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WorkerBee-3 · 2021-06-15T11:10:53+00:00

You need to be a well rounded male. I like puppies, I'm a nerd and very family oriented. I'll sit with a girl and talk about feeling and cry about experiences. But I'm also not gonna put up with shit from people, and I'll bust open my car or any machine in my house and fix it.

I'll also fuck my girl like an animal and she loves it.

What's going on with the dating guru advice is that there is masculine traits that simply turn women on.

Imagine if a woman wanted to turn you on, stripped naked and started rubbing her body for you to watch. That'd turn you on right?

Well, we have masculine traits that women like to see too. There's a certain level of confidence you can have in life that turns women on. Sometimes that confidence comes with, sharing emotions. Being a good guy in the community. Being passionate about something you understand and are able to achieve.

"Alpha" doesn't mean be a jackass. Alpha means handle what you need to in life and have the people around you feeling comfortable with what you can bring to the table.

Murfdigidy · 2021-06-15T12:16:18+00:00

I've always maintained there's more than one way to skin a cat. There are different personalities and with that different guys will approach women with their different personalities, it doesn't mean being a muscle jock alpha is going to be more effective than a charming smooth guy.

Check out Richard LuRuina on YouTube he's a PUA that I really like, I love his tips because he's all about body language and how you carry yourself that attracts girls. He's not some alpha tough guy he actually seems sort of quiet and laid back, but he's super smooth with girls and by using non verbal cues you can be quite effective with women if you know how to carry yourself.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if youre an extrovert or intravert CONFIDENCE is the #1 aphrodisiac for all women. Confidence is the way you carry yourself and Richard L is super confident even if he is laid back and chill

revente · 2021-06-15T11:56:34+00:00

You don’t have to be a macho. But you have to have a backbone, take no shit from girls, be able to lead etc. Being dominant in bed is a big plus with the girls too.

I’m not convinced with ‚sharing your sensitive side’ tho, i’ve seen enough examples of girls (uncounsciously) not respecting sensitive guys.

JohntheAnabaptist · 2021-06-15T12:04:42+00:00

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_Rynzler_ · 2021-06-15T11:27:50+00:00

I guess my friend isn’t “Alpha” (hate that word). He is very emotional, nerdy all of the above and he can get almost any women. Some women like stone cold guys and some like emotional guys it depends on the women.

Dark_SIayer · 2021-06-15T12:30:12+00:00

Alpha =/ asshole

littlelee795 · 2021-06-15T23:05:17+00:00

Alpha or beta is often pushed but there’s a lot of guy personality types in between. Betas can get women, but i think you should try alpha women. One who is more masculine in her nature. Most women want a dominant n assertive man. But some prefer to be in charge.

Hmmkey · 2021-06-16T08:12:04+00:00

I think You have a wrong perception of alpha, because you mention things like liking arts and puppies as beta characteristics. With your definition of alpha and beta you will get a different answer to your question. Because now the answer would be yes those guys can be good with women, but if you would take my definition of beta which would be something like needy, passive, insecure, emotionally unstable, irresponsible, than the answer would be no, imo next thing would be what does good with women mean, I am sure there are some very good looking guys that are very beta that sleep with a lot of woman so does that mean they are good with women? But I think they are not capable of having healthy relationships with women and keeping high quality women around, so that would mean they are not good with women.

BrutusTheBoss · 2021-06-16T05:41:19+00:00

There's no thing as an "alpha" male. Unless you're some PUA who thinks decent guys don't have a chance to get relationships, you don't need to be "alpha" to get a relationship or just laid really. Yes there are certain qualities that attracts a woman, yet you don't have to be an "alpha male" or perfect to have them.

This community is full of people that think getting a girl is ultimately just a "game", which is disgusting. Getting a girl is about engaging emotionally with her, having certain qualities that attract her (and vice-versa) and then having a supportive and healthy relationship, where you both develop and help each other.

Honestly, apart from getting confidence and getting better at conversation, changing your appearance a little, you don't need to be "the alpha male".

Etoile67gp · 2021-06-16T11:05:16+00:00

Alpha and beta mean absolutely nothing in the real world. There just two more words to categorise people ( essentially men) and then convince them that they should do certain things for the benefit of others.

