Toxic argumentative females should be avoided at ALL costs they will poison your life, your social circles and will bring you down, my personal example.

wittymore · 2018-02-17T18:59:42+00:00

Stay away from toxic people, period. Male or female. The neckbeard SJW is just as dangerous for your mental health and social status as the rampant female borderliner.

There are plenty of interesting and constructive people to hang around with. Both male and female.

When you do encounter a toxic person you can't walk away from immediately, take a look at what it is they're representing. Some things are always going to trigger healthy people, because they are so out of bounds for what is appropriate and social.

Thing is that you still control your own behavior, if you can become aware of what is happening. It is a worthy investment my friend, to develop frame in these situations as well.

TunedtoPerfection · 2018-02-17T18:50:16+00:00

Why are you arguing with women?

What about her statements bother you so much that you had to lose your frame?

What did she touch on that your afraid to confront in yourself?

answer these questions and you will not be in this situation again.

Women like this will bring forward what you fear most, conquer that and they have no power over you and will become puddy in your hands.

monadyne · 2018-02-17T20:01:36+00:00

Avoid such people? Are you serious? To avoid someone means they have power over you, power that you yourself have ceded to them. In this instance, you allowed yourself to get sucked into a black hole argument with an illogical psycho. Dude, that's on you, not her. It's your responsibility to manage your reality and not permit such arguments to foul your personal atmosphere.

So, how do you stop such a fracas from developing? If someone says something provocative and you respond by saying, "Well, I simply disagree" then that leaves her open to saying, "Why? What specifically do you disagree with, then?" ...and you're stuck with entering into the argument.

If you respond with, "Well, I don't want to discuss this with you" then you look like a pussy who can't mount a defense. "What's the matter? You afraid to challenge my ideas? That just shows you know I'm right."

What you need is a way to stop the whole argumentative process in its tracks... and here it is. Simple, but incredibly powerful, you respond to ANY provocative statement with these three words: "There you go!"

Her: "Cis gendered white males are the privileged beneficiaries of the patriarchy!"

You: "There you go!"

or, Him: "We're in the grips of man-caused climate change and unless we ban internal combustion engines in five years, the entire East Coast will be underwater."

You: "There you go!"

This stops the discussion dead in its tracks. The phrase feels vaguely like you're agreeing with them, or at least not dis-agreeing with them... although it only refers to them, not you. Since it's not in any way challenging, the instigator has nothing further to say. Boom. Done.

Feel free to add a slight little single head shake or nod, or even a subtle finger gun as you utter the magic phrase.

Try this out a few times in non-critical situations, just to watch it work. "Boy, I'll bet Tom Brady was bullshit that he lost the Super Bowl!"

"There you go!"

...Nothing more to be said after that.

Okay, so rather than running away from toxic individuals, showing that you're afraid of what they might say or do, just use your skills to maintain total frame in their presence. They present great opportunities to demonstrate "amused mastery" of any situation.

BurnoutRS · 2018-02-17T19:56:29+00:00

You're squandering some amazing opportunities to really enjoy the sheer insanity that humanity is capable of.

Your line "I made a fool of myself"

Is the whole of the post. If you cant handle yourself around people like this, the only way to become more competant is practice. You let yourself get baited into an argument. as soon as you became emotionally invested in what was happening, you lost.

IlIlIlIl1Il · 2018-02-19T12:09:24+00:00

She tested you. You lost. Read the sidebar. Practice, fail, repeat - until you stop failing.

When women see you as intellectually, sexually, and/or physically formidable, they do not challenge you. Even if you just show enough bravado, they will not mess with you. If, however, you toss out BS ideological crap, provocative statements that are based on weak data and can easily be swatted away, or any other weakness - they WILL eat you alive for it.

PS - Your spelling indicates that you are not an intellectual powerhouse. Read my first sentence and while you are at it, pick up a few books. Good luck. This will be painful, but you can do it.

