Money doesn't increase your SMV, only your RMV.

hardworkdedication2 · 2016-11-23T07:57:06+00:00

I want money for myself, not women.

It gives you freedom and power.

vandaalen · 2016-11-23T18:23:09+00:00

I'd really appreciate if people like you would bother to lurk and read more instead of making me read their half baked ideas put into low-effort posts.

Please understand that SMV is determined by a mixture of things and one can make up for another but only to a certain degree.

Of course money isolated does not drive your SMV up to infinity, as doesn't looks, style, game, status, etc. pp. on their own, which is the reason why some richt silicon valley nerds do not drown in pussy, as there are exceptionally good looking autists who cannot find something to fuck even if their life depended on it.

iamneptuno · 2016-11-23T06:57:31+00:00

Money does get you females. Of course it's not a genuine attraction, so what? I'd prefer contract based shit to hormone explosions in some bitch's crazy head any day.

All successful males I know hire escorts. Putting validation aside, you are getting a well trained good looking female that does her job and leaves -- what more do you want?

lulalady · 2016-11-23T06:52:53+00:00

If women have sex with you because they want to experience your money and luxury, how does that not increase your sexual marketability?

VasiliyZaitzev · 2016-11-23T08:57:14+00:00

Money is a "force multiplier". It only works if there is a force to be multiplied, i.e. it's useful at a tool, but only in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing already.

Put another way:

Guys with game get laid. Guys with money get laid. Guys with money and no game...don't get laid. Except by gold diggers looking for a BetaBux.

H4RV3YSP3CT3R · 2016-11-23T06:16:45+00:00

Unless you're stepping out in Balmain, Balenciaga or Zanottis, No one will know your net worth. Also rich men don't tell people they're rich until they're bustin out the racks at the club on your birthday.

TheRedStoic · 2016-11-23T13:22:18+00:00

Nah I don't buy it.

Money is just another piece of leverage in the game. Betas will be regardless of how rich they are.

Plenty of wealthy guys will let a woman ride them into the ground and drop them the moment they ask for commitment. Plenty more simply don't mention their wealth and play fine.

Some do get onitis, and women sense that more than anything else. They'll strong arm anyone they sense that with. It's free resources.

But if you're wealthy you just need to spend wisely, no sex by 3rd meet? Next. No problem.

Chances are they'll call back for a ride and then afterwards you drop them or plate them.

Wealth is just another tool in the box. How you use it makes the difference, not simply having it.

bonerdude420 · 2016-11-23T09:11:56+00:00

How many girls want to fuck you?

Would more girls want to fuck you if you were rich?

If you answered yes then money increases you SMV. The rest is hamstering because you are broke.

TopologyDough · 2016-11-23T13:56:12+00:00

Money allows you to have more time. You could waste your time like a some code monkeys do or you can produce results in other aspects of your life.

Money ain't a problem. If anything, money gives you access to resources to increase your SMV (gym membership, higher quality protein).

After a certain amount of money, you can afford the same gym memberships as someone else, yes there's an argument that money only makes a difference after a certain amount. But let's be real here, people with > $35 million in their bank account can earn > $70k just from bonds and have all their time to do the things they want in life. Owning all 24 hours in your life just opens up so much more opportunities for you.

900e52271f01adfb82e7 · 2016-11-23T07:11:21+00:00

If money by itself increases your SMV, all the Silicon Valley nerdy engineers and programmers would be drowing in pussy

Money still increases SMV. A wealthy nerdy engineer will get more pussy than a poor nerdy engineer.

Your example reminds me of this article [0].

[0] http://www.businessinsider.com/dating-startup-flying-women-cross-country-2014-3

stawek · 2016-11-23T10:49:49+00:00

This is bullshit and it can be easily shown.

Imagine a buff, good looking guy picking up a girl for first date. He arrives in his 10 year old toyota, takes her to a movie and they fuck afterwards.

