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And, I want to apologize on behalf of my gender to all of you. I am sorry society treats you like scum. I am sorry media portrays you as stupid. I am sorry the government fails you. To be honest we get treated considerably worse at r/GoodMenGoodValues. If we get acknowledged at all, to MGTOW 1.0 we are just incels and female validation seekers; to feminists we are just misogynists; to others we're just losers and that's why we don't get laid. Nobody understands the concept of a man with standard…
/r/MGTOW220/04/19 01:02 AM
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reduce the amplitude of the cycle Would be something, at least.
/r/MGTOW220/04/19 12:33 AM
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What about helping people manage their emotions better? Meditation? Stoicism?
/r/MGTOW220/04/19 12:30 AM
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If that's a cycle that can't be broken, sure is depressing.
/r/MGTOW219/04/19 02:44 AM
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I wish they'd do that for GoodMenGoodValues.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/04/19 12:22 AM
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Always refreshing to find someone with these levels of commonality!
/r/MGTOW217/04/19 03:45 AM
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Oh wow, I started my jiu-jitsu off with Matt Sera's instructionals. Powerlifting is amazing, I've got Rippetoe's Starting Strength book.
/r/MGTOW217/04/19 03:32 AM
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Same as you basically. But with mixed martial arts thrown in the mixed (great for all round body conditioning - because pure strength training alone doesn't always quite "cut it" unless you're extremely dedicated, unfortunately). Flexibility, endurance and isometric strength from yoga also facilitates the MMA (kicking, jiu-jitsu, etc.) and even some of the lifts to an extent. I never did strongman sadly but have always loved the idea.
/r/MGTOW217/04/19 03:19 AM
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But I did originally set out for advice, I even said: Although some might not agree with that sentiment, I would find it useful to hear people's advice how to find success with these things anyway. ​ Other members chose to make this into a gender based row, not me. And I am not "full of shit" just for pointing out the reality of dating for men in the 21st Century (no comment there on what it was like before as I am by no means advocating a return to traditional dating as an alternative). It need…
/r/seduction30/03/19 08:47 PM
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if you want something you have to get it. Now don't give me this. Few, if any men have made the kinds of efforts I have made to better myself and apply myself to dating. I am done with shit tests and jumping through hoops for women and anything that is PUA related. Call it entitlement but the truth is that I deserve better and have done for a long time. To say that is just a reflection of the sad state dating is for men now: too many women simply expect us to be their puppets and do a dancing mo…
/r/seduction30/03/19 08:02 PM
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Handling a shit test is not a trick, and not a gimmick. But it is. I should not have to jump through another person's (man or woman's) hoops. Attempting to do so is a demonstration of subservience, a submission of personal worth. Frame is another thing altogether. All women do that, so it is normal and healthy. Just because a lot of people do something doesn't make it healthy. A lot of people eat fast food, a lot of Westeners are overweight, a lot of them spend too many hours playing video games…
/r/seduction30/03/19 07:59 PM
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I just don't like the way the whole concept is framed: "passing a shit test" = jumping through hoops "refusing to play games" = being real ​ And that's what it all boils down to: is PUA going to keep on recommend that men hopelessly submitting show validation by playing women's games or are they going to start advocating we be real even if it means that ultimately we have to disregard women and find our own tao in life? Even if it means that ultimately we will never be as fulfilled as we could h…
/r/seduction30/03/19 06:34 PM
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Handling shit tests is not optative. You can recommend shit test defusal if you want but you don't get the privilege of saying you are from a so-called "authentic" or "natural" school of PUA. Either you advocate tricks and gimmicks or you don't. I'm aware that some men are successful with these tacks but I opt instead to do away with head games as even if I chose to use them it's not my strength and I would just get burned out by it anyway. ​ It is part of normal and healthy women. No. Playing h…
/r/seduction30/03/19 06:29 PM
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I don't think you get to say something like "don't be a cheesy PUA artist" but simultaneously say that I've got to learn how to defuse shit tests. The two things go hand in hand. What if I'm not interested in women who play head games?
/r/seduction30/03/19 12:32 PM
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No, I need to be able to approach in real life and not pay anything on her behalf first. That's the way it's got to be - otherwise you can't help me although I may kindly appreciate the effort regardless.
/r/seduction30/03/19 01:09 AM
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I know you can just do that and that you agree with what I'm saying but I am talking about how to date her without paying for anything whatsoever on her end and still get laid.
/r/seduction29/03/19 09:46 PM
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It's very easy to look for them (without ethically approving of him Cassanova is a start, Kierkegaard is another - non-sexually successful but lists the social conventions of his time, Robert Greene's book lists a bunch of them as well I understand) and I came here for advice about how to find casual sex without using apps or meet up groups. So I don't get why you're trying to detour this conversation into something else rather than responding to the OP.
/r/seduction29/03/19 08:06 PM
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Ever since men were first able to put pen to paper about the fact they were sexually attracted to women and how to go about it.
/r/seduction29/03/19 07:51 PM
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You will wait forever for a woman to initiate sex. It will never happens. Well actually it can and often does happen. But I want to be the initiator anyway so I'm not sure why you feel the need to debate me on this. ​ Don't pay for it. Yeah but many women are put off by this because they see the guy as cheap. Whereas PUA theory that you make her more invested in you often doesn't work. So what can you do to not pay for her side of the date but still be sexually successful? ​ If you do not want P…
/r/seduction29/03/19 07:31 PM
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Well, if you make it your mission to approach as I have, you will find more women come up to you but also reject your advances. Well, I have approached many women trying to use online advice and yes normally it falls short so yes, people are too lazy to think of how to decently go about approaching women without Tinder. They say that but then they usually mean times when they approached they don't mind splitting the bill. If the guy approached them or invited them around their house, they would …
/r/seduction29/03/19 07:27 PM
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"Don't ask a fish how to catch them, ask a fishermen" I already know men to give equally lame advice (not meaning to infer this comment is lame advice) from painful and extended experience so I'm hardly interested in that analogy. But often, when guys at bars have approached me, they didn't start a conversation with anything other than "Do you want a drink?" Well, I mean there is not much else to say when you have not already established rapport with someone so that will be the reason why. I ten…
/r/seduction29/03/19 06:36 PM
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By the time I make it to a $60k job (£47k where I'm from) I'm probably not going to be open to dating anymore. These types of women leave it way too late: they wait until the guy is past his twenties, cynical and disillusioned about dating or women because they did not get normal dating experiences in their twenties either and they had to put up with all of this "oh but that makes you a Nice GuyTM" bullshit when trying to talk about how fucked up dating is. Also, "you're not truly a good man unl…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/01/19 09:39 AM
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Yeah, I had considered that might also be the case but did not want to assume. If he'd simply posted on MGTOW 1 or 2 though that alone would have probably given him a lot of extra shares and user views.
