What is the best way to try to 'turn' a girl who is dismissive/hostile off of the bat. It seems to be common during night game (less so in day time). And only really with hot, young girls.

Even if you open indirect, or with a compliment or even with an opinion opener, I get lots of girls who kind of shut me down straight away ''Thanks, but i've got a boyfriend'', ''i'm not interestsed. I'm with my friends. Bye''. Some flat out ignore you and wait for you to leave.

Now, I know that it's nothing to do with my 'vibe' or anything, since I often get much better reactions from the girls who aren't as hot or who aren't as young. Or even in different environments such as a karaoke bar instead of a cocktail bar.

If it was purely down to my open somehow being bad, then i'd never get anyone willing to tolerate me, although I have been able to get makeouts and the occasional lay in the last 6 months or so.

I know the concept of 'no girls' is one that gets discussed. But it's not that helpful, because all hot young girls become 'no girls' unless you are some 6ft model when it comes too a cold approach in a bar at night. How best to 'turn' these girls? Or maybe there's a certain way of opening to drastically reduce the chances of them being dismissive? (although to be fair i've tried everything from opinion openers, to observational openers, to compliments, to light negs, to humour/roleplay openers etc etc)