TheScarletScholar · 2018-02-17T20:06:30+00:00

Alternative option: maintain better control of yourself and build your frame instead of losing composure and running away from those you irrationally fear.

brokor21 · 2018-02-18T14:03:00+00:00

My sister is a charismatic loveable toxic SJW. For the longest time she dragged me into useless arguments and I lost respect from peers and older generation alike. I was always in the wrong, firstly because she is my sister so I should always be caring and respectful for her, secondly cause I am obviously much more intelligent than her thus I was showing off by making her loose any and every argument. Our relationship caused problems with my brother, my parents, my friends even my girlfriends. Last 2 years I have stopped caring and responding and it has made everyone appreciate how she has always been the one forcing arguments and provoking a response. She calls me a fascist, a pedolhile, any easy insult to illicit a response yet I remain calm and say I dont need to comment. Whatever. My parents still coddle her but a few hours after admit siding with me but playing her side so she doesnt feel isolated and breaks down crying.

Just avoid arguments with females. You will look like the bad guy who is trying to force your ideas on her. You can never win.

revente · 2018-02-18T02:27:34+00:00

Well if you arguing with a stupid toxic girl over a nonsense, the chances are you are a stupid toxic person yourself.

victordmor · 2018-02-19T21:37:29+00:00

Yeah, I agree with that. Last year I cut a lot of toxic people that were around for 5+ years. Enough is enough.

yomo86 · 2018-02-18T13:49:13+00:00

If you had kept your silence, you would have stayed a philosopher.

Don't know what to say, don't know if arguing will benefit you at all? Just shut the fuck up, raise an eyebrow, continue what you were doing or give a look. But don't engage if it is not an assault at your character.

ThickFishingLine · 2018-02-19T05:30:31+00:00

People like this of either gender should be avoided.

Surrounding yourself with pleasant, independent, and loyal people should be your first priority, male or female.

throwlaca · 2018-02-18T06:19:41+00:00

standard 8-10 on the dating market, she pumps dumps, receives constant flattering texts where she brags how much beta billy is into her and how she makes fun of his futile efforts to get her. She is also an alpha widow

This is so typical. I was one of those beta billis and it seems we are talking about the same girl. BPD, not even once.

She would NEVER question her alpha, not a chance. She will question anybody because in her mind, she belongs to him, for ever. She's a widow, all other men are below her.

bvg68 · 2018-02-18T17:21:22+00:00

A man's time and attention are extremely valuable; never waste it on crazy people; leave and spin another plate

bsutansalt · 2018-02-19T04:16:26+00:00

Simple solution: stop interacting with fat people. I realized this not too long ago that fat women are the most negative people to be around socially in my experience. This isn't even touching on all the Cluster A and Cluster B personalities out there.

Forget the spoiled cheese smell they often have... their personalities for some reason, especially the older ones in their late 20s and older, are just the worst people I've ever had to deal with. They can put on the bubbly personality to try to make up for being fat, but if and when that fails, whoa boy do they get negative and bring everyone around them down with them. Good looking women do this too, but they at least can bounce back pretty quick when the next guy comes along 30 seconds later.

I have my theories as to what they're so miserable, in fact many of you can probably guess at the obvious ones.

chazthundergut · 2018-02-19T06:25:59+00:00

You should never have engaged in any argument with her, especially in public. That was your real mistake.

Never argue with chicks. It is never worth it.

ShadyMahFuggah · 2018-02-19T08:04:22+00:00

Would be helpful if you elaborated on her tactics, what the argument was about, and at what point you caught yourself losing frame. This field report reads as "bad things happened with girl. avoid bad thing."

pookie513 · 2018-02-18T01:47:06+00:00

At the theater yesterday. Meeting a buddy to watch Black Panther. I arrive first. I hit the atm, want snacks. Young woman gets in line behind me. ATM isn't working right.

Me: "There's something wrong with the atm."

Her:"What did you do to it?

I ignore the accusation.

Few moments later, transaction fails.

Me: "This atm is fucked."

Her: "something about needing the money for tickets."

Me: "There's another one over there."

She heads off to the other atm. I wait to confirm it's not dispensing my cash. I get in line behind her this time. This ATM's alarm light is flashing. It's fucked. Another dude joins us.

Me: "This atm working for you?"

Her: "Yes."

Me: "Red flashing light."

Her: "That's just the alarm light."

Me: "Does that when there's a problem."

Her: "My transaction went thru."

Me: "This atm dispensed your cash?"

Her: "Yes."

She said something...

Me: "Didn't work?"

