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[–]TheSunshineMan 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link
This is true, but 95% of the guys in this sub and off this sub all think all that is more important than Game.
A guy can have all of that and still have no girls in his life because he has no Game.
If you want lots of girls in your life learn Game first.
That should be your priority over everything else.
And then do other things along the way.
[–]etherealromance 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link
True but no matter how good your game is You’ll hit a ceiling in terms of the quality of woman you can get regularly
[–]TheSunshineMan 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
Without Game you're getting no girls at all. (Generalization)
[–]etherealromance 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
Plenty of guys don’t know game and still pull because their life is dialed in
[–]TheSunshineMan 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
Not really, not really at all.
With Game it'll be 10-100x versus no game.
There's posts here daily about good looking guys who get lots of IOIs, good job or business, hit the gym and are still virgins or have basically zero success with women except maybe a few girls who did all the work.
[–]etherealromance 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
Game isn’t the end all be all. My friend Keith pulls & he doesn’t know game at all. Simply cuz he’s not repulsive to woman. He’s not even really good looking
[–]Wise_Bit_86 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Was going to say, why need game when you have looks and money.
[–]ProfessionalAffect90 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is a fallacy. Game does not have to be something learned and sounds like your friend has some. I can bet you he is doing something inherently correct with his interactions.
For example I had a friend who was very good with girls. Until I also got very good at cold approach I didn’t understand how he got women.
Now it’s clear as day to me. He isn’t nervous in his interaction, makes good eye contact and body language. He can stay in set for long periods of time ( big mistake I see with newbs) He sexualize the conversation naturally. This is all game and at the end of the night he just goes home with a girl
This big pieces in his game are there and it’s enough to get him laid. Now with mastering other little things he could boost his results even more but he isn’t interested cause he always has abundance anyway.
[–]earsurgery9 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
game is just shooting your shot. People make it sound like black magic haha
[–]TaypHill 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yes, game is end all be all. i don’t know you friend so i can’t say much about that, but game is the key to success in rhis area. The rest is bonus points
[–]TheSunshineMan -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Good Game meaning they can sleep with 100+ girls a year, every single year without fail if they were so inclined.
Even if you're only getting 50 a year, I wouldn't consider that good game.
If they're on that level with no Game, they're the exception, nowhere near the rule.
If these guys are only sleeping with like a girl a month, that's not really all that much.
[–]etherealromance 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If you’re not having romantic ethereal experiences with quality girls that’s not good game IMO
[–]TheSunshineMan 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I see a hot girl I talk to her, get the number, set the date, she comes over and we bang in 30 minutes.
I have no interest in all the strong emotional connection BS. I'm not trying to marry these girls.
[–]etherealromance 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Who cares how many girls you sleep with Irrelevant
[–]kingtechllc 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Jesus Christ 50 girls that’s too much man in a year? Why not have like 5-10 plates. That’s an addiction lol
[–]TheSunshineMan 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's up to you.
Addiction, not for me. I could go months without sex if I wanted to no problem.
I consider it a hobby.
50 girls a year is only 1 new girl a week.
You can sit around and scroll IG, Reddit or watch Netflix or YouTube or have a new girl in your bed.
Which of those you'd rather have is up to you.
[–]kingtechllc 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Fair enough, as long as you're happy. I'd rather have plates where I can skip the first date BS and get consistent sex whenever. Each to their own!
[–]TheSunshineMan1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Definitely no right or wrong way to do it.
[–]etherealromance 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
It’s not about the number of woman it’s the quality
[–]TheSunshineMan 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
If you have good Game, you're getting both.
[–]etherealromance 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Ya I can’t argue with that. But not necessarily For me, my game is fucking lit but my lifestyle for the most part is sub par cuz all I’ve done for the past 10 years is game.
[–]TheSunshineMan2 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
There's no right or wrong on what kind of sex life you want.
But if you want a lot of girls in your life, Game is more important than anything else, and it's not even remotely close.
A list celebrities/athletes don't count.
[–]etherealromance1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Ya I just feel like it would be easier to have a dialed in life than just cold approach
[–]TheSunshineMan3 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Dialed in life doesn't put girls in your bed. Anyone with half a clue about seduction/pickup knows that's basic game 101.
