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IBM sues Microsoft’s new chief diversity officer over non-compete agreement - involves gender quota filling 'secrets', etc.

perplexedm

February 21, 2018
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Title IBM sues Microsoft’s new chief diversity officer over non-compete agreement - involves gender quota filling 'secrets', etc.
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perplexedm

Upvotes 313
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Date February 21, 2018 10:00 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7z4h7f/ibm_sues_microsofts_new_chief_diversity_officer/
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[–]CaptSnap 101 points102 points103 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Is there any more bullshit job than Chief Diversity Officer?

I mean can you imagine where your whole career is to basically sell the bullshit that in order for your company to be as "diverse" as possible you have to have the proper mix of vaginas and skin tones in the 21st century.

Think Im being a little hyperbolic? Dont forget just a few months ago Apple fired their VP of Diversity for saying this:

“There can be 12 white, blue-eyed, blond men in a room and they’re going to be diverse too because they’re going to bring a different life experience and life perspective to the conversation,” the inaugural diversity chief said.....“Diversity is the human experience,” she said, according to Quartz. “I get a little bit frustrated when diversity or the term diversity is tagged to the people of color, or the women, or the LGBT.”

Yeah...she was a black woman too....fired. Not so much about the "human experience thing". Gotta toe the rhetoric, it really is just judging people by their genitals and skin color.

[–]perplexedm[S] 38 points39 points40 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

CDO is nothing but a priest from feminist cult in every big organization these days. Feminists want to take over the agency of morality and create a more gynocentrist one, that they can control men whom they find less interesting like sheep.

White knights and manginas do it on their behalf.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Want to take over?

They already have!

[+]geniice -26 points-25 points-24 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Is there any more bullshit job than Chief Diversity Officer?

Yes. Yours.

mean can you imagine where your whole career is to basically sell the bullshit that in order for your company to be as "diverse" as possible you have to have the proper mix of vaginas and skin tones in the 21st century.

Thats not the job of a normal Chief Diversity Officer. Mostly a mix of making sure your hiring practices are legal and perhaps trying to make sure your marketing materials don't offend anyone you don't want to offend. For example even if you are selling food products you probably don't want to use the term mayo-americans.

[–]CaptSnap 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

heh Im the one phenotype that wont fill a diversity quota so......in all actuality I can be easily fired and its actually a bit of a cost to them to have me (throwing off that sweet sweet diversity and all that). I hadnt thought of that, thank you.

Mostly a mix of making sure your hiring practices are legal and perhaps trying to make sure your marketing materials don't offend anyone you don't want to offend. For example even if you are selling food products you probably don't want to use the term mayo-americans.

I just came from the Olympics thread where they were discussing how most of the advertising is done to make men like morons and women, especially mothers, to look like wonderful all-knowing all-caring superbeings. Im assuming thats what youre talking about?

So in your opinion, the role of a Chief Diversity Officer is to make sure your company shits on men...but only men? While making sure to not to break any laws when trying to not hire men. If you cut the crap, isnt that pretty much the definition of "diversity"...fewer white men (kinda like what I sourced.......) Im sure you have some sources where a diversity officer said or acted in a way that would contradict some of my claims.

But yeah, that is pretty diverse.

[+]geniice -14 points-13 points-12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

heh Im the one phenotype that wont fill a diversity quota

You don't have an age, gender, sex or ethnic background?

But anyway your talk of diversity quotas shows why companies have to employ diversity officers who know the actual law. Its all about the boring stuff of showing that your hiring practices are non discriminatory along with your internal disciplinary procedures. Depending on your local legal system you may also have to make sure you are making reasonable accommodation for disabled employees.

I just came from the Olympics thread where they were discussing how most of the advertising is done to make men like morons and women, especially mothers, to look like wonderful all-knowing all-caring superbeings. Im assuming thats what youre talking about?

Really depends on what you are trying to sell. Nestlé (sometime after using saleswomen dressed as nurses to kill more african babies) went with "It's not for girls" for selling a chocolate bar and that seemed to work out for them.

So in your opinion, the role of a Chief Diversity Officer is to make sure your company shits on men...but only men?

No that would be a matter of business strategy.

While making sure to not to break any laws when trying to not hire men.

Tends to be more post hoc. Company find they have a department with a statistically improbable age, gender, sex, ethnic background mix and then reviews their hire practices to make sure they are within the law. For example they might have to start advertising somewhere other than the local polish club.

If you cut the crap, isnt that pretty much the definition of "diversity"...fewer white men (kinda like what I sourced.......)

No. Broadly it would mean demographics that are consistent within the general population. In business terms it would mean not doing anything that could be considered discrimination against protected class (such as men) unless thats part of your business model (hooters for example at least used to accept losing the odd lawsuit as a cost of doing business).

[–]FrogTrainer 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When did any of those fall outside of the well established HR and PR fields?

