Testosterone

DingFuckinDong · 2013-08-05T18:36:42+00:00

As someone currently doing graduate research in neuroscience, I wanna raise the "Slow Down" flag here. The role of sex hormones in our biology is extremely complex and not very well understood. The idea that artificially jacking up your T-levels is going to be great for you is, at least given the evidence I see here, specious.

That being said, if the advice you're following is Exercise, Eat Well, Sleep More, Manage Stress, Fuck More, you're going to be happier and healthier regardless of the effect of these activities on testosterone.

__var · 2013-08-05T18:05:47+00:00

Sex, often. Little to no masturbation.

Does your body really know the difference? In terms of testosterone production.

Afroemo · 2013-08-05T17:20:16+00:00

I am my self doing steroid cycle till next summer . I'm using testosterone based steroid . The way you behave and feel definitely changes specially when you are gaining strength and muscle weekly . What i have notice a lot of 30-40 year old dudes who are all on testosterone enanthate , some of the cruising for 2 years straight . 3 years ago not single one of them would admit it using steroids , today almost all the dudes i have met at the gym talks about it freely .

TheGoodBro · 2013-08-05T20:37:38+00:00

Does extensive caffeine use affect testosterone levels?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18458357

Abstract INTRODUCTION:

Interest in the use of caffeine as an ergogenic aid has increased since the International Olympic Committee lifted the partial ban on its use. Caffeine has beneficial effects on various aspects of athletic performance, but its effects on training have been neglected. PURPOSE:

To investigate the acute effect of caffeine on the exercise-associated increases in testosterone and cortisol in a double-blind crossover study. METHODS:

Twenty-four professional rugby-league players ingested caffeine doses of 0, 200, 400, and 800 mg in random order 1 hr before a resistance-exercise session. Saliva was sampled at the time of caffeine ingestion, at 15-min intervals throughout each session, and 15 and 30 min after the session. Data were log-transformed to estimate percent effects with mixed modeling, and effects were standardized to assess magnitudes. RESULTS:

Testosterone concentration showed a small increase of 15% (90% confidence limits, +/- 19%) during exercise. Caffeine raised this concentration in a dose-dependent manner by a further small 21% (+/- 24%) at the highest dose. The 800-mg dose also produced a moderate 52% (+/- 44%) increase in cortisol. The effect of caffeine on the testosterone:cortisol ratio was a small decline (14%; +/- 21%).

CONCLUSION:

Caffeine has some potential to benefit training outcomes via the anabolic effects of the increase in testosterone concentration, but this benefit might be counteracted by the opposing catabolic effects of the increase in cortisol and resultant decline in the testosterone:cortisol ratio.

That is short term use, but goes up to fairly large doses (800mg), whereas the average cup of coffee has ~150 mg.

Long Term use

http://www.nutritionj.com/content/11/1/86/abstract

After a two-week run-in phase with caffeine abstention, we conducted an 8-week parallel-arm randomized controlled trial. Healthy adults (n = 42) were recruited from the Boston community who were regular coffee consumers, nonsmokers, and overweight. Participants were randomized to five 6-ounce cups of caffeinated or decaffeinated instant coffee or water (control group) per day consumed with each meal, mid-morning, and mid-afternoon. The main outcome measures were SHBG and sex hormones [i.e., testosterone, estradiol, dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate].

No significant differences were found between treatment groups for any of the studied outcomes at week 8. At 4 weeks, decaffeinated coffee was associated with a borderline significant increase in SHBG in women, but not in men. At week 4, we also observed several differences in hormone concentrations between the treatment groups. Among men, consumption of caffeinated coffee increased total testosterone and decreased total and free estradiol. Among women, decaffeinated coffee decreased total and free testosterone and caffeinated coffee decreased total testosterone.

So it will raise test in men in the short term, but in the long term, there is no difference.

Phaint · 2013-08-05T21:20:56+00:00

Does refraining from masturbation and/or porn use have initial positive effects but result in a flatlining testosterone level going forward?

I present this ROK post as evidence of the opposite. (No testosterone readings, but the state he describes matches that of a high test alpha male): http://www.returnofkings.com/13587/the-benefits-of-not-masturbating

Amuro_Rey · 2013-08-05T21:34:24+00:00

I love Low T due to a medical condition, the lowest it had gone was 205. I've been using Testosterone gel for a month and 6 days. Although my doctor said I wouldn't notice a difference for at least a few months, I already feel as if my urge to take action and do things has risen. I started exercising and lifting weights more often. I don't know what my T levels are right now; I'm supposed to get my levels checked again in another month.

There is NO reason not to go get your T levels checked. It takes about 5 minutes to get your blood drawn, and they have your results in a couple days. Even if you think you have no problem, it's worth getting checked.

