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Instead of raising wages and employee benefits, meat industry of UK plans to use prisoners

austin101123

August 24, 2021
143 upvotes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58303679
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Title Instead of raising wages and employee benefits, meat industry of UK plans to use prisoners
Author

austin101123

Upvotes 143
Comments 20
Date August 24, 2021 2:44 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/paeo2g/instead_of_raising_wages_and_employee_benefits/
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Comments

[–]austin101123[S] 57 points58 points59 points 4 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

The industry body said its members were "trying absolutely every avenue" to recruit workers.

You pay enough and provide good enough working life, you get the workers. When the industry body says this, they mean they are trying everything they can to keep wages low. These prisoners now are going to be pushed into, and maybe only able to get, this job that's so bad it can't find enough workers.

Gah I should've said working conditions in the title, not employee benefits which is kind of redundant.

[–]quesadilla_dinosaur 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ah, yet another reason to go vegan/vegetarian

[–]ExcellentTraffic123 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

True, but are we going to avoid wearing clothes because those can be made by prisoners? Are we going to stop calling technical support because the call may be answered in prison?

[–]quesadilla_dinosaur 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmmm.

We can urge companies to be transparent about prison labor that they use.

[–]revente 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Frankly it’s only needed because of Brexit. Before, low skilled workers from eastern Europe were happy to work there. These wages may seem low compared to other british wages. But are very high compared to ones for the same amount of job in other countries.

High costs of living are the problem, not the wages itself.

[+]NightWolfYT -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This problem exists in America too. Thank you for reminding me about cost of living. I now have a new counter-argument against the $15/hr crowd.

[–]slycyboi 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Both of you missed the point that it is a company being stingy about wages not that people should just be happy to be poorer

[–]NightWolfYT 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lower cost of living doesn’t mean you’re poorer, but I agree a lot of companies are stingy. Human greed is a large portion of why this planet is slowly going downhill.

[–]slycyboi 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lower cost of living implies poorer conditions though. Unfortunately that sort of thing tends not to go down.

[–]Oncefa2left-wing male advocate 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Conditions in some of these meat factories are terrible. They have a really high turnover rate, to the point that they're already looking for your replacement before you've even started your first day on the job. Workers are often trucked in hours away from "undesirable" neighborhoods where people can't find any other jobs.

It's common to by covered in blood and feces and I can imagine the psychological tole of slaughtering these animals is pretty high as well.

I don't know what the solution is, but this isn't it.

[–]Dern_Zambies 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

They're just keeping with the industry's time honored tradition of eating the poor

edit: grammar

[–]LokisDawn 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There's an ocean of distance between recruiting prisoners (even if ostensibly voluntary, it's very coercive) and recruiting ex-prisoners. The former is potentially incredibly abusive, the latter I can kinda get behind (as long as those ex-convicts aren't made to work under untenable circumstances by abusing the fact that they can't easily get hired anywhere else).

[–]austin101123[S] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ROTL temporarily leave prisons.

http://www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/ForPrisonersFamilies/PrisonerInformationPages/ReleaseonTemporaryLicenceROTL

[–]KarmicComedian 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

meat industry of UK plans to use prisoners

i absolutely skipped the first bit and was really scared for a moment.

[–]Carkudo 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn man, I've tried everything to secure clients for my business since covid hit. Ended up closing up shop but maybe I should've petitioned the government to force some prisoners to pay my instead.

[+]revente -10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What does it have to do with male advocacy?

Frankly while it isn’t the best news for regular workers, it’s a good news for inmates who can stay productive while serving their sentences.(as long as they aren’t forced)

[–]austin101123[S] 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I imagine >90%, probably 99% or more of these prisoners will be male. Whether you think this is good or bad or mixed, it especially concerns males.

I see it as bad for workers by not making the jobs better AND bad for the prisoners because they are going to be pushed to, and often only allowed/their best chance, a job deemed not good enough like this one.

The meat jobs should pay more/better working conditions, and prisoners need better opportunity. We can make jobs and life better.

[–]gdobssor 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, and also, prisoners generally are paid LESS than minimum wage for jail jobs. It's not necessarily a problem if they're actually learning marketable skills, like light industry or welding or hairdressing or even call centre work, but this is doing nothing but giving them PTSD, and it's completely ignoring the problem, which is low wages and horrible conditions. The state and employers are allowed to profit, while giving prisoners PTSD and adding to their already bad mental health, giving them probably bad food and protective gear and living conditions, the animals will probably get treated badly as the prisoners will be getting less than minimum wage, and they'll walk out of prison with nothing to show. They're not even contributing to their own prison farm and growing their own food.

It's essentially slavery.

[–]gurthanix 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The prison population is overwhelmingly male, and in particular many policies that exploit prisoners or unduly abridge their rights are disproportionately targeted at male prisoners. This is particularly the case in the UK, where policy is explicitly to treat female prisoners with much more gentleness and humanity than male prisoners.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It has everything to do with male advocacy as both the regular workers in that industry up till now as well as the prisoners potentially being sent to replace them are overwhelmingly male.

Also, we get complaints that we don't profile ourselves as left-wing enough, and what is more left-wing than worker class concerns?

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