Take infields with a pinch of salt

2019-10-25T14:30:44+00:00

Glad to see someone here understands the truth.

tiddu · 2019-10-25T15:14:55+00:00

This is what we need more on this subreddit.. Real stuff

smoothmax · 2019-10-25T15:41:35+00:00

Better lump it, because unless they pony up for a bootcamp, infields are the only thing that guys have which will help them learn how to talk to women in real life. You can't read PUA books like Models, The Natural, Mystery Method, 3% Man and then go out and chat up girls like an SOB. It would take months to learn that real pickup is a lot more boring sounding than any book implies.

1) There actually lots of UK infields where they approach and have nice interactions with British girls. If there are fewer infields than with foreign girls it's because UK girls tend to be fat, badly dressed and feminist. There are reasons for this which I don't need to go into. And being on home turf UK women have dating options arising from social circles.

As for the PUAs' looks ... you're looking at PUA from the wrong end of the telescope. Some "ugly" daygamers like Yad do well because their vibe is incredibly relaxed. Tom T in my opinion never had a relaxed vibe and it's probably why he faked infields. Ugly is as ugly does.

2) Todd has never impressed me. His vibe is too tense. It shows in his facial expression and tonality, even in his lecture videos. No point wasting time trying to learn from his infields. I don't understand his popularity as a coach except maybe he appeals to autistic guys ... shrug.

3) The MTV beach approaches are as you describe. Such as that guy who was posting hat-cam vids from Miami Beach every day for a while. But they're good examples of how to be easygoing and conversational. The babes are hot and his approaches are fearless. Un-social guys need examples and unless they have a friend who's a natural that they follow around, this is what they should watch.

Conclusion: you seem to be saying, don't bother learning pickup because it's fake and you have to be handsome to get anywhere with women. I reject that hypothesis. There are fakes but you have to be a discriminating consumer. You have to be aware of inner game and weed out the fakes using intuition. Handsomeness helps but it ain't everything. If being average to ugly makes mating impossible then why are their so many fugly guys out there? Their Dads did "ok" without learning any game at all.

DBOLsinyourmouth · 2019-10-25T18:42:14+00:00

The more I look at PUA stuff, the more I realize that it's mostly garbage. I think it's true that the only way to actually improve your "game" is to literally just become a more confident, attractive man in general. PUA's fake being alphas, but that will never trump actually becoming alpha.

crawleycrepe · 2019-10-25T19:47:50+00:00

Brutal Real talk lol

I saw someone on Krausers blog recently mention some similar points in regards to trickery that the industry use to fool people.

The fact that mystery managed to convince a even a small number of people that girls don't care about looks and that they experience attraction differently is actually pretty impressive lol. It's like convincing people that the sun isn't hot.

It's like, you can work an office job and a handsome guy comes in to deliver something, and when he leaves, all the young girls are getting excited and giggling and trying to find his insta and are like ''Shall I ask him out?? hehe?'' sort of thing whilst you're like ''Nahhh....mystery told me girls don't care about looks'' lol

PS - I'm definitely a believe in 'game'. Like, without social skills, unless you are ridiculously handsome, it won't be enough to get laid with most hot girls. You need to be able to build comfort, not be weird,, escalate in smooth way etc (game)

But on the flip side, the idea that you can force attraction in some girl with your 'game' even if she isn't physically attracted to you is crazy talk.

seins345 · 2019-11-09T09:27:21+00:00

Hey there guys,

I have worked filming guys who are actually running bootcamps, know other guys who run them and film, and i think i can give an honest opinion on the matter.

I truly believe most infield that is shown on youtube and private products is, indeed, the best infield they have to offer.

My job was to film two super skillful guys who do not teach anymore, but I lived with them and honest to god they sometimes pulled 3-4 times a week. However, and this is where you have to think. This was their profession.

Our schedule when building material for our trailers was go film 7 days a week from 10am to 9 or sometimes 10 pm on weekdays and nightgame filming on the weekends.

Let me tell you there was weeks where we only had 1 or 2 good shots. It was not they didn't get results, it's just that getting good quality infield, meaning a great shot, with a great "shocking" interaction that sparks the viewer attracion, with a girl that looks good on camera is harder than you might think. And these were guys with GREAT game.

Now I also know the scammer guys who are not good and do the same, well, they just do the same we do. They just run the statistics and voila, they look like masters, but they are not.

So, I agree with OP. If you guys are NEW to game and do not have a solid 2-3 years of going out regularly. Don't trust any infield. Use them as inspiration source, but never trust them.

My suggestion is: if you are interested taking a program with anyone, go see them live first. Make no exceptions. If a guy is good, you will feel it when you see him infield.

And don't be butthurt guys, the joys of the lifestyle are totally true. Pick up changed my life, but it ain't easy, quite the contrary. It takes a shit ton of time to get good, and a shit ton of effort to maintain.

Yamatoman9 · 2019-10-25T17:20:02+00:00

The idolization of "famous" PUA's just seems strange to me. I have always taken infield videos with a grain of salt.

Twobithatter · 2019-10-26T00:47:22+00:00

The jack manly videos are stupid funny. I just watched about a minute of his videos. Something I keep in mind is that they’ll always use their best infields. I could spend all day getting rejected and then post the one time I wasn’t as a FR.

Love_Headshot · 2019-10-26T17:42:18+00:00

Alex from 4WN, said something similar for point number 1.

Actually he was pretty straightforward that it is very rare to get a one-night stand(with a nice girl) from the bar the very same night. You can get out of the bar with her, you can get in a cab with her, you can even get to her or your place but most of the time nothing happens. From my experience the biggest chance of something happening in the last scenario - she comes to your place, two of you alone.

Though, everyone who goes out on a night game often knows that it's way easier to pull at her place and that's 70% of the time than going to your place.

So yeah pulling is happening the same night often but the sex itself probably will take you more than one interaction.

This should be considered based on your location. The USA there is more of hookup culture, while Europe is more about dating, not the sex.

CharmingPsychopathX · 2019-10-30T08:06:34+00:00

Great post!

Unfortunately, there is a lot of dishonesty in the PUA community. It has been so for more than a decade (I'm almost 40 and I've entered the community in early 2000s), it has not been fixed and I doubt it will ever be fixed.

I had situations when I've met some "famous" PUAs in real life and it turned out they sucked at seduction - completely contrary to their internet image, including infields.

Title	Take infields with a pinch of salt
Author	IntrepidFoot
Upvotes	35
Comments	13
Date	October 25, 2019 11:08 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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