The difference between Alpha and Beta

moiez326 · 2014-10-14T18:05:54+00:00

love this fable. I will tell it to my kids someday

b0jack_horseman · 2014-10-14T18:09:12+00:00

The pickup arts are merely a metaphor. It is a microcosm of every other struggle in life. It is one area where there is a clear goal, a clear fear, and a clear action to take all in a moment

I need to make this my wallpaper

thecommonreactor · 2014-10-14T20:40:59+00:00

"Surely the test will be one of smirk, as that is the true measure of a man.”

teampicklemouse · 2014-10-14T20:01:49+00:00

Is this like, fan fiction to alpha men?

Axotl · 2014-10-14T20:14:39+00:00

Really similar writing style to Pook, it's probably the same person.

RedPillDad · 2014-10-14T19:53:01+00:00

It is one area where there is a clear goal, a clear fear, and a clear action to take all in a moment.

In the seductive arena, feedback is immediate. Timidity and weakness are laid bare. In business, you can fool yourself blind following a "passion" to a tragic end. Slow death by self-deception.

If you can bring the immediacy of seduction into your business approach, you have the potential to fail faster to win bigger.

xCUMcoveredDICKx · 2014-10-14T21:18:04+00:00

The real winners here are the ones who didn't need to, and/or didn't feel compelled to compete in the first place. I'm not sure why "the man" would go running to the king in the first place - it felt way out of character to me.

You also ruined something interesting, and well written by writing one of the lamest, and stupidest characters I've ever read: The king.

“Silence you fools!”

“You have missed the point, you blithering retard!”

Really? Then he goes off, and starts to mumble about morals in dull monologues. You need to be more sublime with these things, and metaphoric so the reader can think for themselves, read something interesting, and not feel like they're being preached at.

hozeomaru · 2014-10-14T20:33:47+00:00

To be honest, I thought this was a /u/GayLubeOil story at first.

TaylorWolf · 2014-10-14T19:55:21+00:00

sigh so true. I am a tall and gorgeous dude who trains MMA. All women are drawn to me and give me intense looks of lust and try to position themselves close to me hoping I make a move.

As soon as my timid personality comes out, or I show submissive body language, they do a 180 and some of them actually get legitimately angry at me as if I had rejected them. Some get afraid and assume I am a "creep". But they ALL start off absolutely drawn to me, expressing intense desire.

Looks aren't everything people. In fact they almost aren't anything. (That is if you can't confidently engage.)

It's almost a curse, because you are shown what you COULD pull if only you had the social skills.

PlanB_pedofile · 2014-10-14T18:56:37+00:00

Sidebar story? Humorous, well written, modern, redpilled, informative, to the point.

There will always be people who excel and are better than you in many aspects, but it's the one who takes the shot actually plays the game.

NietzscheanStoic · 2014-10-14T18:29:18+00:00

Of all the advice that can be given here, maintaining frame is the best -- as this story demonstrates.

Never_See_You_Again · 2014-10-14T21:19:31+00:00

this is garbage from a literary standpoint...reads too much like those fanfic pornos people make...but all the right messages are there so I endorse this.

nothing wrong with the cliches and the characterization

the king and his temper, non-frame-holding insults are cringey to read; why is he the king if he demonstrates such an immature attitude?

the man does all the right things but the authors prose while writing them is corny and cringey

It's like when you are a kid and have a great story idea in your head so you can get away with all those corny lines in your head but don't actually take the time to write it well.

I'll just say that adverbs and adjectives are garbage for writing. Hemingway taught us this. The author should stop using so much of that and start using strong verbs to get his point across. This lends to the idea that actions speak louder than words: a very RP philosophy.

but I will upvote because the lesson overall is more important than the penmanship. The author must read more fiction than nonfiction to write like this.

Moresolater · 2014-10-14T21:52:21+00:00

This is the gayest shit I've ever read. This is a redpill micro version of fifty shades of grey, total bullshit. Average man wins, just by trying! Line up for your participation medals boys, all you have to do is try. I suppose if they had all surrounded her in a night at the Roxbury dry hump fest they all would have been crowned king of RP fan-fiction land.

Trying is not succeeding. You need to try to succeed, but if you always fail you don't have the tools for the task you have taken on. You're actually mildly retarded if you can't semi-accurately asses whether you are ready for any given task. Retards try to climb Everest with no experience, and they die, as they should, 'cause they're stupid, and so are you if you liked this trash.