/r/MGTOW220/01/19 11:35 PM
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I can't help but feel like the significance of this advert was diminished by making it a response to Gilette rather than a standalone video. I understand why some people thought it was patronising of Gilette to make this video about what men "should be" (as if rapists and woman beaters would actually stop to listen or care or as if it would have been the one thing to incentivise decent men to behave decently). But it just detracts from the point of view of the original content creator by making …
/r/MGTOW220/01/19 10:40 PM
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Yeah, I hate hearing incels and MGTOW types talking about cucks, white knights, blue pilled normies, Chads & Stacies, etc. I understand why they do it and what they mean by it all. I just think they utterly obliterate their own message and the actually rational sentiments they have to express. It's like inceltears say: these groups are too impressionable by the alt-right, that's why they copied most of their memes and lingo. If it had not been for that, we might have had people expressing actual…
/r/MGTOW211/01/19 10:40 PM
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Ok, so when women complain about dating, they are told that they really don't have it that hard compared to us and rightfully so. Men on the other hand, oh we're sexists, misogynists, entitled "nice guy" posers. I mean if you don't believe me, just take a look at masstagger and ask yourself, why is WAATGM listed as a hate subreddit but not r/niceguys? Also notice how there's all these pathetic guys in the comments practically kissing her shoes too: "oh yes, I know, everything is just soo hard fo…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/01/19 07:26 PM
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Ok, so when women complain about dating, they are told that they really don't have it that hard compared to us and rightfully so. Men on the other hand, oh we're sexists, misogynists, entitled "nice guy" posers. I mean if you don't believe me, just take a look at masstagger and ask yourself, why is WAATGM listed as a hate subreddit but not r/niceguys?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/01/19 11:06 AM
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They are allowed to post here in the interests of open discussion about MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW208/01/19 10:33 AM
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But this sub is not any of those things. It is a non-toxic environment for men to go their own way. Similar to how r/GoodMenGoodValues is a non-toxic environment for men to discuss legitimate criticisms they have of the dating game in a healthy way.
/r/MGTOW208/01/19 10:30 AM
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Saying you want to take all women's rights away and make the west look like Afghanistan under the Taliban (because that is somehow good for men?) is very much hateful. There are some grey areas in a sub like this but this isn't one of them.
/r/MGTOW208/01/19 07:01 AM
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burn all the family/divorce courts, hang all the judges, and take: not one, not two, but ALL womens rights away. We want the West looking like Afghanistan under the Taliban ​ r/mgtow2 is for thoughtful, genuine, open discussion about MGTOW and independent male life. Unlike the original r/mgtow, we are not overrun with hatred and negativity, and we do not ban everyone who questions us. ​ u/supernumiphone
/r/MGTOW208/01/19 06:24 AM
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Yep, been trying this for a while now: https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelsWithoutHate/comments/ad0xew/not_hate_just_my_perspective/edciprm https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen/comments/ablpn0/sexual_liberation_is_only_part_of_the_problem_the/ed3vsas
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/01/19 03:44 AM
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50% of marriages end in divorce My background is more educated / low to mid class. I'm not saying that to sound like a snotty nosed prick I'm just pointing out I don't think that figure applies to all socioeconomic bands the same way. For example, men from my background are more likely to get annulments, carefully scrutinise the women who we get involved in. I also know that it is possible to have a successful relationship without marriage. I also know that men who pick the right women compatibl…
/r/MGTOW206/01/19 04:11 PM
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"wah wah wah why does Stacey want Chad and not me? Time to drive a truck through a crowd of roastie whores, ELIOT ROGER FOREVER." Right and that's not GMGV at all. ​ "I'll patiently wait here until Stacy hits the wall, Also not GMGV. We would prefer men to be successful in their 20s. For me personally I will go actually MGTOW (in the sense it's supposed to be) at 30. Definitely not waiting for Stacy to hit the wall. ​ I'll be damn it the BEST PROVIDER I CAN BE." I have no idea where you get this…
/r/MGTOW205/01/19 11:41 PM
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Did you really need to respond to every damn point? ​ Yeah, they do if they're stealth alts to discredit subs they don't like. Think about people who write racist graffiti on their own houses and then call the media ... There are dedicated SJW volunteers who spend their entire unemployable lives doing just that. So we're talking about dedicated trolling then. And a lot of it at that. Not something I buy personally. ​ Remember that ShitRedditSays was basically SomethingAwful people deciding to tr…
/r/MGTOW205/01/19 10:46 PM
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The negative vibe in MGTOW 1.0 is due to feminists and SJWs stealth taking over that subreddit and turning into incel whining central, Nice theory but feminists and SJWs don't all vote Donald Trump or bash on women and feminists 24/7. The problem with MGTOW 1.0 isn't coming from the left. ​ with a view to painting us as nothing but bitter misogynists who need to be quarantined. That would be some dedicated trolling and high-level conspiracy theory right there. ​ "But don't you think there really…
/r/MGTOW205/01/19 09:50 PM
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Then they should fuck off from MGTOW and go back to "Wah, wuh, women, why don't they like me, cry cry cry". Bit of a harsh sentiment that already contributed to the negative vibe you see in MGTOW 1.0 now but ok. ​ I think you don't go to /r/atheism and talk about God , /r/Judaism and talk about "everyone should follow Prophet Muhammed (sim sim salabim magic Muslim words etc)". Or /r/feminism and go "what about the menz". I think a better example would be an agnostic or weak atheist talking about…
/r/MGTOW205/01/19 09:20 PM
