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I'm not sure exactly how that helps men more lol. You literally state that most people would be married and living out their lives, and you also assume that people would be getting cheated on because they didn't learn game. There are a lot of decent guys out there who some women might be totally happy being with but they want that initial spark of attraction first. I've heard some women think that a guy is automatically "low value" or "not worth it" if they don't approach first because they draw all kinds of assumptions from it. "He's low ambition, not masculine, blah blah blah." Maybe he doesn't approach because he thinks they're ugly? Maybe they don't draw much attention to themselves? Could be many reasons, but women still assume these things and it doesn't get their "people think I'm sexually desirable" engines revving.

Anyway, I think it's a sign of bad times if something like a seduction community is up and running. A sign of good times wouldn't need one.

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Dude do you want to know why women slept with you? Because of feminism. Feminism allows women to be promiscuous. Why do you think so many incels move to Eastern Europe or Asia to get married because women there are more traditional. I’ve been to Eastern Europe it’s harder to get laid in Eastern Europe because of traditional conservatism you can still get laid but it’s not as easy as the west. The west encourages women to be promiscuous. That’s just a fact even many dating coaches will agree with me that in conservative countries where hookup culture isn’t encouraged and shamed most women are more conservative.

So yes I do think it’s feminism pal. For example I live in Mexico, this country is mostly traditional one of the few places in the west. Now a lot of women are still sluts but not many, and when I go to America it’s easier to get laid due to your slutty culture. Feminist countries have more casual sex. Norway it has actually become a traditional to have sex on the first 3 dates. Swedish hookup culture is the biggest one with the most promiscuous women. Meanwhile Ukraine women still prefer marriage.

So yes if you where in an conservative Eastern European country most women will not have sex with you, maybe a few but you definitely wouldn’t have been a player.

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The point where that truism crossed the line over to "no true Scotsman" fallacy was a long ways back thataway. I am so sick of apologists going "But that's not MY feminism!" Yes. Yes it is. Own it. Stop pretending it's some isolated radicalists doing the evil or stupid shit. Not when we have a century of evidence pointing to feminism being far less about equality than it claims. Where we have laws on the books that discriminate against men that can be traced directly back to feminism. Where we are living in a society that criminalizes masculinity, abuses our boys in schools, and silences MRAs, equating them with incels or terrorists instead of victims speaking out.

Fuck feminism in all of its flavors. If they want to represent equality, they should use a word that represents equality, like egalitarian. Perfectly good word, "egalitarian".

Feminist is not. It represents prejudice against men far more than it does equality, and I am sick to rainbow vomit of hearing people deny the evil shit done under its banner as if it had nothing to do with "their" feminism.

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Yeah, those hundreds of women that came forward about Harvey Weinstein did that to him for sure. Those girls did that to Larry Nassar too.

Here's your problem, your masculinity is so fragile that you simply can't see women as your equal, and that is why you're here in this subreddit, not because you need help to seduce women, you need help to get a second date after the shit you say in the first one.

Imagine taking the worst extreme of something and generalizing it, that is literally what you are doing right now. Never mind all the good women that feminism has helped to come forward, that doesn't matter because 1 got destroyed by it.

If fire is used by arsonists, is fire bad? No, the arsonists is bad.

Pro tip, as long as youre thinking like this, not even god can help you with women my guy, no need to scroll through r/seduction, they won't be with you.

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> Yeah, those hundreds of women that came forward about Harvey Weinstein did that to him for sure. Those girls did that to Larry Nassar too.

See, you're conflating actual victims with victimizers. You don't need feminism to abhor rape and respect the rule of law. You do need feminism to shame male rape victims into silence, corrupt rape laws so they only apply to women, and destroy innocent men's lives.

That's the difference between sanity and ideology. I am not a feminist. I will still defend the right for women (AND FUCKING MEN) to gain justice for an abuse. I will *not* support corruption of that justice.

> If fire is used by arsonists, is fire bad? No, the arsonists is bad.

False analogy. Or rather, false application of the analogy. Not all Vikings were pillaging murderers who set fire to shit. But the culture supported pillaging murderers who set fire to shit, which is why the rest of Europe hated them all. *That's* an apples to apples analogy; feminism *supports* this evil, thus it is evil. Even if other good things come of it.

> Pro tip, as long as youre thinking like this, not even god can help you with women my guy, no need to scroll through r/seduction, they won't be with you.

You'd be surprised. Plenty of women think the same way I do. "Pro tip", a lot of feminists are *men*. I don't hate women, I hate a flawed ideology that corrupts our view of men and women, making one permanent victims and the other aggressive monsters *pro forma*.

> Here's your problem, your masculinity is so fragile that you simply can't see women as your equal, and that is why you're here in this subreddit, not because you need help to seduce women, you need help to get a second date after the shit you say in the first one.