Now replace the toyota with a Lamborghini and tell me it makes him less likely to have sex that night. You are out of your mind.

PowerVitamin · 2016-11-23T06:58:54+00:00

I agree. But, money can buy you independence. Sovereignty. These things are important too.

bad_news_everybody · 2016-11-23T19:34:33+00:00

This isn't an argument against what you're saying, but money does help in one very specific way: it brings stability.

Men who "have their shit together" are more attractive than men who don't. If you get a flat tire, can you handle the situation end to end? That means both the ability change for the spare, and the ability to buy new tires without freaking out about the cost?

If you have constant stress from bills unpaid then you are carrying a handicap you would otherwise not have. It's a lot easier to be confident at work when you have "fuck you" money. And when you aren't slaving away fearfully at work, you can save that mental strength for dealing with shit tests.

You're right that being rich correlates with a bunch of other positive traits, but having money in the bank also brings out those positive traits. You can display those traits without having money in the bank, but it's a lot easier when you do.

Drogba006 · 2016-11-23T17:55:16+00:00

You can buy women dinner and still have sex, it's not a binary dinner=beta/ she buys=alpha male bravado 60 inch dick with 40inch girth sleep with 687060 every hour.

Fuck

fuu969 · 2016-11-23T07:28:29+00:00

money attracts those kind of women - post wall chicks - single mothers - low quality LTR material

If you make money, go to escorts

benczi · 2016-11-23T12:24:16+00:00

Money does not increase SMV. Money increases your personal freedom. Freedom to do all the stuff you really want to do. (in case you're not doing them already)

FrostyGoingHisOwnWay · 2016-11-24T10:19:17+00:00

I think it's trivially obvious that money when spent on 1000 dildos does not have the same effect on you SMV as money spent on a Ferrari. Yes it matters how you spend it.

and money is only one of many ways to achieve those things

I would argue that money is the only way to buy a Ferrari and turning up to the club in one of those immediately gives you status, all people (both men and women) respond to people with status.

Remember that women while they have their baser instincts for things like a good body and style also want to use their own SMV to land them the best man they can possibly buy, and so a guy with style who steps out of a Ferrari immediately trumps a guy with style who's obviously broke as shit. For the simple reason that womens natural biology makes them attracted to good providers, it's a classic natural alpha male trait that alpha males are the ones with enough resources to not only provide for themselves and their harem but also other beta males. That's why the guy that walks into the bar and buys everyone a drink gains status.

Gold digging isn't just a mental thought process that requires the upper brain, remember that women still have a natural attraction to people best able to provide, all else being equal the man with more money wins.

Katavasis · 2016-11-23T10:35:40+00:00

I laugh at people worrying about gold diggers. Want a tip?Don't give them money. Unless you have real money ,don't you worry about GD.

As you said,moeny does not increase your SMV directly.It depends on how you use it

Colonel_Tryhard · 2016-11-23T11:26:46+00:00

You can hire some good personal trainer.

sj2k · 2016-11-23T15:21:10+00:00

Success in the workplace and making money is a key part of self-improvement. Threatening successful people with the possibility "you might be beta-bux" just makes you seem jaded and unsuccessful.

Make money, spend it on yourself, don't flash your money with new women.

cavtrpr · 2016-11-23T17:37:29+00:00

Just because you make a lot of money doesn't mean you get to keep it. A sucker and his money are easily separated or simply you can be AMOG'ed right out of a job or business. Money by itself does not constitute social proof. Chicks dig power. Money + entourage (followers) + plus the ability to exploit others not in your entourage = power = higher SMV.

aurelius_shrugs · 2016-11-24T00:19:26+00:00

There's a lot of ego in this post. Who gives a shit if she genuinely wants to fuck you? There are Saudis that use women (HB 10) as human toilets. You should be more pissed women have no dignity when offered enough cash. And that's the average chick you meet too.