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I get what you're saying. I just think there are frustrated guys that could still be somewhat invested in women without going overboard but have some things in common with actual MGTOWs like focussing more on themselves, their own lives, etc. I think ostracising these guys just contributes to a negative atmosphere and macho cult overtime like what we saw at MGTOW 1.0 and this makes for bad chemistry. Maybe I'm just biased on this one because I am one of those guys but then again that's why I und…
/r/MGTOW205/01/19 08:30 PM
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There's a few things about this. You've decided to define incel by the negative connotations associated with the term by media, rather than the literal definition of a man who struggles to find intimacy Incels see the gender war, are losing at it, crying about it, and doing things like murdering people because they don't get the effort-free sex from the most beautiful women on earth that they demand. All about THE VAGINA. ​ Which is fine given the way so many incels behave. But you have given MG…
/r/MGTOW205/01/19 05:20 PM
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Well in theory at least a MGTOW isn't supposed to be committed to a woman but doing his own thing. I think there are men that desperately want to be with women but couldn't make it, so that's why they supposedly went "MGTOW" and I mean this in the best possible sense: they wanted to find some kind of meaning in life without women. But this also lead to an infiltration of MGTOW by some of the worst types of men which brings me to the purpose of GMGV which you just asked. The purpose is for the me…
/r/MGTOW205/01/19 03:48 PM
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I wouldn't like to see posts on MGTOW2 that "engage in a legitimate and constructive expression about difficulties in the dating game" Well if it is expressed as a valid reason or purpose for men who ultimately decide to GTOW or that they might inevitably end up GTOW, it doesn't seem to me like an altogether bad thing - as long as the focus is still on self-improving and getting by a lonely patch in life through self-improvement. I'm just saying that there is more legitimate crossover to MGTOW 2…
/r/MGTOW205/01/19 09:13 AM
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why would any man willingly choose to be a beta provider to an alpha widow? The fact is they do. This subreddit exposes alpha widows usually in a minority group who are struggling to find commitment. But typically, the unstated understanding is that very rarely is this anything but a temporary phase. Betas will commit out of desperation if not purely out of low self-esteem (typically overly feminist men who thinks the decisions these women made were well-reasoned and perfectly justified). MG/STO…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/01/19 10:14 PM
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I don't think hypergamy really suits most men though since men typically won't find results with women through casual dating apart from a small minority of them. The ability of women to do this just leads to heart breaks when they expected commitment but didn't get it and disillusionment from men who were not sexually successful in their youth but now are expected to commit to monogamous arrangements regardless. Imposing monogamy at this stage wouldn't protect disillusioned men because all of th…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/01/19 09:26 PM
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As it happens, and as a self-identified "purple pilled man" I have frequently discussed both subjects and explained my own grey area relation to MGTOW and the red pill: http://archive.li/R3oPF https://www.reddit.com/r/SRU_91/comments/9kif4r/an_argument_for_mgstow/
/r/MGTOW229/12/18 06:20 AM
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I think it's ok to talk about the fact dating is harder for men and some (not all) women have toxic traits that contribute to this. Kind of like in the way we do at r/GoodMenGoodValues. But otherwise, yeah I can get behind this.
/r/MGTOW229/12/18 12:56 AM
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You didn't really address my question. Because you phrased it with an insult and also did not answer any of my questions or the material in the OP. ​ Learn to say more and write less. The post fits straight into a computer screen and even has a tl;dr. ​ This all reads like the diatribes of Ted Kaczynski. Another unwarranted insult that injures the progress of a good faith discussion. ​ What makes you think women give a shit about [those] who are "disillusioned." If they have had bad experiences …
/r/askTRP24/12/18 10:37 PM
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Beta loser is your own negative projection. I describe a demograph of men with positive traits such as engaging in self-improvement, career/financial/business orientations, pro-activeness, fashion, physical aesthetics, working out, approaching women and so forth. If these men can't be successful it's because of the nature of the game and the hostile environment it elicits for men with analytical tendencies and good, assertive, communicative and boundary drawing traits (such as the polarising, co…
/r/askTRP24/12/18 07:58 PM
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Wrestling lets you decide whether you want the fight to stay standing or go to the ground. Assuming you have basic muay thai and bjj nailed already, that's where the money is.
/r/askTRP24/12/18 03:33 AM
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Are you just going to make out like the post is not man enough for red pill or are you going to answer the question?
/r/askTRP24/12/18 02:56 AM
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Even though in dating, jaded men often have had bad experiences and circumstantial justifications for feeling in a negative way, it is ultimately a character flaw I grant you that. But there are many worse character flaws that women can be bad at detecting (in some contexts) - sociopathy, machiavellianism and narcissism for example are character flaws that can be disguised by men with high intelligence, confidence and charisma. You might be inclined to argue that these are attractive character f…
/r/RedPillWomen21/12/18 07:44 PM
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It's not about MGTOWs see here: http://archive.is/H3eTJ
/r/RedPillWomen21/12/18 01:37 PM
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I'm not suggesting or recommending. I am starting a discussion to find out if it's the case some individuals might find that useful. I don't think there will be two people that use Red Pill strategies exactly the same - male or female.
/r/RedPillWomen21/12/18 01:24 AM
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See conversation with ludakrit.