Her: "No. How am I supposed to get my tickets?"

Me: "Dunno. We should alert the staff tho."

We both get in the ticket line.

Me: " You got this?"

Her: "I think I can get my tickets online."

I let the chick working the ticket booth know neither ATM isn't working and enjoy my movie. Everyone cheered, I made myself wet. Stole a Lambo.

Wasn't about to argue with this chick nor solve her problem.

RosstheMoss81 · 2018-02-17T18:14:31+00:00

Drama queens are ok for short term relationships but exhausting for anything else. Give them the harsh treatment they desire, bang’em, and be gone.

Librehombre · 2018-02-18T03:03:55+00:00

yes,

especially female family members because daddy and uncle will protect little suzy.

seserta · 2018-02-18T06:33:55+00:00

Post introduction to Red Pill, I have started dropping people like crazy from my life. They don't know it of course, but I know it has come down to hanging out with about 3 male friends from having a circle of about a dozen people. It's not like I hate them, but their worldview often turns conversations so very misandrist and the betas eat that shit up and agree. And the toxic women who are going to get into an argument at the drop of a hat, don't even get me started. Previously I would be like - it's okay, it's just a debate. But as soon as I would start using basic logic to break down their nonsensical points, they would just amp up the bizarre rationales. Now, I just smile and nod and move on. Life has never been so peaceful and fulfilling. QED - these people are poison. Must be avoided at all costs.

RasputinGame · 2018-02-18T17:03:40+00:00

You need to meditate so you have a gap to make a decision before you get emotional.

No one should be able to upset you to the point of embarrassing yourself.

dinnerbro69 · 2018-02-19T00:05:47+00:00

Don't bring chicks around your social circle until she has proven she's worthy of your LTR. I'd even suggest some soft tests bringing her around casual friend groups before bringing her around co-workers and colleagues.

I can't believe people this stupid are wasting their time in a graduate program. RIP their future finances.

saucierlol · 2018-02-19T04:57:51+00:00

My ex is a BPD toxic 9/10 girl. She won all the arguments I ever had with her, not because she was right, but because she wouldn't agree that she was wrong and nonsensical 100% of the time. But she also wouldn't let me go away with just a "yeah whatever", I had to agree with her views and her opinion. I had to tell her "yes you are right" or she wouldn't let go. Even the few times when I managed to kind of "flip a switch" in her brain that would make her question herself and tell herself "yeah im probably wrong with this one" (could notice when it happened because she would stumble a little bit) she would shut this little thought down entirely and go down the path or emotion based argument and totally nonsensical logic, borderlining insanity, just to be the one who is right.

So then after some time, I would just tell her what I have to say in the hopes that at least a little bit of it gets into her brain and then just say "but yeah of course I understand your point and you are totally right", so that we could just stop it right then and there.

Imagine having to deal with fights with this person. Impossible. But I hate unfairness, I hate people getting away with things that they are wrong about, or bad behavior. So it was so frustrating to me when I let her go and realized that she hadn't changed a bit. I had made it almost my mission to make her see the truth, but she just wouldn't want to be shown the truth, she wanted to be shown her truth, she wanted me to be just a mirror of her thoughts.

I don't know how these people come to be. She is beautiful, rich, super sexy, really fun to be around, she has everything she wants in life, so why turn to be a such a pain in the ass to every people that engage into a relationship with her? What's to get from it?

varlogmessages · 2018-02-18T02:23:38+00:00

I didn't read what you wrote because after reading the tldr version I determined it would be a waste of my time.

blue_27 · 2018-02-17T23:10:38+00:00

Meh, they will all be as argumentative as you let them. Just shut her argument down. It's a chick, right? Use logic, and talk circles around her. Fuck her feelings.

RedPill_Swinger · 2018-02-18T13:14:17+00:00

They shouldn't! They should be pumped aaaaaand dumped.

zealanderx · 2018-02-18T14:22:59+00:00

To OP-

Yeah man, this is critical...

Guys who are savvy with this stuff... what to do when this person is your sister? I can't give up on my sister- and so far trying to talk the subject over hasn't worked.

Title	Toxic argumentative females should be avoided at ALL costs they will poison your life, your social circles and will bring you down, my personal example.
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Date	February 17, 2018 6:08 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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