MarcusDavidson · 2014-10-14T22:01:16+00:00

The Flinch by Julien Smith describes the process of overcoming crippling anxiety. It's one of the best self help books I've read.

tombreck2 · 2014-10-14T23:31:30+00:00

All the gold, trophies and maidens can’t compare to the prize of a man who has conquered himself!

this line reminds me of the metaphor of the man being his own sculptor, and how it is uncomfortable to mold the piece of rock into a beautiful creation.

great story btw

2014-10-15T06:02:26+00:00

What the hell?! I didn't get to read it because I was busy.

BhiQ · 2014-10-15T00:37:09+00:00

My god, don't let the blue pill guys see this.

This whole neckbeardy fable shit is exactly the kind of stuff they are capable of.

I am embarassed by this post.

djvita · 2014-10-14T20:55:22+00:00

this reminded me of pook's posts in sosuave. i enjoyed it OP!

LaidBackStrat · 2014-10-14T21:26:42+00:00

I made a post on a thread about "What's wrong with Beta Bux?" about the differences between Alphas and Betas, what defines them and why it matters. Only now did I get through reading this one, and I think my answer to that thread fits this one as well.

The first thing we have to mention is that TRP is amoral. There aren't any standard "rights" or "wrongs", hell, TRP advocates for three completely different sexual strategies (LTRs, plating and MGTOW) and all of them are fine. What we can mention, and do, is what makes someone's life better from a happiness standpoint. People who have lots of sex tend to be happier than people who don't, for example, and thus PUA theory is seen as "right", while beta orbiting is seen as "wrong". That's only an example, but that's the gist of it. Now onto the actual answer:

The differences between Alphas and Betas are way more than simply "one is a hunk who gets girls because he can, while the other attracts them with his money". The world doesn't work like that.

From a hooking up stand point - betas in general don't have casual sex, aside from girls with really low SMV that they fuck as a desperation lay. They don't have the charisma or character necessary to become a person with recognizable high value, and thus, girls don't recognize it, despite of any actual value being there or not. Alphas are sexually attractive, and Betas aren't.

That makes it so that girls who are "beta provided" don't "give out" sex on a regular or even common basis. Sex will be rare, begged for and will have an increasing price, so instead of being a fun act between two willing people, it will be something that one of the parts begs for weeks on end to happen, and the other "allows it to happen" so that the Beta can breathe again for the following weeks. What this results in is passion-less, unfun, unmotivated and bad quality sex, that ends when the guy cums cause the girl is only waiting for him to finish. So both parts end up sexually frustrated (if the girl doesn't cheat on him) and the relationship has a power dynamic based on sex. And because of it, the women is the one completely dominating the relationship, which ends up with her losing respect for him (because culturally, men are supposed to lead sexually) and fucks up the relationship on many different levels.

But let's go deeper than that.

From a socialization stand point, Alphas lead, and Betas follow. That's the main difference really, aside from the sexual attractiveness differences. What this means is that Betas can't really be part of a real brotherhood with Alphas, and vice versa, as they won't be on equal footing. I'm an Alpha with pretty nerdy interests, for one, and people that share my interests are usually Betas. This means that, aside from maybe small exchanges of opinion, even things like an honest discussion about the state of our hobbie or the community it has will end up with him nodding away at all I say and merely expanding on it at most, even if he disagrees completely. And in the same way, a Beta wouldn't fit in with a group of Alphas because while they're all busy doing things they want to (be it as a group or not), he'll be following them around. If a Beta goes with a group of Alphas to a club, he'll eventually either stay behind while everyone else already has a hook up and/or ride home, or drag one of his closest friends from the group out of the fun as well.

People who respect themselves and in groups with people who respect each other, generally don't have the greatest interactions with people spend more time pitying themselves for not being able to do what they want to than trying to do what they want to do.

This can be seen occasionally in girls too, though they use it to protect themselves - if you want to get with the HB9 with the amazing ass, you sometimes have to get through their fat friends. And Betas get stuck at the door, while Alphas ignore the door (thus passing that particular shit test) and get with the girl they want.

And yeah, maybe a Beta, low SMV, bland girl will have the happiest fucking relationship with a Beta provider. They're equals, after all, it only makes sense if that's the case.