/r/RedPillWomen21/12/18 01:20 AM
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Disillusionment happens through 20s as well. As I envision it disillusioned men in their twenties with otherwise good qualities are more SRUGM and disillusioned me in their thirties with otherwise good qualities are more MG/STOW. The reason a woman may try to seek commitment from a MG/STOW is if she is hitting the wall. Women who are more prudent may seek SRUGMs earlier on in life before the process of disillusionment completely unravels.
/r/RedPillWomen21/12/18 01:19 AM
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For MG/STOW, follow the archive link to learn more: http://archive.is/EjwkI ​ For Sexually and Romantically Unsuccessful Good Men (SRUGMs), follow the links within the imgur link attached (you will have to manually type them into your search bar): https://imgur.com/a/ZHxxZ27 ​ See r/GoodWomenGoodValues for discussion on subjects about dating strategy that accounts for male disillusionment.
/r/RedPillWomen21/12/18 01:11 AM
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That's right. I'm not talking about "MGTOWs" but "MG/STOWs". There is a difference. Can I post archive or imgur links here?
/r/RedPillWomen21/12/18 01:06 AM
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The demographic of isolated and disillusioned men includes a wider population than MGTOW. But if you are not sexually attracted to them, the idea of implementing an altered dating strategy is not relevant for you personally.
/r/RedPillWomen21/12/18 12:55 AM
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Yeah but mods will do a better job of cleaning that stuff up here. I reckon we could do with the extra subscribers and show people what MGTOW is really about.
/r/MGTOW213/12/18 08:04 PM
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Let them banwave. It just means more folks will join over here anyway, which is the saner and more rational of the two places.
/r/MGTOW213/12/18 05:29 PM
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Do you have examples? I would be interested in taking down posts that do not fit our theme. I don't really want to call people out or make a big deal about it. Also I think they are mainly endorsed contributors so they are allowed to post out of the theme a little. Endorsed contributors are allowed to write essays on their experiences which are considered "Responses", even if that response does not adhere to the letter of the theme. Regular posts and other, non endorsed responses must adhere to …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/11/18 08:14 PM
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Ok, I appreciate and apologise that the thread was outside the central theme (I've seen posts approved here sometimes only loosely related to the central theme? or maybe they were just from endorsed contributors). But I want to ask, ​ We don't need a discussion on how women reject genuinely nice guys because we have fucking lived their hell in the past. Since this sub is about exposing their behaviour after the fact (by the way Jenna Marbles seems to have experienced a lot of relationship proble…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/11/18 07:51 PM
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she might tell you about how a "guy friend" or ex raped her(or tried to rape her) to invoke your protective instincts. He'll be at some group outing a few weeks later and she'll be surprised you don't want to play nice with him. Did he actually assault her? God only knows. Fucking hell.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/11/18 06:57 PM
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The weak need not attempt, for it will take more strength than you even know you possess; more patience, more resilience, more tenacity, more resolve. It requires a relentless love, one that is determined and not easily defeated. I laughed out loud at this. It's not a question of whether men are able ("strong" enough) to put up with bullshit. It's a question of whether men are willing to put up with bullshit and for what reason or motivation they would be inclined to put up with bullshit. Strong…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/11/18 06:54 PM
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To be honest, I would date women that were being promiscuous in their twenties if I was getting the same slice of pie. But as I am in my late twenties, approaching 30, I know that most/all women (and these single mothers) who show interest in me now would (most likely) have been the same ones rejecting me in my early / mid-twenties. That's why I feel so disillusioned by dating. Not because I'm MGTOW and totally abstained from dating or anything (but getting closer to that point) but I just don't…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/11/18 09:55 PM
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So this is basically the antithesis to the problem some sexually / romantically unsuccessful guys have with the niceguy sub that what some single mothers have with this sub. The sexually frustrated guys are saying "hey, we don't all act like douchebags: this sub promotes a narrative about us that is unfair. There's basically decent guys who are not looking to date out of their league and don't act all creepy or entitled when a woman rejects us. If we act confused or frustrated about our circumst…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/11/18 09:01 PM
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I love how all the PPD circlejerkers went ahead and rationalised this instead of addressing the OP's points: I don't think it's a controversial opinion that 'different forms of manipulation/subtle coercion in an attempt to get something another person doesn't want to give you are all generally shitty and disrespectful.' This user basically upfront ignores the hypocrisy of the fact that men with decent and otherwise desirable qualities still get isolated and rejected often enough to want to discu…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/11/18 02:24 AM
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It shows that he is worthy of her companionship without paying for it, and that she will respect and be subservient to him more. Yeah, this is the bottom line of what I'm trying to get at. Too often women justify and rationalise their demand for a male provider by appealing to biology. And we can find a logical argument buried in there somehwere. But it's different times now and we need to move in a more egalitarian direction.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/11/18 12:00 AM
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Or just that in general, men shouldn't be expected to run around catering to women's every whimsical wants and demands. But yes, it is especially relevant in a modern so-called "egalitarian" context. The situation changes with children a bit but only during the period of time that the mother gets maternity leave. Not so much after and definitely not before the woman gets pregnant. And really and truly people should consider the role of the father more in child rearing especially with the ideolog…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/11/18 10:40 PM
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If they were together, as far as I'm concerned in a modern egalitarian social climate both partners really ought to be contributing to the household financially as well as domestically. A 50/50 burden for both partners is the only fair and reasonable arrangement to consider. The traditionalist narrative which puts social pressure on men to be breadwinners and providers is a big causal factor of betabuxxing because men feel like it's their duty now. And that in turn gives women even more power in…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/11/18 10:13 PM
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As far as I'm concerned they should split the bill regardless.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/11/18 09:59 PM
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Huh?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/11/18 02:56 PM
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At this point, I'm not even sure it's worth trying to fight this anymore. People are too stupid to learn from history. ​ Having said that, Pride and Prejudice is a very old book which unwittingly counters the nice guy villain narrative, because the protagonist in that is a misunderstood nice guy who's credentials are proven towards the end.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/11/18 10:02 PM
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Somebody will probably take her up.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/10/18 02:52 PM
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If I am still virgin at 30, I swear to god it's hookers ---> MG/STOW https://www.reddit.com/r/SRU_91/comments/9kif4r/an_argument_for_mgstow/
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/10/18 08:09 PM
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Sometimes it is hard to separate the wheat from the chaff though is the problem. For example, black pill make a lot of good points about how looks influence female attraction; what makes a good looking guy (face, height, muscularity, etc.); social forces like feminism that try to obfuscate the impact that looks have on female attraction and also social & biological forces that exacerbate the impact of hypergamy. Unfortunately though, they are so hell-bent on pushing their lookism narrative that …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/10/18 02:35 PM