Also, I would like to thank TRP users for spreading the good word about testosterone. On other seduction based websites there is neither hide nor hair about T levels. A damn shame, if you ask me.

2013-08-05T18:43:46+00:00

Zinc

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16648789

The present study aims to investigate how exhaustion exercise affects thyroid hormones and testosterone levels in elite athletes who are supplemented with oral zinc sulfate for 4 weeks.

METHODS: The study included 10 male wrestlers, who had been licensed wrestlers for at least 6 years. Mean age of the wrestlers who volunteered in the study was 18.70 +/- 2.4 years. All subjects were supplemented with oral zinc sulfate (3 mg/kg/day) for 4 weeks in addition to their normal diet. Thyroid hormone and testosterone levels of all subjects were determined as resting and exhaustion before and after zinc supplementation.

RESULTS: Resting TT3, TT4, FT3, FT4 and TSH levels of subjects were higher than the parameters measured after exhaustion exercise before zinc supplementation (p<0.05).Both resting and exhaustion TT3, TT4 and FT3 values after 4-week zinc supplementation were found significantly higher than both of the parameters (resting and exhaustion) measured before zinc supplementation (p<0.05). Resting total testosterone and free testosterone levels before zinc supplementation were significantly higher than exhaustion levels before zinc supplementation (p<0.05). Both resting and exhaustion total and free testosterone levels following 4-week zinc supplementation were found significantly higher than the levels (both resting and exhaustion) measured before zinc supplementation (p<0.05).

CONCLUSION: Findings of our study demonstrate that exhaustion exercise led to a significant inhibition of both thyroid hormones and testosterone concentrations, but that 4-week zinc supplementation prevented this inhibition in wrestlers. In conclusion, physiological doses of zinc administration may benefit performance.

2013-08-05T20:23:41+00:00

Creatine Monohydrate

Wikipedia

Creatine is a nitrogenous organic acid that occurs naturally in vertebrates and helps to supply energy to all cells in the body, primarily muscle. This is achieved by increasing the formation of adenosine triphosphate (ATP).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1691485/:

A placebo-controlled double-blind experiment found that a group of subjects composed of vegetarians and vegans who took 5 grams of creatine per day for six weeks showed a significant improvement on two separate tests of fluid intelligence, Raven's Progressive Matrices, and the backward digit span test from the WAIS. The treatment group was able to repeat longer sequences of numbers from memory and had higher overall IQ scores than the control group. The researchers concluded that "supplementation with creatine significantly increased intelligence compared with placebo."

Nothing about testosterone. It simply increases the amount of ATP that is available, helping to build muscle mass faster due to you being able to lift more. It also has some effect on intelligence.

soapjackal · 2013-08-05T22:15:09+00:00

I concur with everything except morning wood indicator. I would also recommend eating more protien, adding vitamin k2 to improve d3 absorption as well as 3 more natural supps

Magnesium (no aspartic acid) Eurycoma Longifolia Mucuna Pruiens

Which keep your body from breaking down free testosterone.

Necromaze · 2013-08-06T02:04:29+00:00

How does Wanking vs having sex differ from raising your T? I'm confused because the end result is the same. Cum.

dandsed · 2013-08-05T19:28:12+00:00

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2013-08-05T20:28:31+00:00

Is melatonin use a testosterone inhibitor?

http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/15/1/60.full?ijkey=ac15bd42ca3d3660a9e42c940a0454a5a200f41c

The role of melatonin in the regulation of reproduction in humans is still controversial. In the present study the effects of melatonin were examined, 6 mg given orally every day at 1700 h for 1 month in a double-blind, placebo controlled fashion, on the nocturnal secretory profiles of luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle stimulating hormone (FSH), testosterone and inhibin β in six healthy adult men. Serum concentrations of LH, FSH, testosterone and inhibin β were determined before and after treatment every 15 min from 1900 to 0700 h over 3 nights in a controlled dark-light environment with simultaneous polysomnographic sleep recordings. The following sleep parameters were determined: total recording time, sleep latency, actual sleep time, sleep efficiency, rapid eye movement (REM) sleep latency and percentages of sleep stages 2, 3/4 and REM.

There were no statistically significant differences in all sleep parameters between baseline and placebo or between baseline and melatonin except for longer REM latency and lower percentage REM at baseline than under melatonin treatment. These are explained as reflecting first-night effect at baseline. The mean nocturnal LH, FSH, testosterone and inhibin β integrated nocturnal secretion values did not change during the treatment period. Likewise, their pulsatile characteristics during melatonin treatment were not different from baseline values. Taken together, these data suggest that long-term melatonin administration does not alter the secretory patterns of reproductive hormones in normal men.

2013-08-05T21:24:06+00:00

How does one get tested?

Go to the doctor and tell him you want your testosterone levels tested. Its pretty accurate.