[+]geniice -8 points-7 points-6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When did any of those fall outside of the well established HR and PR fields?

Existentially its a sub speciality of HR yes. But that's a bit like asking when auditing fell outside the well established accountancy field.

PR should yes in theory be able to handle this itself but in practice that varies.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tbh, as a mayo American myself, I would find that absolutely hilarious. Just sayin.

[–]menshouldhaverights 93 points94 points95 points 8 years ago (60 children) | Copy Link

Fuck not IBM too!

I was invested in IBM.

I've said it many times in the past and I'll say it again, Feminism (particularly hiring quotas) is a sell signal for a stock. The day they start focusing on unfounded "gender bias" is the same day they stop focusing on innovation. I don't give a shit what color or gender someone is, I care if they can create new technology and make breakthroughs that will drive up the companies bottom line. I think Peter Thiel put it best "Having a diversity of people who look different doesn't create a diversity of ideas." Fuck you IBM.

[–]desderon 30 points31 points32 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The government is forcing companies into this bullshit under penalty threads. If you invest in USA companies you wont find a big company that can get away from the bullshit. The feminist mafia wants its cut.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points36 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is always bad for business.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Except when they are all feminist. Then mediocre is the norm.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Even when the company is all feminism, its still bad for business. Notice how there's not one successful feminism based business?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I meant in the future all companies will be feminist, so a 2% ROI will be normal.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Uh wut?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes. The new normal.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even tho its not nor will it.

[–]furchfur 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

There are a number of UK companies that have gone down this route with newly appointed female CEO's and all have seen huge share price falls. They state profusely how they have now got a gender balanced senior management profile:

Two examples I follow but do not invest in:

GSK

Virgin Money

I can only think of one example where a female CEO of a FTSE 100 company has increased the share price since she took over.

Imperial Brands (Imperial tobacco)

Currently there are 7 FTSE 100 companies with Female CEO's

GSK has been completely feminised many senior male mangers have been replaced with female managers

Emma Walmsley GlaxoSmithKline 2017 Alison Brittain Whitbread 2016 Liv Garfield Severn Trent 2014 Veronique Laury Kingfisher 2014 Moya Greene Royal Mail 2010 Alison Cooper Imperial Tobacco 2010 Carolyn McCall ITV 2017

[–]DeepScan 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

IBM was one of the first on the diversity train. When I was there 10 years ago I was barred from hiring a highly competent white male intern and was told he wasn't the right demographic for hiring. We only had reqs open for non-white people.

edit: IBM has been circling the drain for a very long time.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

See, and how it that shit legal?

[–]KBTKOC 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

chances are its not.

[–]perplexedm[S] 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago* (40 children) | Copy Link

All technocentric economies are econocentric. It is only a matter of time for these companies to discover the result of their white knight efforts.

Remembering Intel which spent hundreds of millions on diversity only to get meltdown, spectre and what not.

Edit: Intel part of my comment was just to indicate 'karma' biting back, not meant to be technically correct. btw, I don't have any idea whether gender quota decision practically hurt them. I wish it did.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (39 children) | Copy Link

Remembering Intel which spent hundreds of millions on diversity only to get meltdown, spectre and what not.

The two have nothing to do with each other.

[–]bufedad 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link

Care to explain how hiring employees who aren't the best in their fields that you can hire isn't related to critical design issues?

[+]mybloodcansing3 points 8 years ago [recovered] (30 children) | Copy Link

Do you have proof that the employees at intel that designed the chips were not the best in the field?

[–]bufedad 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link

Do you have proof that the employees at intel that designed the chips were not the best in the field?

I have proof that Intel was intentionally not hiring the best in the field. Do you have any proof this didn't affect their operations?

[–]geniice 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I have proof that Intel was intentionally not hiring the best in the field.

No you don't. In particular you would need to be able to prove they were in a position to hire Cyrix employees somewhere around 93/94.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They clear have no clue what they are talking about.

[+]mybloodcansing2 points 8 years ago [recovered] (26 children) | Copy Link

I have proof that Intel was intentionally not hiring the best in the field.

This is one variable among many. When was the critical design flaw introduced? Who introduced it? Was intels hiring practices changed at that point? Did the hiring practice affect the hiring of employees at the department that introduced the design flaw? Did intel's change adversely affect quality assurance and testing done there? By how much?

[–]bufedad 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

This is one variable among many.

But the absolute most important variable.

When was the critical design flaw introduced? Who introduced it? Was intels hiring practices changed at that point? Did the hiring practice affect the hiring of employees at the department that introduced the design flaw? Did intel's change adversely affect quality assurance and testing done there? By how much?

So, what you are saying is that... no. You don't have any evidence that Intel's hiring practices didn't affect the chip design...

[+]tessarect4 points 8 years ago [recovered] (24 children) | Copy Link

You don't have any evidence that it did. You're making the positive claim, the burden of proof is on you.