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Yes it's true that younger adult women tend to be more attractive overall. I think what people are annoyed about is the fact whoever created this image hurts their point by focussing on these ephebophiliac tendencies whereas he could have made a strong point simply by focussing more on a slightly older age bracket. But because of the way this person framed his argument, of course people like r/inceltears get to rip apart and ignore the more rational element. It's the same deal with many incel co…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/10/18 02:35 AM
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Women look best around the 20 mark. When I was a teenager I had a thing for 30 year old MILFs but as I get later into my twenties I generally prefer early 20 year old women and find mid to late twenty year old women have dreadful attitudes. 30 plus women are either taken or something is actually wrong with them. For example, they treated betas like shit in their 20s and now they're all used up and want a betabux provider or some shit like that. For eample, they're crazy cat ladies screaming "but…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/10/18 06:16 PM
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You think I never acted aloof to a woman?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/10/18 12:42 AM
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Permabanned and my friend thinks I'm a narcissist. https://www.reddit.com/r/purplepillcirclejerk/comments/9p1ml7/why_outsider_analytical_men_see_appeal_in_dark/
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/10/18 07:45 PM
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I was banned from Purple Pill Debate :(
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/10/18 07:33 PM
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Well, put it this way. I might still comment from time to time but I'm probably not going to post here anymore. Not after this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 12:59 AM
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Yes, because the Isla Vista Killer (damnatio memoriae) was approaching women and lifting. Also, none of my posts has any relevance to gender dynamics or dating strategy (pill theory) ... none of that has any relevance at all. Ok, whatever. u/LeaneGenova
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 11:57 PM
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I'm building her up to the foundations of PPIHICSRUVAM what's it to you bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 11:12 PM
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I met a gypsy and she hipped me to some life game To stimulate then activate the left and right brain
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 11:09 PM
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Those links are outside this subreddit and Red Pill (I am not Red Pill, I have also been temporarily banned from TRP - probably by the time the ban is lifted their subreddit will have been removed anyway - and I am not married [MRP], so). This post was an advice seeking one. I was open to receiving feedback.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 11:01 PM
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Sometimes a society's social contracts work in it's favour. Sometimes they represent the fall of the society such as with Ancient Rome. Good Man Discourse (GMD) questions whether this society's attitudes to the way Sexually and Romantically Unsuccessful Good Men (SRUGMs) are treated is really in society's interests. Relevant subjects of GMD include: the fact that there may be a significant demograph of Good Men (GMs) falling behind in the dating world now and what can be done about it what does …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:58 PM
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I like this one: im wit that im wit all o dat but im tellin you what we need to do we need some space futuristic type things im sayin lets do that lets get at dat its that time folk lets do it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:52 PM
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Maybe he likes Gucci?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:44 PM
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Yes, ok. And part of the traditional dating game is slut-shaming and historically, has been forced monogamy as well. Obviously traditional dating is something that benefits everyone. Any individual that doesn't like it can go fuck themselves because as far as anyone else is concerned, the world doesn't owe them! And with this principle, the foundations of society were constructed!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:43 PM
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progress/accountability threads Where are those?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:30 PM
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Men, especially when they are "outsiders", have a harder time dating than everybody else - or just socialising in general. An outsider: "disillusioned about certain tenets of society and dating. We might see the requirement for men to pay for dates as sexist and something to avoid. We're sometimes referred to as "omega" but this could sound misleading as if we have no positive traits (like being in shape physically, being career oriented, engaging in self-improvement, etc.). We can feel isolated…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:24 PM
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You asked me if anyone here liked the content and I gave you a few names. u/SadoMasochrist was a user who at least thought my content was worthwhile engaging with and was pissed off when a mod removed a post. There was another user who thought it was shit I was being discouraged from exploring my ideas on PPD: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9me0e0/purple_pill_guy_tries_to_swallow_the_red_pill/e7dyewm So go ahead and say what I write is manure. It is not shit to everyone and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:12 PM
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Well some people did reply to individual points. For example wekacuck replied to the one about bench press.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:00 PM
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Maybe I've got things to talk about?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 09:59 PM
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Maybe Lil Pump's lyrics are high quality for Lil Pump. What's it to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 09:58 PM
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u/FirstPitchThrow is active here just infrequently. u/SkookumTree is a guy who said I have good content it is just the presentation that could be worked on. u/WekaCuck is another guy who agreed with (certain) points. As are a few other users I just can't remember their names.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 09:46 PM
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If people wanted, they could have just respond to individual bullet points, and I would not have minded.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 09:37 PM
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Maybe I'm not thirsty?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 09:36 PM
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u/FirstPitchThrow posts here and would probably vouch for my content.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 09:33 PM
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I think you already know I make good quality content people just don't want to give me a chance. If you're not going to be honest about that, I can't see this conversation going anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 09:05 PM
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Done.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:58 PM
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A blog or one of my subreddits would have very little if any post feedback My post was concise.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:54 PM
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I pay attention to what they say then I think for myself about what the best thing is: what is true what is just what is rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:52 PM
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What about if I actually want to receive advice and feedback?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:52 PM
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If a man turns his head so many times and pretend that he just doesn't see, there's only so much I can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:51 PM
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What if I don't feel like being your dancing monkey? What if I told you all you've got to do is read my post history to see that I spit some hard truths about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:34 PM