metallica11 · 2016-11-24T00:20:16+00:00

This reminds me of the time where I was hanging out with a girl who has friend zoned me, we went out on the town - she actually bought the drinks, we got drunk, she ended up bringing back this guy to my place to fuck in my guest room at my upscale condo, riding them back in my BMW - the guy was an "aspiring artist" who lived with a roommate in a small apartment, but he was "super hawwwwt" (according to her). The guy left after they fucked (i don't want fucking strangers in my place)...she crashed in the spare bedroom and went on and made me a huge kickass breakfast in the morning (she's a chef) in my kitchen and a cleaned etc because she felt bad the next day.

At least she is a cool girl for doing that...but man...money will NOT save you.

God_Money · 2016-11-24T01:27:55+00:00

A long time ago, when I was working on taking some college classes I had taken a short pit stop at my mom's place, for a couple of months. She lived close enough to the college, and I was trying to save up some cash for a new car at the time, and couldn't cover all my expenses, and you know, typical young person money thing.

So I was out on a date with this girl, and things were going great. I could see all kinds of positive body language coming from her, and she was just really into me... until I let it slip that I didn't have my own place at the moment, and was saving to get a better car. I watched the light leave her eyes, and from then on she was just pretending to not want to run out of there.

It wasn't exactly that she was looking for me for beta bux. She was just interested in me in general, but when she found out I was poor and living with my mom, I was instantly re-categorized into unfuckable territory.

Women like guys who are independent, and strong, and good looking, and all that typical normal assumed stuff. Money is an enabler of so many things that increase SMV.

You know, as one example... lifting. If you have no money, it's harder to get a GYM membership and eat healthy foods. Poor people are typically time poor. They have to spend a lot of time sitting at bus stops or waiting in a laundry place. They have to work more hours, because they have hourly pay that's shit, or get multiple jobs. They sleep less. ALL of this contributes to a situation where it's harder to improve your physique.

Is it good to give some dumb bitch expensive gifts to try to make her like you? No. But that in no way makes money a bad thing. Someone not understanding that freely giving a woman resources she hasn't earned, is just stupidity in practice. Someone without money could easily do the same, just in the form of other things.... like providing other resources like emotional reassurance, his time, and support. A woman should be made to EARN what she gets from you, or she'll lose respect for you!

Wildwildwes17 · 2016-11-24T06:10:26+00:00

Buy escort. Go on date at ex's favorite restaurant(show her off). Bang escort in car and send snaps to ex. Ex wants your dick back. Also same strategy would work for a target, the whole preselection thing.

clear_lights · 2016-11-24T08:12:48+00:00

You wouldn't be posting here if you were a multi-millionaire...

tryingtobealpha · 2016-11-24T08:44:17+00:00

i consider myself successful and money is the easiest way to get laid. At the end of the day, what's the difference between a plate and some dumb gold digger?

a: nothing , same result, in fact the gold digger might be even less work.

let me clarify, i have never spent more than $100 on a girl except for my sister

so $ if used correctly, can be used to play most girls , most won't decline an opportunity to ride in a 6xxk car.

BoyWhoreWithASword · 2016-11-23T22:01:05+00:00

Can't believe I have to repost this. I made this post on this sub like a year or so ago because of the idiotic fucking posts like yours talking about money. I'm just going to copy paste part of it. Oh and money absolutely increases your SMV you fucking simpletons.

You guys really don't fucking get it. You can't just use an example of a rich ass dude getting cheated on and then make the statement that money doesn't make you different. It does fucking make you different and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking dumbass who probably never had any money or wants to rationalize their average ass income and lifestyle.

Money doesn't make men betas just because some betas happen to have money.

In many countries, money is the deciding factor behind what makes you alpha. It's a projection of power and status and resources. Having a lot of money doesn't make any man beta by default. It's beta to be exploited for your money not to simply have it.

