Paternity Fraud: Examples + Discussion

Red_August · 2015-07-19T02:44:42+00:00

"Women go CRAZY when you talk about paternity testing. Every emotional argument is used no matter how stupid."

Want to jam a stick in her hamster wheel, and see her hamster tumble at 500 RPM? Ask her how she would feelz if she had her baby switched with another one at the hospital. "What? What's wrong sweetie? You'd still have a happy family!"

tomysotomayorfuxboys · 2015-07-18T19:11:45+00:00

Solution: get a DNA test before accepting paternity for any child that is supposedly yours.

putsch80 · 2015-07-18T22:13:20+00:00

I am a lawyer. I'm not going to comment on your first-half of the post, but wanted to chime in on the second have.

Mothers can use paternity testing as evidence in court to win child support. Fathers cannot use paternity testing as evidence to deny child support (when child is older than 2, or if the man signed the birth certificate).

In the U.S., each state's laws are different regarding how long you have to challenge paternity. Some states are two years. Some are 1 year. Some are even longer. Some don't have an actual time bar. Don't take two years as a hard and fast rule. If you have any concerns about paternity whatsoever, make an appointment with a competent lawyer in your jurisdiction and discuss your options.

People will use you signing the birth certificate against you: "well, you signed the contract, so thats tough". It doesn't matter that you were cheated and it was another mans kid. However those same people will say "well this prenup agreement is clearly not fair to the woman" and throw it away in court.

The pre-nup being "thrown out in court" myth that pervades this sub is getting really tiresome. No, courts do not throw out prenups willy nilly (at least in the U.S.). In fact, it so rarely happens that, in the few instances that it does, it's actually noteworthy. Here are the most common reasons pre-nups are invalidated by a court:

Each party did not have its own separate legal representation in reviewing the pre-nup. This means both you and your fiance should get separate lawyers. A pre-nup is essentially an adversarial document. That means one lawyer cannot validly represent both you and your fiance, because he cannot act on behalf of both of your interests at the same time.
The pre-nup contains invalid clauses. The most common ones are issues dealing with custody and child support. Courts will ignore those clauses like they do not exist, but will generally still enforce the rest of the terms of a pre-nup.
Failure to allow adequate time. If you drop a pre-nup on your fiance the night before the wedding, you are basically creating a situation of duress. In those instances, a court will likely toss the prenup. Each side should have at least a few weeks before the wedding to review and sign it. Weddings take time to plan, and there is literally never a reason to rush into one, so get your goddamn ducks in a row and get the prenup taken care of shortly after you get engaged.
Fraud/Failure to Disclose. Don't get cute and try to hide assets. Prenups require an honest, full and fair disclosure. Everyone puts all their cards on the table.

Barring those particular things above, courts in most will almost never toss a pre-nup. They will enforce them in most states even if they are unfair (as long as full and frank disclosure of the assets was made). Prenups now have a very favored view in the courts of most states, and courts will actively work to uphold the contract between the parties barring one of the infirmities set forth above.

Tying this all back into your point, a woman will generally be bound by signing a prenup. It's a false comparison you are trying to create. If you sign a birth certificate, then that's your own mistake (and one which, in any event, can be undone in that time frame for challenging paternity discussed above). Signing legal documents has consequences for everybody who signs.

If we as a society worry about the kid’s financial security being lost by telling the father he isn't his: why don’t we just tax everyone instead of just this one man that got tricked? (Well we already do have large welfare/benefits given to single mothers)...

Because I don't want that burden socialized upon me. As a man (at least in the US), you have at your disposal the ability to get a paternity test. Most men don't do it though. If they don't want to confirm a child is there own biological offspring in the time allowed by law, why should that be my problem? Imagine if your wife/LTR showed up and said, "Honey, this extra mortgage just appeared on our house. We need to pay it off over the next 20 years." Do you think most men wouldn't look into it and try to see if they are actually liable for the payments? Of course they fucking would. And if they're too stupid not to do so, that doesn't mean we should socialize the cost of that mortgage and spread it to everyone else. A child should be no different. When one shows up, promptly confirm it's yours. If it is, do your part and care for it right. If it isn't, then rid yourself of the liability using the legal tools at your disposal. Don't whine that you didn't act diligently and were duped, and that you now need society to pick up the tab for you.

Pkbeefatude · 2015-07-19T03:40:26+00:00

I've said it before on here, ask your mom's/sister's/ female friends

shit even your sweet old grandma about one of these situations.

They will all say something like "why ruin a good family, the child is in a good home it doesn't matter who the father is".

Do you think they would feel the same if they found out their babies were switched in the crib? I had a distant cousin that this happened two, years later found out wasn't his kid, my mom aunts and grandma all said "well its real his child now even if it isn't biological" like it was OK or excusable.

absolutely shocking.

tracker2208 · 2015-07-19T05:20:25+00:00

Here's an example of a different kind of paternity fraud.

tl;dr - Woman intentionally cut any ties, legal or otherwise, between father and daughter because she met a new man.