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Sounds more like it was a bragging FR. I mean, I would be more inclined to brag if I got laid already.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:24 PM
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Already covered by THIS IS NOT YOUR BLOG. Not really. Okay but either way no one wants to hear anyone whine about how they can't laid. Was an advice seeking post, not whining because I can't get laid. You need to practice your reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:19 PM
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There's also no rule specifically stating I can't spam the sub with dick pics but that doesn't mean it's allowed. It's obvious that's not what the sub is for. And what about the rest of the comment? Tomato tomata. No, it's not "tomato tomata". One is literally throwing his lot in with a zealot crowd of rape & paedophilia apologists while the other is just a virgin without any of the ideological bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:05 PM
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Truths everywhere, just gotta read what I write.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:03 PM
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It changes everything. I've "read the room" and this is the conclusion I've came to: Real world experience and documenting interactions that are related to gender dynamics and/or dating strategy are 100 times more relevant to pill theory than navel-gazing and mental masturbation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:02 PM
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Yeah but this ain't your blog. Relevant: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9o4wjj/weekly_community_chat_megathread_14_october_2018/e7rkl66 This also isn't an incels sub. Incel =/= virgin
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:57 PM
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Like I said, In Red Pill and PUA communities everywhere, 90% of the focus is on field reports - i.e. actual effort put into real world dating ... Without that aspect to it this sub [is] nothing more than empty, fruitless navel-gazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:54 PM
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The post was not an essay. It was actually a pretty sweet, short, simple and condensed post that actually journalled some of my self-improvement, lifting, shirtless pics, cold approaching and that kind of thing. ​ If this sub banned men for being sexually unsuccessful it would lost most of its male userbase The problem is not that I am unsuccessful in dating. The problem is, I expose the fact dating is a harsh game for men and mods / users clearly find that intolerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:51 PM
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There is literally no rule that says you are not allowed to journal. In Red Pill and PUA communities everywhere, 90% of the focus is on field reports - i.e. actual effort put into real world dating (lifting, self-improvement, cold-approach). Without that aspect to it this sub has literally no trial and error for it's theorising (blue versus red pill and some purples, blacks, etc.) which makes it nothing more than empty, fruitless navel-gazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:47 PM
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I did for a while but then I realised you could still respond to all my comments and posts anyway (they are just hidden from sight when logged into reddit) so it was a pointless endeavour because I would prefer to at least know what you're saying so I can respond when I need to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:44 PM
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Excuses. If mods want posts presented in a specific manner, they should provide clearer guidelines in the sidebar. As far as I'm concerned my post has been removed in whimsical fashion because some people don't like the truths I'm espousing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:20 PM
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Yet they have an advice flair ... hmm, interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:04 PM
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My threads on r/PurplePillCircleJerk or r/PurplePillPurge is where we will have to speak if mods ban me and you want to continue this conversation. Those guys are naturally successful because they are more intuitive on the whole, whereas my personality type is analytical, thus I need to break things down first. As for monogamy, I disagree but my stance on the subject is complicated. I can PM you links if you want though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:02 PM
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And I am not, and never have been, interested in you, your opinions, or your toxicity.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:54 PM
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I've heard protein shakes, etc. can cause kidney stones. Anyway, my post got removed, check here: https://www.reddit.com/r/purplepillcirclejerk/comments/9o567z/srus_progress_journal_14th_oct_week_1_seeking/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:46 PM
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My post got removed, check here: https://www.reddit.com/r/purplepillcirclejerk/comments/9o567z/srus_progress_journal_14th_oct_week_1_seeking/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:46 PM
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What? Anyway, my post got removed. Check here: https://www.reddit.com/r/purplepillcirclejerk/comments/9o567z/srus_progress_journal_14th_oct_week_1_seeking/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:45 PM
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My post got removed check here: https://www.reddit.com/r/purplepillcirclejerk/comments/9o567z/srus_progress_journal_14th_oct_week_1_seeking/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:45 PM
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My post was removed because reasons (read, this is a sub where virgin men just get treated as incels and the fact that dealing with sexual / romantic isolation is a core part of all pill philosophy [red AND blue] is irrelevant as far as mods and general PPD users are concerned). Actually, no reason was given. People who want to read my post can do so at r/purplepillcirclejerk https://www.reddit.com/r/purplepillcirclejerk/comments/9o567z/srus_progress_journal_14th_oct_week_1_seeking/ ​ As for PPD…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:43 PM
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The problem is I bench at home, and it doesn't have pins. Usually I would be fine if it wasn't for the grade 1 pectoral strain. It should have gone by now but stuck around since about 2016 (I said 2015, it was actually 2016). I'm actually quite good with safety, that was why I knew when to rack it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:28 PM
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They are in relationships and anyway, I don't date online.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:25 PM
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Believe me, I'm not interested in long-term attachments anyway. PPD girls have talked to me privately and can vouch for me as a laid-back guy that doesn't get weird or obsessive (a non-incel/Nice Guy type).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:21 PM
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If you read my "purple pill guy tries to swallow the red pill" series on my link provided: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9m6pnw/take_the_purple_pill/ ​ You will see some of the failings with red pill. The other one is "what went wrong with TRP". If you make it through that, I have extra links as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:20 PM
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You'd be better off just explaining why you disagree than calling them a cuck. Otherwise if they want to do cuckoldry themselves let that be their own perogative. Keep in mind, people also call all kinds of shit that's not even cuckoldry cuckoldry now. Also, if you're in an open relationship where you get to bang lots of different women all the time but your partner occasionally sleeps with other men, it's not really a bad deal so long as you're getting tested and taking other precautions, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:16 PM
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I have been engaged in self-improvement for a long time. People just assume that if you are unsuccessful in dating all you do is whine, that you have no social skills or other physically/psychologically attractive features. My belief is that there is a shortage of dating advice on the internet for men who actually do have these attributes but find themselves sexually, romantically or socially isolated regardless. And I believe there are also a host of condescending attitudes to accompany this sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:08 PM