Surprise! Most women are *not feminists*. They've never read Thatcher, never even *heard* of Erin Pizzy, and don't agree with most of the obscene shit that comes out of feminist's mouths. So when I *do* talk about men's rights - which I do not open with - most women (not all) are right there with me. Also, you're an idiot, and making personal attacks based on wild assumptions does not credit your own ability to talk to *anyone*, much less seduce them. Fuck off with your nonsense.

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Dude if a director doesn’t want to cast white people that has nothing to do with rights. White people still dominate cinema and 99% of directors will still cast white people as leads.

I don’t think you understand what “rights” mean. If every director I’m Hollywood said “white oriole will never be leads and government should take away white peoples rights to make movies” that would be oppression. But that hasn’t happened. I mean seriously the producers of James Bond said that he will always be a man. And very few women complained, cause that doesn’t mean that women don’t have rights it’s just that James Bond is for men. Same thing goes with that director that said that he won’t cast white people in his films. You honestly sound like a snowflake😂

“When privileged people get a taste of equality they will feel oppressed”. And I did heard about some genocide in Haiti that’s sad. But it happens very rarely. 98% of the time white Men are not victims. You’re just nitpicking information.

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That's not what I mean.

I ask you, and please, be sincere. If a white director said right now, "I won't cast a black person as the main characters in my movies ever", do you think he would have a job fifteeen minutes later? Or he would be canceled in seconds.

If a member of the New York Times board made in twitter fun of black people, do you think he would have a job, or he would be canceled in seconds?

"I won't cast/hire (insert race, color of skin, whatever)" is racist. If it's wrong in one side, it's wrong in the other.

"99% of directors will still cast white people as leads" 71% in 2016, actually. And it has been dropping.

"I mean seriously the producers of James Bond said that he will always be a man" So? The character is James Bond, from Ian Flemming. The rights they have is for James Bond. Would you make a movie about Queen Artura, with his sidekick Merlina, fighting the evil Morgano? Are you going to demand to see a movie about Laro Croft? That gender swapping is stupid. You want to make a movie about a woman that kills for the goverment? You have Nikita. Or wait, now you want to see Nikito?

"I mean seriously the producers of James Bond said that he will always be a man. And very few women complained"

https://www.edp24.co.uk/features/why-james-bond-is-in-urgent-need-of-a-female-makeover-1-6265018

https://time.com/5626544/lashana-lynch-new-james-bond-movie/

https://www.facebook.com/pg/femalejamesbond/posts/

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jul/15/james-bond-007-black-female-actor-lashana-lynch-daniel-craig

https://theconversation.com/a-black-female-007-as-a-lifelong-james-bond-fan-i-say-bring-it-on-120419

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwim4c6-g9DqAhUSYxoKHYgfBEM4MhAWMAZ6BAgJEAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Farts-entertainment%2F2019%2F09%2F09%2Fwoman-could-play-james-bond-say-two-james-bonds%2F&usg=AOvVaw11u-96jSVhsLWgdLfBHL0Q

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/new-james-bond-woman-gillian-anderson

Literally five google seconds

“When privileged people get a taste of equality they will feel oppressed” That's probably what nazis were thinking, when they were starting to oppress jews. Be careful with that.

"98% of the time white Men are not victims"

85% of homeless are men

76% of suicides are men

70% of murder victims are men

92% of deaths in the workplace are men

7% of men get custody after a divorce

97% of war deaths are men

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Yes in 2016 71% of white people cast in films that’s true. And it has been going down and that’s a good thing. I think you’re a white supremacist/racist. The reason it has been gong down it’s because of something called “DIVERSITY”. They’re adding more diverse things and there’s nothing wrong with that. And if you feel oppressed well just like I said before “When privileged people get a taste of equality they will feel oppressed”.

Secondly most women aren’t crazy feminazis that hate men. Yeah those articles plenty of women complained but that’s because negative articles get more attention than positive ones. I personally know dozens of men dating women and none of them absolutely none of them give a shit which gender is James Bond. Stop nitpicking situations to prove your white nationalist points.

Now you have a bunch of stats that have no proof that the system is against men. First of all yes most homeless victims are men but do you honestly think that it has to do with the system😂😂. There has never been a time in history when women where more poor than men, homelessness have always been dominated by men, so you know why? Simple something that FEMINISTS and liberals have been fighting against for decades. GENDER ROLES. For example do you know why very few women are homeless well let’s say that society tells women to find a man and marry him while he works. Women are less likely to be homeless due to society telling them to be housewives and get married to me with good jobs meanwhile the men with bad jobs don’t get any women and they get sexually frustrated which causes anxiety and depression and at the same time since they have a shitty job and hate themselves they’re more likely to be fired or quit and that’s when they’re homeless and because our society tells men to “man up” and keep their feelings to themselves all of that frustration, desperation and sadness bottled up and they kill themselves. And that’s also why most suicide rates are men.