You could also do this: www.amazon.com/Testosterone-Hormone-Balance-Level-Test/dp/B00846GYCK

But I cant vouch for its accuracy.

2013-08-06T00:17:40+00:00

This thread came in just in time, considering I'm seeing a doctor for blood work on Wednesday and an endocrinologist about this sometime in the near future.

DingFuckinDong · 2013-08-05T21:41:44+00:00

If you guys are paleo/primal consider taking Lugol's iodine or eating seaweed because it's likely you're iodine deficient. Iodine fuels the thyroids hormone production which cascades down into testosterone.

Don't eat from plastic.

Don't eat lots of soy(or any at all).

Get out in the fucking sun for at least 15 minutes a day.

Don't be afraid of red meat/eggs.

Fuck bitches, get T.

AnasRexGottfried · 2013-08-05T19:24:09+00:00

Tips:

Avoid flax, soy, shitty vegetable seed oils, and other plants/grooming products containing phytoestrogens.

Eat healthy saturated fats from healthy grass fed cows/sheep and other ruminants.

I highly recommend /r/paleo.

Along with the ZMA and D supplements, which I highly recommend, consider 10 mg of boron a day.

http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2010/12/new-study-says-boron-does-indeed-raise.html

Your body works on 90 minute sleep cycles, shoot for 7.5 or 9 hours every night.

Squat. Even if you don't lift at all. Squat 5x5 heavy sets every other day. It only takes 15 minutes.

In my 30s, I wake up every day with wood.

Phaint · 2013-08-05T16:42:52+00:00

I believe increasing testosterone levels gives men the drive to pursue success, pursue women, ravage them, increases sexual ability, naturally increases female biological attraction, eliminates erectile disfunction, increases energy levels, deepens voice, a very significant part of a healthy lifestyle & raises confidence in many ways. A sort of aura surrounds a man with high levels of testosterone. These are the core motivations behind raising my testosterone levels.

madstatistician · 2013-08-05T21:41:52+00:00

ITT broscience.

If you are not achieving morning wood every morning you likely have sub-optimal testosterone levels

Totally unfounded bullshit.

Testosterone levels of the present day are due to your behavior and consumption patterns of the previous day and prior

Testosterone levels are most likely due to genetics.

Increased testosterone levels ellevates mood/energy levels and eliminates mental fog

Possibly, assuming you have low testosterone levels to begin with. Depressed mood and "mental fog" can be caused by anything, or nothing. Testosterone might be the problem, but probably not.

Simple methods of increasing testosterone

Most of this is good general health advice, but short of taking exogenous testosterone (shots, etc), there is little evidence any of it will raise your testosterone levels significantly above your natural baseline.

jakethesnake76 · 2013-08-05T18:01:35+00:00

Endocrinologist told me to take some testosterone (said would help my moods and clear my thinking) So i took his treatments for 30 days and that turned me from the Blue piller to a Red Pill man. i can't take Whey so i take rice protein , and lift 5 days a week, wore me knee out so went and got it scoped and back on the treadmill, Life is Good ..EDIT:

<Also Arnold is on kidney dialisis, which is increadibly painful and something he has to do often. http://kidney.niddk.nih.gov/kudiseases/pubs/highblood/ Yes when my Dr. proscribed this cream Testosterone , i was required to use rubber gloves when applying it under my arm pits, so steriod use is very dangerous and look up Lyle Alzado former Raiders football stars end of life (was not pretty)

kyrpa · 2013-08-05T18:23:20+00:00

D-Aspartic Acid has some natural testosterone-increasing properties. It's typically found in "natural" test-boosters. Just is still out as to how effective it really is.

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TheDon835 · 2013-08-06T02:50:20+00:00

Shit I masturbate A LOT.

10199 · 2013-08-06T07:11:49+00:00

my 5 cents; on best russian site about supplements there is an article about ZMA, saying (with proofs from medical researches) that ZMA is a complete waste of money.

jngshin · 2013-08-05T21:57:44+00:00

Testesterone is the core/foundation of being a man.

I've been on a D-Aspartic Acid / Erase stack. Didn't notice any significant effects.

If you want to boost testesterone and are already living a healthy lifestyle, steroids are pretty much your only answer.

qemist · 2013-08-05T22:00:34+00:00

Sex, often. Little to no masturbation.

What's the evidence for that? I'm a little dubious about the idea that the endocrine system can tell whether an orgasm is caused by rubbing against a fleshlight or a vagina. I'm open to evidence based persuasion.

fodosho · 2013-08-05T22:30:56+00:00

Stopped reading after

Consumption of specific items contain estrogen derivates and will have negative effects on your testosterone levels

Title	Testosterone
Author	Phaint
Upvotes	89
Comments	111
Date	August 5, 2013 4:36 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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