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Guys if you don't have anything helpful to say, please just don't comment. Otherwise mods will remove this post because of non-constructive circle jerking.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:02 PM
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I always felt like I stood out being one of the few / only men in the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 11:55 AM
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How often even is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 11:42 AM
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No, they do not always apply the label to themselves only. I remember a while ago they posted a video of a "Chad" student getting emotional and verbally assaulting a shorter "ricecel" teacher. And there are a lot of different ethnicities but whites are still the main one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 11:41 AM
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Yes it has not been very difficult to enforce. I typically warn or temporarily ban rather than outright ban users. It's possible to get automod to do some of the work for you (removing and warning users and hyperlinking them to modmail for times automod fucks up). I haven't personally bothered to program automod yet. For example, it would not be able to distinguish between "autistic" as a personal description and "autistic" as an insult. I did technically "break" my own rules one time, since I h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 11:39 AM
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Tbh, there were terms like "white knight" and "SJW" I thought about including but honestly I think they have their place for times when someone is being intolerably politically correct and just defending tenets that nobody really believes in but for the sake of riding a "holier than thou" pedestal. The words all have their correct application, it's just a question of how people monitor themselves or get monitored by others.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 11:05 PM
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And I'm pretty sure I explained that by this I did not mean they were currently promiscuous nor that being non-committal meant they had only ever dated casually. Merely that they had had more than one partner (including the virgin man they want to commit), therefore they have not just committed to the first person they dated.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 09:44 PM
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Autistic (as an insult rather than description of your personal situation) "Mentally deficient people" / retarded people / retards Any racial slur (p*ki, n*gger, etc.) Any insulting incel terminology (femoid, currycel, ricecel, etc.) Calling people a "cuck" just because their views are slightly to the left of yours, or because they told you to cool it down for saying something that was blatantly offensive and uncalled for
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 09:23 PM
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Tbh, I don't want it anyway: I want a woman who desires me rather than a woman who feels like she is doing me a favour or some demeaning shit like that. I deserve better.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 07:59 PM
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In the original comment, I was trying to distinguish women who are open to casual sex: I've been reading all these comments on PPD lately, for example where the women are either saying that they would not ever sleep with a virgin man or that they would not want to know beforehand if he was a virgin ... ​ From those who are not: The few women who said they would consider a virgin man that was honest about his sexual experience would only consider him for a relationship anyway (so barring the inex…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 07:54 PM
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I love that I get all of these threads dedicated to me now. Keep up the hardwork, PPD 👊 ​ Btw, cowgirl is in the domain of "ordinary" sex but technically "dominant" (unless she has her hands tied behind her back while she does it or something). My point was it's shitty people expect virgin guys have to suck it up and take what they get: commit to someone who is your first but you are not hers pay for an escort or be a beta provider and pay for all her dates go to a domme and be submissive "Khal …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 07:44 PM
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Most of the PPD community disagrees with you. Yeah, and if most people believe 2 + 2 = 5, where the number 4 has not been reconceptualised by language but still refers to one unit plus another unit plus another unit plus another unit, then most people are wrong in spite of the fact they have strength in numbers. ​ This is not what I said Obviously, everything that I said was hyperboled. However, what is true is that insidious social attitudes inevitably result in guys paying for the date. For ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 07:29 PM
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And men should take up mixed martial arts and do solitary yoga and lifting. And maybe calisthenetics/gymnastics/cardio.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 06:12 PM
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Only because people get strange about this stuff and then they have the cheek to say I'm the one with a weird attitude. No you're the ones with the funny traditionalist ideas about "men always have to pay for dates", "virgins don't get laid casually, they have to commit to promiscuous women", "men that do what they need to do and approach women for dating success are weirdos and probably sexual predators", etc., etc. I'm actually one of the few people with healthy attitudes on the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 06:07 PM
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Perhaps women could brainstorm and improve body contouring in ways that are more natural such as through dance and yoga than trip up over their high heels all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:56 PM
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But you ignore the point that women obviously like muscularity also?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:53 PM
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It isn't both A & B. There were plenty of women who would have casual sex but not with virgins and women who do not date casually and had had multiple partners in the past but would still expect a virgin man to commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:34 PM
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Two lovers could mutually masturbate, or they could have sex lying side by side moving at each other's pace, or they could perform 69 side by side. There does not have to be an element of dominance.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:32 PM
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Here's the thing: as men, we think we prefer a natural look but in practice we go for women with make-up (because it improves the look of skin - e.g. if you've got acne - and the facial contours) and high heels (because it makes the woman look slightly taller and improves the calve tone). When we say women don't need make-up and high heels, it's normally aimed at women who still look good without all of that stuff because we know it's not good for them (high heels cause injury, are uncomfortable…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:21 PM
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Why does one partner have to be dominant over the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:09 PM
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Not all of them shared that sentiment. I covered this in the quotations above. There were plenty of women open to casual sex just not with virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:08 PM
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Maybe for my first time I just want to have an ordinary, reciprocal and sensitive experience. What's it to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 01:56 PM
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No they didn't say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 01:54 PM
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With a sensitive / reciprocal lover I am sure it is a pleasurable experience. The problem is that I have already been emasculated from being a late in life virgin and would preferably be looking for a way to redeem the lost masculinity, rather than contribute further to the emasculation process at this stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 01:20 PM
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So show me the responses Pretty much most of the women under the category of "women that were willing to date a virgin expected him to commit or else the virgin ended up either not telling them or committing anyway." ​ I have had casual sex most of my dating life What I said was that most of their dating life has been without commitment, as in they haven't stuck with a person they met all their life. But now all of a sudden they are about commitment and a virgin who wants to find non-commital se…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 01:18 PM