Damn I just destroyed two of your arguments how the system is against men well sometimes it is but it has nothing to do with feminism. Feminist have said that suicide rates are the cause of toxic masculinity keeping your feelings to yourself and bottling them up are very bad, scientist have proven it. Anyway now yes most murder victims are men but what does that have to do with the matriarchy? Do you know who kills 70% of men? Other men. So why blame it on women?? Doesn’t make any sense men kill other men, very few times a woman has killed another man in general male homicides or homicides in general are caused by men. So you have nothing.

“97% war deaths are on men” because most soldiers are men. In the US about 16% of women enlist in the army. ONLY 16%. That’s the reason why in general men die more because most women don’t want to go to war. Women get more custody again due to traditional gender roles. You’re definitely a conservative and I’ve heard many conservatives say “women should be feminine nurturing etc while men strong masculine” guess what the court agrees with that. If women are more nurturing and feminine than men then kids are better of with their mother than their father chase women are more sensitive right?. That is literally the only reason, in general women are better at dealing with their kids needs. Also men make more money than women which is why we men have to pay for alimony. Alimony is about who earns more money. If you’re married to a model or an actress and she makes more money than you, if you get divorced she will have to pay you alimony, the one who earns more pays their partner alimony. Men obviously earn more so we end up having to pay, maybe if there was a movement for women to earn just as much as men oh fuck yes FEMINISM.

All of those problems that men have can literally be fixed with feminism and liberalism. Nobody wants to help homeless people more than democrats, taking money from the rich and giving it to poor people especially homeless men. Having social programs, I don’t understand why men’s rights activists are republicans it’s like democrats want to help poor people and since most homeless people are men then you should support that? But they don’t that’s why I know that MRAs are just a bunch of bacons.

Men die from the workplace more because men take more risks, we have obviously more testosterone than women so we obviously die more and we are more likely to go for more dangerous jobs. It’s in our testosterone. And not all of this problems can be fixed Men will always have more testosterone than women and we will obviously die more in the workplace because we men are stupid and we love to take risks. Eat some soy and become a soyboy if you don’t want to have testosterone 😂 it’s kind of ironic that many men’s rights call other people soyboys but then complain about men dying more from workplace it’s like? The more testosterone a man has the more risks he will take and the more risks he takes the more likely he will die so if you want men to stop dying you have to become the thing that you hate. Soyboys. It’s hilarious but anyway, however they are some things that I don’t like about feminism for example I don’t like alimony that shit should be eliminated not just for men but women too, that’s just stupid.

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Yes in 2016 71% of white people cast in films that’s true. And it has been going down and that’s a good thing. I think you’re a white supremacist/racist. The reason it has been gong down it’s because of something called “DIVERSITY”. They’re adding more diverse things and there’s nothing wrong with that.

I didn't say it was wrong. You said it was 99%. I was correcting you.

But interesting, you haven't answered this simple question:

"I ask you, and please, be sincere. If a white director said right now, "I won't cast a black person as the main characters in my movies ever", do you think he would have a job fifteeen minutes later? Or he would be canceled in seconds."

"If a member of the New York Times board made in twitter fun of black people, do you think he would have a job, or he would be canceled in seconds?"

And since we are talking about it. Imagine a famous Hollywood star admitting on tape he was violent to his wife. He would be blacklisted in seconds. Jonny Depp was accused, only accused, without proof, and his career was destroyed, fired from Pirates on the Caribbean and so on. So, how come Amber Heard, that admitted on tape to be an abuser, and made fun of Depp, that nobody would believe him because he is a man... how come nobody is blacklisting her? She is still in the Aquaman sequel, for starters.

Now imagine a married, 44-year-old Will Smith gradually developed a sexual relationship with one of Willow’s 23-year-old friends under the guise of “helping her heal,” every single female would be dragging him through the mud as a sick man who manipulated and exploited a young girl who was half his age. He would have been labeled as a predator and all sorts of conversations about the problem with prominent men in positions of power who use their status to take advantage of helpless young girls would ensue.

But with Jada, it’s all jokes and support for her finding her happiness

"I personally know dozens of men dating women and none of them absolutely none of them give a shit which gender is James Bond" So, you are seriously asking around? And you many did you ask? Hundreds, thousands? Anyway, you said feminists don't care about Jane Bond. I just pointed out how you are wrong. And it was you who started talking about Jane Bond, not me.

"85% of homeless are men" Now imagine it was the opposite. We would be hearing about it EVERY DAY. How come we don't hear about it? And why most homeless shelters are women-and-children only? Can you imagine 85% of homeless women, and they be pushed away from shelters? And how come most support groups are women-only? An example: NPR reporter spends a year researching homelessness, which affects three times as many men as women. Only interviews women. http://archive.is/jmg7k

"76% of suicides are men" I thought you said men were never victims. Again, can you imagine how we would be hearing about it every day if it were women? Don't you think men should have more support? How come nobody is talking about this?