Cold approaching you always have to start from scratch if you have status then you’re a god
[–]etherealromance -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’ve been going out 6 nights a week forever. To sleep with 100 girls would be a joke. But to get quality girls in my life while continuing this lifestyle is a different story
-let me know if you have any advice Ty
[–]AlternativeBird2482 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
fax no printer
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[–]TheSunshineMan 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Find the best person you can find at daygame and listen to what he tells you to do.
Hint - avoid everyone on YouTube as I haven't seen one guy that doesn't make the biggest fundamental flaws, and miss out on most of the girls.
[–]davidnwc 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Who are your top 3 ppl you recommend for daygame?
[–]earsurgery9 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Todd valentine youtube; Or tay social
Just type in pickup on youtube and you'll find many. It's simple though. It's just approaching girls nad shooting your shot
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[–]TheSunshineMan 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
How to pull girls,his advice is to either workout and focus on yourself or that game can't be taught
Whoever says this you should never ever listen to them again.
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[–]ProfessionalAffect90 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I’m a 6,4 white man with blue eyes, muscular and I have an Italian sports car and make north of 350k a year.
I was not successful till I learned game. So believe what you want but I would consider myself intermediate/advanced now and I have a rotation of 5 girls constantly always replacing and adding.
[–]LGTMe 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
WOW rotation of 5 chicks would be my dream. What was your journey? Any recommended books or resources?
I was to platonic. When I learned how to be more physical with good eye contact sexualizing conversations I became a lot more successful. I don’t let any rejection weigh on me either I know My self worth and if a girl doesn’t want to get to know me then her loss honestly.
I like jmulvs stuff and Alex from PWF on YouTube .
[–]BurnItDownSR 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
I agree with u/TheSunshineMan
The majority of people are already focusing too much on lifestyle improvement, even the majority of guys here, what they're really putting off is doing the uncomfortable stuff like actually talking to girls and risking failure, rejection, embarrassment, etc when that gets you much better results in terms of both quality and quantity.
The only way lifestyle improvement can get you better results is if your lifestyle changes are informed by your game. And most high quality seduction advice teaches that anyway. If you've been spending a decade in the field before it ever occurred to you to make lifestyle changes then you probably got crappy seduction advice and that's the real problem.
[–]TheSunshineMan 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Deep down it's all just an excuse.
I call it..
getting ready, to get ready
When I get ripped, then I'll learn game..
When I get a better job, then I'll learn game.
When I get a nicer place, then I'll learn game..
When I get a nicer car, then I'll learn game..
Insert whatever other excuses they can come up with..
All the while they've spent 3-5-10+ years watching hundreds of YT videos and reading thousands of posts on here and yet haven't even talked to 10 girls out in the real world and still at Level 0.
When they could've learned proper game and bang 50-100 girls in their first year if they chose too.
[–]BurnItDownSR 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly! Its like saving up for your whole life to get a Lambo before ever learning to drive thinking that the Lambo will automatically make you a great driver.
[–]Potz666 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have to agree with you, it's a lot easier to do the "prep" work than to take action which is the actual work. I recently found myself single and while I know a good way to learn game is through trial an error with real women out in the real world, I would love to know what resource(s) you recommend to help augment this? Books/courses/audibooks etc?
[–]handiball -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
people over complicate it.
It's so freaking easy. Try to get a cool life, and hit on girls in your spare time. Approach, say hi, flirt and see if you're her type or not. It's obvious fairly fast. If no, move on to the next girl. People are too pussy to try their luck. I learnt game a long time ago
[–]BurnItDownSR 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well this is over-simplified. Its good for certain people though, like those who already have pretty good social skills and those who don't mind taking the shotgun approach. But there are multi-millionaires who are awkward as hell and even fitness models like me who are awkward as hell and advice that simple will absolutely not help.
[–]handiball 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yes, of course having a complete lack of social skills is a killer. If someone needs to literally learn how to hold eye contact and have no idea how to flirt and stuff then they could definitely benefit from reading these PUA books and stuff. But assuming someone is 'normal' (normal social skills, has a friend etc), all they need to do is approach more girls, spark up a convo, and find out if she is interested or not. That's all they can do/all there is too it. It's just a numbers game but most are afraid to play the numbers because rejection hurts teh ego
[–]handiball 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
learn game. That the super easy bit. Approach, ask her stuff and chat, ask her out. Keep doing that and you'll find interetsed girls from time to time who are attracted
[–]Shadykid47 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm in
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Who on Earth uses Fax anymore?
Well I guess some businesses still do.
I remember when I was taking American online college classes in Korea and I still needed to fax things to the American college lol
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