"Just let her win arguments and everyone will be happy. The guy will never be right." Is this feminism? I see married men saying this all the time

mushroommountains · 2016-12-05T07:21:00+00:00

It's not feminism, it's just guys being pussies and yes most married men are beta just like most men in general are beta, it's an 80 to 20 ratio. It is a way of becoming submissive to your wife, however, the alternative is NOT to try to win the argument. The proper solution is to not engage in the argument at all. Straight from The 48 Laws of Power:

Law 9: Win through your Actions, Never through Argument - Any momentary triumph you think gained through argument is really a Pyrrhic victory: The resentment and ill will you stir up is stronger and lasts longer than any momentary change of opinion. It is much more powerful to get others to agree with you through your actions, without saying a word. Demonstrate, do not explicate.

Archwinger · 2016-12-05T16:11:13+00:00

This is a half truth.

You should never, ever argue with a woman. Because that is something you do with an equal. When a child attempts to argue with you, you dismiss the child for acting out of hand and not knowing its place. You make fun of the child. You respond to the fact that the child is arguing, not to the substance of the child's argument. You don't attempt to engage the child in a logical discourse, where you explain your position and try to get the child to accept and validate your position as the correct one.

Women argue with emotions. With feelings. You do not respond to feelings with logic. That's throwing gasoline on to a fire. That's telling a woman that her feelings aren't valid and don't matter. That she's wrong to feel the way that she feels. And a woman IS her feelings. They are one and the same. If you tell a woman that the way she feels is wrong (which is what you're saying when you attempt to logically counter something emotional she said), you just called her a stupid cunt who smells like shit.

Additionally, when you attempt to argue with a woman, you elevate her stupid and trivial mood into a serious issue. You give her power. By arguing with her, you have declared, "The way you feel is important. So important that I have diverted myself from what I was doing to bring the full weight of my logical mind and my complete attention to your mood. You dictate what is and is not important in my life. Not me. Additionally, you are right. So right that I am afraid of your rightness. That is why I have had to resort to seriously addressing what you just said, in an effort to try to 'trick' you into thinking the way you feel is wrong by using a lot of words. I am a weak loser who is desperate for your approval and validation. I need you to acknowledge my position as correct. I need you to understand me and validate me. You're the boss here. You're the daddy. You're the leader. And I work diligently for your validation."

When your wife argues and you argue back, you are never "right", even if you logically defeat your wife with words. All you did was waste time and energy and demonstrate to her how weak you are.

RPAlternate42 · 2016-12-05T08:33:50+00:00

This is why fogging is something we do.

I don't like that you did [X] without talking to me.

"That sounds frustrating."

LaRedPill · 2016-12-05T14:42:55+00:00

You can't win an argument with a woman, because they are arguing with feelz, not logic, so whenever you sqash her "point" she will move the post and keep complaining.

That is why we say "women are children", because you don't argue with them, you focus on their feelings.

A&A, Amused mastery, Pressure flip, those are all strategies that turn around any emotional argument on its feet, thus ending it.

"I am angry because you didn't come early at home"
"Yeah the orgy took more time that what we tought"

End of discussion she is rendered powerless.

UnicornChef · 2016-12-05T07:20:55+00:00

There are guys that have lost so many shit tests that they've given up hope for a different outcome where they get what they want. So they've stopped trying (or more accurately, started giving a fuck) and believe that they have more to lose if they go against their SO.

Yes, these are indeed beta males.

Merica911 · 2016-12-05T13:49:56+00:00

You gotta pick your arguments wisely.

First off, shooting, yelling, getting worked up, putting to much attention to, etc etc is a sign of weakness. It's a sign that you have to defend something.

I'm not saying be a complete pushover. I'm saying, if she wants peach color curtains for the bedroom over teal color, and she's a gonna be a little girl over it... Fuck it, peach color it is.. It's not that serious.

Now, if you and your wife made dinner plans with friends or family, let's say a week in advance, knowing that June 8th at 7pm that you guys have to be at this venue and she decides to shop for a outfit at 6:45pm on June 8th, leading a small window of time to be there that something was planned weeks in advance.. You better fucking believe I will start the argument and win on this one.

BlindNowhereMan · 2016-12-05T12:00:52+00:00

It's actually not horrible advice. It the equivalent of STFU. They mean don't engage in a argument that has no impact on anything. Say he is bitching you out.... just say "OK" and end it, the keep doing whatever it was you where doing.

