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[–]ISw3arItWasntM3 16 points17 points18 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Funny story. I was at work the other day and was trying to practice my kino to get more comfortable with it on a somewhat attractive co-worker. Not trying to escalate anything, just forcing myself to get more comfortable touching people. Long story short, I accidentally hit her hard in the nose and I assume gave her a concussion since she told me she spent the night puking -_-.
[–]gmolinari 9 points10 points11 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Unhelpful, but hilarious.
[–]para-C 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
more details please, did she like the pain ?
[–]TheAccidentOf85 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Touch everybody...touch a girl you're talking to that you're not into, touch your female friends on the arm or shoulder...touch your guy friends on the arm or shoulder....hell do it with family members. The simple touch is just body language that allows you to connect with someone a little further, creates comfort. Touch everybody and soon it will just be natural.
I do still have fear of escalating further....I have no problem touching the arm, holding hands, putting my arm around a girl.... its when I actually like a girl that I get nervous to put my hand on her inner thigh, to touch her stomach...to get more aggressive.... I'm working on getting over that.
Don't worry man, you're getting dates... you'll get each step in the process down eventually. Just keep going for it.
[–]queenw_hipstur 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I have a question that is going to be a precursor to my answers for you. Do watch a lot of porn?
[–]doinit4lulz 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Why does that matter? Genuinely curious over here.
[–]queenw_hipstur 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because if his "experience" regarding seeing women in sexual situations is dominated by viewing them in pornographic situations, I feel like he may be subconsciously measuring himself up against the dudes in porn who are alpha male, aggressors with a "wealth" of sexual experience. This could definitely lead to anxiety over "closing", because I'm assuming this guy isn't alpha male or comfortable playing that role(which he shouldn't have to, of course.)
[–]puaCurveBall 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Like nike says: Just do it.
There is no secret answer or hidden truth here. It is hard, and you have to force yourself to do it. You will feel uncomfortable, you will feel awkward. You will make the rational decision that all of that is worth it for the results. Then you force yourself to do it.
[–]magicroot75 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Recognize that discomfort does not equal danger. Accept the discomfort and adopt a "let's see what happens" attitude with touching. Next time you are with female, and hear the negative self-talk, just say "OK, this is really uncomfortable, but I'm going to be OK with that because it is in my (and her) best interest.
[–]osufan765 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
You force yourself to stop being a little bitch. You're never going to succeed if you don't force yourself to succeed. Just deal with rejection, it's a whole lot easier than dealing with letting yourself down.
[–]twofoot1 points 14 years ago [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link
Yes I know this, but in the moment I'm too in my head, and not present in the moment, to do anything. Is there anything practical I could do? Surely there are others who had to have overcome these fears and found a way to do it.
I just don't know how to change the vibe from friendly to sexual.
[–]ISw3arItWasntM3 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Try kinoing people you don't want to escalate with. Give more high fives, hug instead of shake hands, give a firm pat on the back to people when you congratulate them, put your hand on a friends shoulder if you want to get their attention. Its been helpful for me so far and there's a lot less pressure.
[–]twofoot1 points 14 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
I can do this easily on cold approaches, and with friends and strangers because there's no sexual tension, it's all friendly and non sexual. I've twirled and hugged many girls in cold approaches. It's when I have the date and I'm one on one with the girl that I start to get nervous. Maybe it's a fear of intimacy, but when I'm one on one, I know sex is possible and this makes me nervous.
[–]GKW 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
can't let it get to you, at that point you have to start thinking with your dick. You're a man and you know what you want, so go after it. There's only two outcomes, rejection or reciprocation.
I've turned into an AFC the past month solely because of the same situation. A chance not just for sex but a potential LTR, cause I pussied out. I'll repeat, don't let fear and anxiety get in the way of your goal
[–]osufan765 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
practice and repetition is the only answer.
[–]I_SHANK_BATS 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You know what you're doing wrong, as indicated by this comment, so stop fucking doing it.
[–]reznik 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think you know how to, you're just afraid of doing it. I say try it out, just say fuck it, and do something, be ballsy about putting your hand on her leg, looking at her a certain way and making sexual puns/jokes/innuendo/conversation. If it works you will learn from it, if it doesn't you will learn from it too, there is no losing here. If you are too afraid about the outcome to do something about it then you already failed and should worry about changing your mentality first.
[–]Xstream2 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm getting a lot better at escalating (even if I'm unsuccessful, I still try at least)... Its exactly the same as approach anxiety... you just fear rejection, practice and constantly pushing yourself is the only way to get over it
[–]Woetren 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't talk about boring stuff, make everything a joke, either about you or her. Boring stuff like college or work make touching inappropriate. Oh, I work from 9 to 5, so now I touch your arm = awkward. Oh you just made a joke about me, so now I give you a little poke is more natural.
[–]djmykeski 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
I totally understand how you feel because even though I've had a lot of LTR's in my life, I had a fear of escalating those first steps too. It was just a bunch of irrational reasons I made up in my mind. You need to remember that these fears are irrational and that she wants to touch you JUST as much as you want to touch her (if not MORE).
So here are the practical things you need to do:
First, I totally agree with TheAccidentof85's comment. Touch EVERYONE you know. Get used to being physical with close friends and people that you are comfortable around and trust you. Just try to be touchy feely and get used to the idea of Kino.
Now the next time you're with a date, use the "Evolution Phase Shift Kino Routine" by Neil Strauss. While I sometimes HATE canned routines and I know that Style sometimes gets a lot of flack from the community, I personally have never found anything better than this method to get a girl to make out with you. After I discovered this, I never needed any other help escalating and didn't even bother learning all those other kino routines. While this routine is not foolproof (will take a bit of practice), many times you will get the girl so ready to make out that she will be ready to throw herself at you. The reason why is that it is literally the natural progression many people go through for "flirting." And it doesn't have to be all in order, you can just randomly do the steps throughout the night and I guarantee you will get yourself at least a nice make-out sesh. Escalating further to a F-close will be a whole different topic, but at least this will be the first step.
Go find that girl from the other night you never escalated, get another date with her, do this routine throughout the night, enjoy the sweet taste of her lips by the end of the night...
[–]twofoot1 points 14 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Thanks this was very helpful and motivating, I will try it out the routine, I guess I need a routine when there's fear in the way.
[–]djmykeski 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep. I agree. If fear is keeping you from being natural and coming up with creative ways to escalate on your own, just follow a formula till it becomes second nature, then just come up with your own routine.
Also, I should point out that all the bullshit about "animal mating rituals and evolution" and crap isn't really all that important. Style uses that because that's just the way he talks. You can use it too if you have nothing better to say, but you don't have to say any of it, just make it your own with whatever you want to say. What's really important is the actually physical escalation: Smell, grab hair, touch elbow, touch knee, bite elbow, bite my neck, bite her neck.
As soon as she's comfortable enough with you to let you bite her neck she is comfortable enough to make out with you. Just go for it and I promise she will reciprocate.
[–]SupALupRT 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There is no magic answer. You either man up or you dont. This is something you want to do, if shes hanging out with you, the odds are she is wanting you to just as badly. Fortune favors the bold my friend.
[–]pjhollow 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In your head you probably have a hesitation before you initiate contact ( I know I do). Just a simple hand hold becomes a big deal and you put things on their own pedestal. Well you've just got to force yourself to do it. It's the only way. That little feeling of hesitation when you think "is this a good idea?" is there and you have to do something with it. I try and embrace that feeling of nervousness, it's fun. At first it might come off awkward, but I assure you the more the you do it, the more natural it feels. And eventually you'll be a baus.
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