Man raises daughter till she's 5. Mother (they broke up before she knew she was pregnant) wants to move away with her new boyfriend. She tell him he's probably not the father (mother being a notorious CC rider so it's believable), insist on a paternity test, tampers with it and it comes back negative, has his name removed from birth certificate. Man moves on with his life. 11 years later he gets a call from a lawyer saying the mother died and he's probably the father, gets another test done that says he's the father.

MattyAnon · 2015-07-18T18:30:28+00:00

Women go CRAZY when you talk about paternity testing. Every emotional argument is used no matter how stupid.

It's interesting about "sexist crimes", ie crimes that cannot be gender reversed. There's two I know if: rape and paternity fraud.

Rape: well that's always the man against the woman (even when it's not) and the man is always to blame (even when he's not even conscious and she initiated) and any man caught up in a false rape accusation is just so much collateral damage to protect the feelz of other women. ie the woman has priority.

Paternity fraud: protect the children! if you were involved with that woman, you have to support her children even if they aren't yours, even if she tricked you. ie the woman has priority.

The signing the birth certificate thing is particularly strange as it in no way is an adoption procedure. It is a declaration of being the father. Signing a lease on a stolen car doesn't mean the seller is no longer liable and you have to keep paying for eternity - your signature is irrelevent, you were tricked and missold.

The common theme is this: the message women receive is "woman is always right", and that's the message she'll keep on screaming, logic be damned.

RP_Vergil · 2015-07-19T07:37:01+00:00

Woman have an intrinsic behaviour in protecting their own gender. They could identify a slut and can't stop rambling about her. But if a guy were to call that slut out, he's getting butchered by the whole gang of harpies.

Notice in society, "all man are like that" is accepted as a norm. "All woman are like that" will make you a Woman hater.

Woman are born to be loved, charished, adored. Such narcissism and it has now become indoctrinated in society.

RedPillarOfSalt · 2015-07-18T19:35:10+00:00

Women go CRAZY when you talk about paternity testing. Every emotional argument is used no matter how stupid.

Its 20x as bad when you bring it up in real life to the girl you (possibly) knocked up. Much easier if you live overseas and she is foreign, as a DNA paternity confirmation is required as part of the docs needed to apply for citizenship.

hashtagpls · 2015-07-19T03:21:29+00:00

so i got a q: why the hell do women get so irrationally crazy when a paternity is disputed? For eg when you bring up a case like in the OP, any random woman who's not blood related to the husband will take the side of the cheating woman? is there something biologically evolution related or something?

MagicGainbow · 2015-07-19T09:42:19+00:00

The whole thread is a lot of people saying the socially acceptable thing...but chances are they'd be mega pissed if it happened to them.

I_is_the_best · 2015-07-18T19:35:35+00:00

Also there should be greater cost (legally) for committing paternity fraud. Historically it was ... stoning the woman to death. Then it got easier and easier. Now we have the total opposite in the legal system, where the government actively helps it happen e.g. prison time in France for men who paternity test their child.

You would be surprised how often men fix the system. I'll give you a clue - you see on news a report about a guy who killed his wife and children and then himself. You get next to no details - they don't even say he was mental. Just a brief info and that's it - they silence the case.

Source - a thing like this happened in a town nearby. Bitch was a slut. Guy did what was right and even left a note saying why he did it. The media briefly mentioned that a guy in X did this and that (no reason stated) and then they went radio silent on it.

Mr_Fun_Phd · 2015-07-19T06:34:06+00:00

I know, I know: AWALT jaddajaddajadda

But facing all this crap... how does one not hate them? Its not like with animals or children, they are not treated as equals by the law, they have not significant power over your life, they, for the most part, cannot destroy it on a whimp...

Man hates what he fears and right now I DO fear women and big brother state aka "the big white knight".

NightGod · 2015-07-20T00:46:52+00:00

Dude should just get a paternity test without telling anyone else and then work from there. It's obviously bothering him, at the very least the surety either way would give him some form of closure and let him make a more informed decision.

favours_of_the_moon · 2015-07-20T13:40:59+00:00

Mothers can use paternity testing as evidence in court to win child support. Fathers cannot use paternity testing as evidence to deny child support (when child is older than 2, or if the man signed the birth certificate).

Typical double standard. Any contract that is entered into under false pretences is null and void, so signing a birth certificate shouldn't mean jack shit.

tehwankingwalruses · 2015-07-20T13:58:27+00:00

The comments literally make me nauseous.

cover20 · 2015-07-18T21:02:01+00:00

He doesn't know if it's his. Nobody does.

The right thing to do, it seems to me, is for him to speak to her privately and for her to arrange a paternity test. If it's her husband's, then fine. (The guy can provide a sample of his DNA. If it's not a match, then hopefully we can assume it's the husbands, or it may be easy for her to get a sample of his DNA discreetly, around the house.)

If it's his, then the wife has to own up to her behavior (she would be found out immediately if he reported it anyway) and take the consequences. Probably they divorce and she marries this guy, and maybe they live happily ever after raising their kid. Current husband is off the hook, wiser for the experience, and his game may have reached the point he can have a wife and impregnate her himself, many times.

Paternity Fraud: Examples + Discussion

Most men would rather be raped than be victims of paternity fraud

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Title	Paternity Fraud: Examples + Discussion
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