Apexk9 · 2016-12-05T11:08:39+00:00

Its simple supply and demand the men cant get no supply so the women can demand whatever the fuck they want.

BusterVadge · 2016-12-05T13:10:11+00:00

It's bullshit defeatism excuses for being a beta. Not feminism.

the-bum-hammer · 2016-12-05T19:30:01+00:00

Those guys couldn't tell you the last time they had a blowjob, if they've even had one at all. Don't listen to them.

MasterUm · 2016-12-05T08:05:59+00:00

The way to proceed in this conversation is to ask (in a very non-confrontational manner!) "Would you say you are happy in your marriage?". You'll probably get some mixed response, after which you carefully ask about what is good and what is not good. Go into each point, let them talk about it.

LordThunderbolt · 2016-12-06T03:43:54+00:00

Because to them the woman is supposed to be the boss and they're just a dumb male along for the ride. Id's not entirely their fault though, it's what they've been fed by TV for the past 30 years or so.

Happy wife happy life.

Hand over your paycheck to your wife, she's better with money than you. You go work hard like a fucking mule, let her manage the fruit of your hard labor.

brinkleybuzz · 2016-12-05T16:16:30+00:00

It's impossible for a man to win an argument against a woman because we have a need to make sense.

A woman starting an argument with a man is usually a shit test, an attempt by a woman to bring a man into her emotional frame. The best response is to ignore, redirect or belittle her attempt to argue with you.

So men who say "just let let her win arguments ... the man will never be right" are half correct. True, the man will never be right but they are fools to argue with a woman in the first place.

mrpoopistan · 2016-12-05T16:37:30+00:00

Picture how many guys you know who tease their wives and tell her to get them a beer.

Now picture all the "if momma ain't happy, ain't no one happy" guys you know.

End of exercise.

oloug · 2016-12-05T18:39:17+00:00

I highly recommend the book "Never Split the Difference." It was written by an FBI hostage negotiator. The consistently emotional and irrational behavior of the hostage takers is very similar to how women are. This book is so good it should be added to the Red Pill canon.

mummersfarce_is_done · 2016-12-05T19:28:44+00:00

That's because at their current state, they are pussies. Some have been shaped into this form by their women over time, as it is women's nature to pussify their men over time. The others were always pussies to begin with.

You can win arguments with women. The trick is to show dominance, speak with authority; from above her. Ignoring her is showing authority. Speaking with a firm tone is showing authority. Talking down on her is showing authority. Not taking her insipid arguments seriously is showing authority. This doesn't convince them with logic, but you covertly convince them via emotion. Your body language, your tone of voice is important. If you say "calm your tits" with a frail voice, it comes off as insecurity. If you say "yes honey you are right. You are right to feel this way." with a firm voice, it becomes authoritative. Heck, add a bit of aloofness and it becomes agree&amplify.

As an answer to your question, this line of thought probably didn't originate from feminism, but feminism sure as hell strengthened it. Pussification of males = timid husbands.

MattyAnon · 2016-12-05T23:12:19+00:00

This seems sort of beta

It is completely totally and utterly beta.

Women expect to win all arguments, and behave extremely badly to do so.

The correct response to winning an argument is to walk out and/or utterly and completely blank her until she apologises.

Her only fear is lack of emotional commitment. Shouting at her and arguing with her just proves your emotional commitment so it pleases her at some level. Walking out scares her. Being unemotional terrifies her.

Do what works. Blank her.

Seems like a way of becoming submissive to your wife and she would lose all attraction for a guy that always wilts before her.

Yup. Happens every time. Most men are pussies with their wives.

Einen777 · 2016-12-05T11:03:27+00:00

I hear this a lot too and it disgusts me. The temporary "quiet life" that this behaviour might gain will only inform a partner that any issue magnified into an argument will be conceded.

beachbbqlover · 2016-12-05T14:43:21+00:00

I'm married, and I usually regularly call these things out in a way that helps to bring them around rather than pissing them off.

On the other hand, mine seriously disappointed me this week so I've had to stfu and mind my own business. I might leave her shortly, depending.

TheRealMewt · 2016-12-05T11:00:41+00:00

It's cause and effect. Men think they're helping other men when they say "don't argue with your lady" because some poor sap did it once and now he can't ever bury his bone ever again.

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