Sometimes I am skeptical that "game" is real.

MyHeartIsReal · 2011-12-27T23:34:08+00:00

Sometimes there is too much emphasis here on the right thing to say or having the right response to something. This is ultimately reactionary behavior. Sometimes, as it seems you have noticed, confidence, body language, and just being well-presented will get you MUCH further than that one witty line you should've said.

puaCurveBall · 2011-12-27T23:46:32+00:00

I'm just saying that if you think anything you say matters at all, you are probably wrong.

This seems to be making the faulty assumption that game is about what you say, when most of it is non-verbal and what you think / believe.

If you believe girls never want to give out their number because they hate sex and you are repulsive to the opposite sex, you aren't going to get their number even if they want to give it to you.

Game is about understanding when and why a woman wants to give you her number.

2011-12-28T00:48:48+00:00

there is a lot of game you are taking for granted. almost all of it is relevent. Opening, being alpha, kino escalation, isolation, pulling, LMR, Amog destroyers, set dynamics, txting.... and so forth. shit gets used all the time even if you are not actively thinking about it; after a while you just internalize it and do it auto pilot. the brain is that good.

respect game damnit! ;)

edit: thinking that game is irrelevant is actually a stage in becoming good at game.

frogma · 2011-12-28T00:57:01+00:00

Go to the bar and mack on girls (and don't just aim for getting numbers). Having "game" becomes a lot more important. Daygame is just about manning up and approaching.

It still matters what you say, somewhat. You don't just walk up to a girl and spout bullshit, right? You say things that make sense. You get her number. You probably do some other shit that's related to "game." You're just naturally doing it, so that's awesome, but by most definitions, that's still "game."

I think you're trying to say that looks (and maybe confidence) are a determining factor. I've been with multiple girls who I can basically guarantee either weren't attracted to me sexually or emotionally when I first talked to them, but then changed their opinions after they had more exposure to me.

I was never really "ugly," and I didn't use "game" to get better originally, but I learned a lot of "gamey" shit through experience that made me better than I was before. I acted more like a clown when I was younger, was always seeking approval, and was nervous in general around girls. All that shit changed, and that's how I became more successful. That's all related to the "deeper" aspects of game, not simply getting the balls to approach (I've never had too much of an issue with that).

Think of it this way though- there's plenty of more attractive guys (or even just decent-looking guys) who are still bad with women. Some don't have the balls to approach, some do. When some of them start approaching, will they have more success? Yeah, hopefully- that's kinda how it works. But will others still have issues? Yeah, because having the balls to approach isn't enough to get sex (or even a number). It is for you, because you're doing other "gamey" shit, whether it's something you learned or just how you naturally approach shit.

Either way, I think a moderately handsome chodey guy, on average, will have less success than a moderately ugly mack daddy. A handsome mack daddy will still be doing better than everyone else, but don't underestimate confidence and the other more "gamey" stuff (though I'd say even something as simple as confidence can be considered "gamey"). There's a million little aspects to seduction that are all a part of the bigger picture. If you're making moves, you're using game (and you seem to be making moves, so there you go).

urfaselol · 2011-12-28T03:32:50+00:00

It's your identity, stupid

TonyDAbsolute · 2011-12-28T00:08:13+00:00

There are a host of factors involved.

2011-12-28T06:52:22+00:00

It's been the position of Real Social Dynamics for a few years that it's not what you say but how you say it, you might want to look up some of their stuff.

30vanquish · 2011-12-28T03:12:44+00:00

Concepts like Approaching/Comfort/KINO/Escalation/Attraction all help. Inner game like Confidence helps as well. It's good to keep in the back of my mind as a rough outline while interacting. The rest is about going out there and actually approaching.

kongzilla · 2011-12-28T03:58:27+00:00

I'm not the best of looking guys. With that being said I'm not ugly but I have a very distinct face that people either like or hate. Game has helped me out a lot especially with AA, and has helped me go from just expecting a number close to expecting a K close or even an F close instead. There's a part in "The Game" where Neil Strauss says it's no longer survival of the fittest its the survival of the smoothest. Essentially that is what practicing game has done for me, made me smoother. Ultimately game is a template, it is a set of rules that you follow to get your prize that's why game is so useful because you can always fall back on the template, any time during your sarge.

rmbarnes · 2011-12-28T04:26:30+00:00

I am not saying that the practice of seduction is bad. I'm just saying that if you think anything you say matters at all, you are probably wrong. I think most girls make form their opinion about a man within seconds of meeting him.

I think some of the simpler core concepts of game can help, but most of it is filler.

backbitting · 2011-12-28T15:04:58+00:00

its not, women decide within the first 7 seconds of meeting you if they will screw you.

"game" practise probably just made you more confident. a feature both sexes find attractive. It also taught you how to speak/ approach to woman, something most men can't figure out... Given this, by sheer chance you are bound to have more sex. if i ask 10 men to sleep with me all of them will say yes (because i am hot) but if i ask 100 men to sleep with me, all 100 will say yes. by sheer numbers i am having more sex

Title	Sometimes I am skeptical that "game" is real.
Author	jsba
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Date	December 27, 2011 11:11 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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