I can't even believe there are so many people on this sub confusing the concept of being rich and wealthy as some sort of "beta trait". It's completely mindless. I say again having money doesn't make a man beta just because some betas have money. It also doesn't make a man beta the fact that women seek beta men as resource/validation/stability providers. A man would be considered "beta" based on his actual behavior.

A rich man with money who doesn't let himself be exploited by women and lives as he wants is not a beta. A rich man with money who does let himself be exploited by women is a beta.

There is a difference. The difference is in the BEHAVIOR not the monetary status. I don't know where you people get this delusion that money in and of itself somehow makes a man beta. Some of you guys lack the depth of thought to differentiate beta bucks from simply bucks or alpha bucks.

Money can free you from almost any shackle or inconvenience that man or nature can throw at you. Money is transportation, money is travel, money is shelter, money is sustenance, money pays for your appearance, money can get you property, money can get you out of legal trouble, it can pay for physical protection it can do so money things. Don't ever fucking listen to some goddamn retard who tells you money doesn't change things.

Most importantly money is time and a man with money has the time and freedom to live his life how he wants, when he wants, with whom he wants.

Entropy-7 · 2016-11-23T07:31:04+00:00

Don't believe in fairytailes where a 10 fucks a poor bartender. Money literally make them orgasm: http://www.businessinsider.com/2009/1/study-rich-men-give-women-more-orgasms

anonymous51015 · 2016-11-23T07:52:28+00:00

While your comment has a few minor points that can be debated, your overall argument is good and can be heavily supported.

You could have said that money cannot make a man create a suitable social environment in which a female can share comfortably. There are many examples of men who accumulate money but due to bad habits, or lack of changing them, end up losing social value.

Also, you should avoid using the euphemism "beta bucks" to clearly point out why females feel the way they do about these males: The reason is that females generally see these males as whimps/weak. Nerdy engineers are not portrayed as people who typically talk about improving their intimacy with women by means of seduction. In fact, most men are not properly educated about how to sustain healthy relationships with women (which fit the desired frequency of the man).

That being said, your tone suggests lack of empathy for uneducated men who are most likely going to fail with women before, during, and after they get money. But given the nature of this subreddit, pity will most likely not help these men either. However, educating them may or may not help, as they are grown adults. It's as if it's almost too late, since it's been researched that adults psychologically stabilize in their habits as they age.

blackedoutfast · 2016-11-23T18:32:47+00:00

absolutely true. having money only helps you become the beta bucks provider. money is irrelevant if you are her alpha fucks.

sonder_one · 2016-11-23T18:45:12+00:00

Creating the impression that she can benefit from your money increases your SMV. Simply having it does not.

justgotalpha · 2016-11-24T15:44:35+00:00

money does not increase your smv?ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? you have to know how to use it to your advantage ,of course if you are a rich dude with no social life and expensive items to give a hint ,nobody will know so they will treat you like a nobody,its just like looks you have to use it to your advantage, guys here at the RP often forget about the nature of women and think they will love you for who they are,with women its all about emotions and resources , you might give them emotions and the rich dude resources but at the end of the day the same efforts are being put for the same result which is SEX,and SEX its only important to MEN,for women its her only AND MOST IMPORTANT TOOL.

justcheckinginn · 2016-11-23T20:38:32+00:00

I agree with you 100% OP. I've been saying this for years about dudes with money and fancy objects! I don't know why people on the manosphere preach about having a massive bankroll is gonna get the panties wet! Money is a good thing of course and many men should try to maximize their earnings, but having massive wealth doesn't mean women are gonna bang you without game! A broke dude living in his momma' basement with serious game can get more women than an investment banker with a ferrari!

Mckallidon · 2016-11-23T14:53:39+00:00

Agreed. Money is for betabux or post-tingles cohesion. A stud is a stud. Women have no problem having some studs kid and finding a schlub to pay the bills.

Title	Money doesn't increase your SMV, only your RMV.
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Date	November 23, 2016 6:13 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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