Look at this: https://ontheline.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/OTL_ANNUAL-REPORT-2019_DIGITAL_FA-web-version.pdf

The Director and CEO of OnTheLine (both women), do not once acknowledge in their 39 page report that 75% of suicides in Australia are males. Instead, their glossy, self congratulatory annual report proudly states that 64% of clients using their suicide counselling services are women, and 74% of their suicide callback services are provided to women. Isn't it weird that nobody mentions that most suicides are men? Why are they only talking about women?

"97% of war deaths are men" "16% of women enlist in the army" Ok, but in that case, what if there is a war, and a draft? Don't you think that to correct TRADITIONAL GENDER ROLES, as you said, men AND women should join the army, like the israeli army does?

There was a referendum in Switzerland, if men (only men) still had to do the mandatory military service. Most men voted to remove it. Women (in a vote that didn't affect them) in huge numbers voted that all men in Switzerland should still do the mandatory military service. In the end, thanks to the vote of women, men still have to do the mandatory military service

In Norway when the goverment made a law that in the name of equality, if there was a war, men AND women should join the draft. The National Board of the Norwegian Association for Women’s Rights, NKF wanted that only men joined the draft. "Women should be valued and allocated power and resources on equal terms with men. But women and men do not have to be alike or do the same things to be equal. To ensure gender equality it is important in many cases that women and men are treated equally. But they should not necessarily be treated equally in all situations" They wanted the cake and eat it too, basically

"Men die from the workplace more because men take more risks, we have obviously more testosterone than women so we obviously die more and we are more likely to go for more dangerous jobs. It’s in our testosterone." No. Men die because the goverment is not pushing to make the companies invest more heavily in security in dangerous jobs. Why not? I thought you said men are never victims.

"7% of men get custody after a divorce" "I’ve heard many conservatives say “women should be feminine nurturing etc while men strong masculine” guess what the court agrees with that. If women are more nurturing and feminine than men then kids are better of with their mother than their father chase women are more sensitive right?. That is literally the only reason, in general women are better at dealing with their kids needs"

Sorry, but that's a lot of bullshit. First you start taking woke points, saying that the solution to all men problems are more feminism and liberalism, fighting against gender roles. But the next second you yourself go FULL conservative, saying that women should be taking care of the children and men should get screwed up.

Well, that hits me hard. I am a divorced father. And the judge said in the ruling that I was a great father, that worried about my daughters a lot, and was a great example.

But she gave full custody to my ex-wife.

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There was a referendum in Switzerland, if men (only men) still had to do the mandatory military service. Most men voted to remove it. Women (in a vote that didn't affect them) in huge numbers voted that all men in Switzerland should still do the mandatory military service. In the end, thanks to the vote of women, men still have to do the mandatory military service

In Norway when the goverment made a law that in the name of equality, if there was a war, men AND women should join the draft. The National Board of the Norwegian Association for Women’s Rights, NKF wanted that only men joined the draft. "Women should be valued and allocated power and resources on equal terms with men. But women and men do not have to be alike or do the same things to be equal. To ensure gender equality it is important in many cases that women and men are treated equally. But they should not necessarily be treated equally in all situations" They wanted the cake and eat it too, basically

In Spain in many STEM careers where women are underrepresented, women get money if they join those careers. That's not the case for men in careers they are underrepresented. And 60% of people going to college are women.

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Oooo baby, mansplain feminism for me.

Oh no a “prime example” yeah I’m sure you a ‘man’, knows more about feminism than me, a feminist. I’m sure you aren’t just spreading anti feminist propaganda. How dare we teach woman and girls (and boys and men) to stand up for themselves and to not take shit from ‘men’ like you. Looking at your post history nobody Listens to you or gives a shit what you’ve got to say anyway. I’ll teach girls and women how not to get raped, the statistics on rape, ill protect baby girls and unconscious women and we’ll discuss how we’re treated. The internet has been marvellous for women. We can now share our stories of harassment and rape in a safe place where men can’t pretend we’re the problem. We can talk about being passed over for promotion for the stupid boy who just joined and can’t run a piss up in a brewery.

People like you have tried to shut it down. Talked shit about something you patently know nothing about. But it’s too late. We even have men in our numbers now. Men who raise daughters, love wives, have sisters, and are sick of the way they’re treated.

I bet you’re the type to say “all lives matter”.

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Title	Saved by the bell
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	790
Comments	106
Date	July 15, 2020 3:46 AM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/hrgha2/saved_by_the_bell/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/seduction/saved-by-the-bell.1498726 https://theredarchive.com/post/1498726

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