.

TheRealMewt · 2014-10-06T20:37:51+00:00

The way I look at it is that if a woman's goal is a relationship and a man decides whether a relationship occurs in the first place (the "men are the gatekeepers of relationships" mantra we live by here), then that woman must prove that she is relationship material just like we must prove to her that we're the ones that should be fucking her instead of some other guy. Now explain to me how one proves themselves when they do nothing. How am I supposed to commit to a woman who withholds themselves from the relationship they so desire?

That's why waiting for sex is a load of bollocks.

anonlymouse · 2014-10-06T21:09:11+00:00

It depends on the reason. If she's not on the pill, and wants to wait until it's working (that's one full month on the pill plus waiting until her period so she can start it, meaning 1-2 months), then you wait (but you're still having sexy funtimes, just not intercourse).

Any other reason, fuck that shit.

Title	Making you wait for sex
Author	MrFritzH
Upvotes	12
Comments	48
Date	October 6, 2014 11:22 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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