I live in France ( expat Brit). I was married to a Frenchwoman. French women love men who fit the archetypal image of a masculine man… strong, silent, not showing his inner emotions except to declare his eternal love whilst simultaneously wooing other women. After my divorce I must’ve met well into three figures different women from different social- economic backgrounds and professional levels. Every one wanted a man who was strong, emotionally like a rock, didn’t give a shit attitude and didn’t want the guy doing anything in the home. As soon as I revealed any emotion or said I’d cook a nice meal/ don’t mind sharing household tasks for them the attraction disappeared.

The higher up the social scale and the more educated the woman was the more they wanted a masculine/ extremely self confident/ i don’t give a damn about others/ and someone who didn’t cry and would be seductive in public towards other women type of man. It was like they felt they needed a more masculine man to counterbalance their ‘masculine’ success in life ie having an excellent career, have responsibilities and being independent. They needed a very masculine man to prove to themselves that they were still feminine… I was honest, direct, didn’t put them up on a pedestal, generous, gentlemanly, loved cooking and showing my romantic side, funny and open with my feelings and emotions. These things just turned them off. I was stunned. I got fed up hearing them say ‘ I don’t want a man who’s vulnerable and treats me as his equal. I want a man to depend on and see me as a woman.’ I heard this from dozens of French women as well as Belgian, Spanish, Italian, and Portuguese. They wanted equality in the workplace, education, social rights etc but in the home they wanted a man who would put them in their place making them feel like a ´ real woman’ and never show any emotion ( not my words). Emotions in a man= feminine and a huge turn off in French society. Oh, and their potential male partner has to absolutely earn more than them otherwise they wouldn’t feel ‘feminine.’ This sounds crazy but I got the same thing from well over 100 different women ( the more highly educated/comfortable salary the more it was important for them!)

haha0613 · 2021-06-16T00:28:20+00:00

Very masculine men will always get hotter women and have access to more women. That's just the truth. But also they won't have women commit to them long term.

I think a nice balance with a touch more masculine traits is the most optimal.

GracieFairmont86 · 2021-06-15T14:56:21+00:00

Betas will always lose out. Even if a woman goes for them it is to humour the guy out of pity, it will always be over quick as soon as she finds chad.

Many people mistake a sigma male for a beta, because they are rarely discussed, these are the ones that dont seem like they have the characteristics to succeed with women but they do anyway. This is actually a very hot topic in modern psychology and anthropology, as a sigma was only identified and defined in recent decades.

I always thought I was a loser when i was younger, but i still had beautiful women interested, and i would have denial issues about it wondering why. This concept explains alot, it seems i was sigma by accident the whole time once I learned the concept.

coliinreiid · 2021-06-15T21:37:45+00:00

my dating life has been shitty recently as I never get any matches but a 1 or 2 msgs on pof and Im only seeing 1 girl who agreed to a relationship which will prolly never happen guess this is meant to be. LOL

Own_Industry_240 · 2021-06-15T23:43:19+00:00

A beta can still fuck a lot of women and can get girls, whereas an alpha is someone that can keep her for a long period of time without any commitment. A beta can’t keep girls for a long period of time. I’m not saying beta can’t keep any girl around at all but majority of women he fucks he can’t keep them.

Minute_Normal · 2021-06-16T13:33:26+00:00

As others have said, being well rounded is the way to go. Being super alpha won’t get you a long term relationship (good if that’s a lifestyle you want). I don’t consider myself alpha by any means but I’ve been successful with women. Finding that balance is key.

Ebayunikitty · 2021-06-16T23:47:52+00:00

I’m like a mix of sporty and nerdy

GroundbreakingAd8077 · 2021-06-17T08:07:16+00:00

Being overly tough and manly has ruined one of my relationships, most of those dating gurus can be misleading, and being talkative is always good, should read "the art of seduction" by Robert Green you might fit the feminine dandy archetype, most dating gurus are rakes

ElCuervoMiguel · 2021-06-17T20:09:29+00:00

Dude, Alphas are not so trendy anymore.

Men are hypnotized by alphas just as much women are mesmerized by Disney princesses.

The storytelling has changed.

I am not an alpha.

I am trendy, sensitive, intellectual and cocky when needed, well in shape without being masculine, and I have always had troubles in being respected by "alphas"

But

Girls do love me.

Even lesbian ones!(and those will never sleep with an alpha, for sure).

So forget about alpha,beta, just pick up the al0habet letter you are.

And make it smth unique!

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