The said, intel has stated that processors that were created from 1995 onwards may be susceptible to spectre and meltdown. The hiring quotas that we see today didn't exist in 1995 so it's quite safe to say that hiring quotas weren't responsible for the design flaws that led to spectre and meltdown.

[–]bufedad 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

You don't have any evidence that it did.

I didn't claim that it did. I merely claimed two things. One, that bad hiring practices are related to bad design decisions, and that they have bad hiring practices.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You didn't read up on either exploit did you? As both exploits exists before Intel did their diversity hiring. Both exploits had to do with the hardware of the CPU structure.

[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Intel's diversity initiatives date back to the 90's. Where they were once rated (around 2000) as having a 100% diversity rating.

You were saying?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No actual source on that? More so you yet to explain how diversity had any part here.

[–]polished_iconoclast 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

To support your point, there is a 1992 paper about the dangers of speculative execution. Intel has known (or should have known) that Spectre will become an issue for 25 years and didn't do anything. I am guessing that there were few diversity initiatives at Intel in the 90'.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Intel didn't do diversity hiring in the 90's.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank god for AMD CPUs.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which where also affected.

[+]mybloodcansing3 points 8 years ago [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is a sell signal for a stock

That's dumb.

I worked for a major, major US bank that has 100s of thousands of employees. The way the company worked was a complete shitshow. I was a software developer there and lets say my peek productivity is 100 units, that company got at most 1 out of me. I was sitting around doing nothing most of the time. I was bored out of my mind, I wanted work. I left after a while because I was bored. The company is probably still a complete shitshow, the stock is up 600% in the last 7 years.

How efficient your employees are, especially in a large corporation, is important, but not that important. Certainly not a "sell signal".

The reality is, women are graduating from college at a higher rate than men. Women will dominate corporations going forward, and policies that increase their participation is probably more important for the long term success of those corporations than say a cookie cutter software developer that comes dime-a-dozen from any Eastern European or Asian country.

[–]menshouldhaverights 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

The company is probably still a complete shitshow, the stock is up 600% in the last 7 years.

What does that have to do with feminism entering the company though?

That company stock is probably over valued then or begging for a competitor to take their market share, assuming that's how the entire organization operates and it wasn't just your area that was crap. Maybe the companies stock would have risen by 1200% if they had been operating better?

I mean come on do you really think that stock prices are completely random and there isn't underlying economic forces that drive them? They are obviously doing something right.

I have a really hard time believing that purposely hiring less qualified people for purely political reasons would make a company better at achieving their bottom line. In fact I'm pretty sure the data has shown that affirmative action doesn't work.

[+]mybloodcansing-1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

begging for a competitor to take their market share

They cannot, due to size of the company.

Maybe the companies stock would have risen by 1200% if they had been operating better?

No doubt, 600% is still pretty good for most investors. It beat SP500 by a lot. Selling that company just because "feminism", would be stupid, plus, news flash: feminism aint new. You cannot find a company in SP500 that doesn't have "feminism entering the company".

I mean come on do you really think that stock prices are completely random and there isn't underlying economic forces that drive them?

No, its not random. They are obviously doing the right thing. Hiring talented people, keeping them and employee productivity is not one of things they do good however. Which is my point: employee productivity is not as important as you make it out to be (at least for large corporations, like IBM).

purposely hiring less qualified people for purely political reasons

Pink haired, lazy, single mom in the ops department of IBM can do 100 mundane tasks a day whereas a white man with great work ethic can do 110 mundane tasks a day. Do you think IBM will fail in the long run because they hired the single mom over the dude? I don't.

[–]atximport 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, they will fail because they laid off the single mom and the white dude after they trained their replacements, because Romanians and Indians are cheaper.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I worked for a major, major US bank

It's a fucking bank, they operate in innovation.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was bored out of my mind, I wanted work. I left after a while because I was bored. The company is probably still a complete shitshow, the stock is up 600% in the last 7 years.

you're clever enough to see the situation yet can't come up with your own projects to do?

[–]Themightysavage 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One can only hope that this "highly sensitive hiring data" will be made public knowledge. Then we can all be pissed.

[–]Splatriarchy 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd be interested in the "sensitive data" and wouldn't be surprised if by "diversity" they mean white females.

[–]andejoh 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I hope IBM wins. Why shouldn't top HR people be treated like top engineers? Aren't the feminists insisting that the jobs have the same merit and should be compensated the same?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because engineers create. HR just shuffles paper.

[–]perplexedm[S] 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Will be interesting to see their 'secrets' rather.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Chief diversity officer? Hey I got an idea, how about, and try to follow me here, you just hire the people who are most qualified to fill the positions you have available (and here's the tricky part) REGARDLESS of their race, sex, sexual orientation, or religion. Wow, look how easy that is!

[–]perplexedm[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Certified Professional feminist victims will be out of job. And you will be called a womxn hater, misogynist, etc. etc.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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