But the same way a RedPiller at his peak (Alpha state, super fit, peak SMV, good attention to fashion, chubby wallet and stable job) will have a bad time in a relationship with the Beta girl I mentioned, the Alpha girl and the Beta male as a couple fail. You could argue that the Alpha male gets the pussy, willingness to please and stability that comes with dating that kind of Beta girl, and that she gets a higher social value for associating with him and the economic stability to do what she wants, but there still isn't a spark.

RobbyTheLifeguard · 2014-10-14T22:54:34+00:00

Phaint · 2014-10-15T01:35:29+00:00

I haven't decided what I liked better. This post or its critiques.

dashmar1414 · 2014-10-15T01:55:25+00:00

Thank god no one needed tree fiddy...

ZamatoElite · 2014-10-15T02:17:25+00:00

The greatest man wouldn't have even showed up to such a stupid competition.

RedSunBlue · 2014-10-15T02:22:15+00:00

This fable is only tangentially related to alpha/beta as it is supposed to be used in this sub.

Overcoming your fears and great and all, but it's not necessarily alpha or beta unless it triggers a fux or bux reaction in women.

I know some semi-narcissists who are full of actual insecurity and fears, yet they get laid like tile because they project an air of self-confidence that girls just lap up.

Yes, it is ultimately better for your life and for society if you draw your own sense of self-worth from accomplishments and the overcoming of your fears. However, it's not necessary for eliciting a response from females.

tombreck2 · 2014-10-15T02:24:32+00:00

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easyrandomguy · 2014-10-15T04:46:26+00:00

i was really looking forward to reading this. do you have it stashed away and saved somewhere?

easyrandomguy · 2014-10-15T05:45:48+00:00

http://www.redditlog.com/snapshots/1120353

waldo888 · 2014-10-14T23:11:37+00:00

the fairytale of redpill finally put into words....what a colossal waste of time...

Acrotic · 2014-10-14T18:36:25+00:00

Just what I needed before going to get some booty.

AllMenDrip · 2014-10-14T20:08:10+00:00

I'm not nitpicking but your story reads like a Disney fairytale. In reality success breeds success and failure breeds failure. When you fall once as in your story the picture still looks rosy but tell a guy who has been rejected hundreds of times over and over again that he's a winner for trying. Also people build confidence on their assets , talents, mother nature gifts etc... Even that RP crackhead tramp does seem to have unlimited confidence built on nothing. But when you look closer he has a lot of charisma and his confidence probably snowballed from past successes and the fact that his vision is clouded from his use of powerful narcotics, so failure doesn't seem to affect him.

In fact I also hate people saying that participating is more important than winning. No. Winning is more important than winning.

RedPillSafe · 2014-10-14T18:53:30+00:00

Great story.

Neatly defines the Red Pill without mentioning the Red Pill.

Timeless.

Long_dan · 2014-10-14T20:01:20+00:00

Somebody has to tell you an incredibly long winded story about this? What is this place? The Losers Union Convention? I am going to play Minecraft now... because I feel like it, not to test my wits and ability.

ShagggyDog · 2014-10-14T20:50:49+00:00

I was waiting for The Man to blow up something and walk towards the camera. Damn it, OP.

draketton · 2014-10-14T21:15:11+00:00

success > failed but admirable attempts

this story is rubbish

raiseurT · 2014-10-14T22:11:20+00:00

That was fucking stupid, first of all some of the other men showed the ability to find a goal and accomplish it. (the rich guy and the string guy) secondly anyone can approach, approaching is simple and easy as fuck. Especially when you think you're going to fail, it's almost like those internet social experiment pranks. Just swallow your pride and blurt out some words even if you sound stupid and have no intent on finishing. The guy didn't even continue to pursue after she said she had a boyfriend so his intent couldn't have been that strong.

Vietnom · 2014-10-14T22:35:55+00:00

Somebody needs to say it. You can downvote me all you want or ban me or whatever, even though I have respect for TheRedPill and an understand of what it's about it, even though I don't always participate.

Shit like this is making TRP look like a parody of itself. That the king is even aware of "the pickup arts" tips the hand that this is myopic as fuck. Not saying that life isn't all about sex at the end of the day, because it is, but the pickup arts are just a small part of that. Most people don't know about it or think about it.

Title	The difference between Alpha and Beta
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	287
Comments	92
Date	October 14, 2014 3:45 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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