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I'm saying that sex should be a mutually beneficial arrangement - a reciprocal experience and that some times this means one party does not feel like being "dominated" just because they are a virgin or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 12:27 PM
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Tl;Dr, if you're a male virgin over 20, you're probably not ever going to have a normal sex experience (where "normal" does not include an exchange of financial resources for sex, e.g. with a hooker).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 12:25 PM
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No, I read through the thread correctly. The women that wanted casual sex either did not want to fuck a virgin whatsoever or they did not want the virgin to be honest about his sexual history, even if it's just for a confident and emotionally vulnerable conversation. This actually happened to me lol. Right as we were getting undressed this guy told me "by the way, this is my first time". We were both about 22 I guess. It was a total turn off and things stopped right there. Why on Earth would i h…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 07:38 AM
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I think my interpretation of "honesty" was honest because in a frank and open conversation, there's topics that guys may well want to cover to show some emotional vulnerability. And one of those things is sexual history and reasons for still being a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 06:59 AM
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I think the analogy would be too abstract for them in the first place because of the different contexts "attraction" can apply to (magnets, romance, friendships, art lovers, etc.) and while the definition is technically correct, it is totally disconnected from any of the applications where it is relevant. If it was a six year old, you'd be better off giving specific examples like, "well you really love chocolate, right? You're attracted to chocolate!" That way, what they understand is the experi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 02:16 AM
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The OP was about the following topic: Scaring men or women away with honesty It did not say whether this had to be about long-term relationships or casual dating. If it had to be about long-term relationships specifically, then it was poorly expounded. Since I do not want to commit to a woman who is my first but I am not hers, it's obvious that this isn't my preference. Instead my preference is for casual dating and in the context of OP, I was correct: being honest about my situation is not usef…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 02:07 AM
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"pulls together" Yes but while those are simpler words and also the same syllables (spoken wise) they include more writing (10 characters versus 14, including the space). And to make sense grammatically, it actually has to be "pulls an object towards it" - so even longer, in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 01:41 AM
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You should re-read my comment because I specifically addressed this: The few women who said they would consider a virgin man that was honest about his sexual experience would only consider him for a relationship anyway (so barring the inexperienced women, this means that they would mostly have expected commitment from a virgin man, even though most of their dating life has been without commitment themselves).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 01:35 AM
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keep looking and go out and meet people where ever you find them I just want to point something out here and that's that it's a myth that this is a "safe" or "effective" way of meeting women. Socially, it can be much riskier than cold approach since it means you have to approach women while you are surrounded by people you are trying to network with and branch out on a regular basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 01:33 AM
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Move on Move on to who though? Emotional vulnerable women like the ones Mark Manson talks about in his book are about as rare as four leaf clovers. That in itself is a powerful enough argument against Manson's strategy and in favour of PUA instead because authentic game like Manson recommends doesn't seem to work on the vast majority of women. Only a very small percentage of men (or women) are confident and emotionally vulnerable enough for that to work. And the men who are like that suffer deep…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 01:18 AM
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Well, I read Mark Manson's book Models a few years ago where he says that honesty is a polarising, confident, emotionally vulnerable and therefore attractive trait. However, I've been reading all these comments on PPD lately, for example where the women are either saying that they would not ever sleep with a virgin man or that they would not want to know beforehand if he was a virgin and it makes me think, maybe the whole "direct game" thing is bullshit. The few women who said they would conside…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 01:10 AM
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I think most words have been misapplied at some point. But there is being an exception to the rule and then there is a whole culture around the "misuse" of that word, which in fact defines a change in direction of that words meaning, because what is language if not a social construct to begin with? And with NAWALT, it doesn't surprise me that the change in direction of that term has everything to do with it's evolutionary roots since a lot of the negative traits in women guys in and outside of t…
/r/MGTOW213/10/18 01:05 AM
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if she had said "magnetises" in place of "attracts" her definition would have been fine, essentially.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 12:26 AM
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If you have two magnets - a positive and a negative one, the force that pulls them together is "attraction". If you put an object between them, the effect of attraction is nullified. If you force two negative ends or two positive ends together, the effect of repulsion is nullified. This means that "attraction" is like a connection that wants to happens naturally as opposed to something that happens to forcefully obstruct or create that connection. In a social context, we can have two humans that…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 12:24 AM
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AWALT is about innate female instincts like hypergamy and seeking security. It is very rare to find a woman who doesn't want to look up to a man, or find a man who makes her feel safe. Maybe originally but since the term's conception it's usage has been bastardised and applied to a wide array of contexts that have nothing if very little to do with the terms original meaning. This is all for reasons mentioned in the OP.
/r/MGTOW213/10/18 12:02 AM
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Problem is, Sammy the Simp's response tends to be "sure, there are women like that out there but Cupcake is different!" My response is that the women I meet at 30 might not be like that (the ones rejecting me in my 20s) but I am too cynical and jaded to give women the benefit of the doubt. I had a decade of being treated like I was invisible so now moving into my thirties, I just want to fuck hookers and go MG/STOW. https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW2/comments/9kienm/an_argument_for_mgstow/ Maybe no…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/10/18 10:25 PM
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They accept terrible treatment from these women. They put up with all manner of deprivation, humiliation, and misandry. They accept shitty sex, starfish sex, or no sex. And they return again and again to it. They work their asses off trying to appease her and please her. They do it to get a dollop of approval, a "that's a good boy" and then maybe a reward of some sex every couple of months or so. The average woman has higher SMV than the average man because so many horny fuckers willing to fuck …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/10/18 10:21 PM
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Thank you for the information. ​ Some take 3-6 months after transmission before the test can catch them. So what do you think is the safest method? Wait 6 months before getting tested before we have sex and not see people outside the relationship? If I wait that long, isn't it likely it will turn into an LTR rather than STR? Also, apart from waiting 6 months, or "marry a virgin", in general, what do you think is the safest method? ​ Doctors only recently discovered pussy-eating can give men thro…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 09:38 PM
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Pros: you stop overthinking things Cons: you can get overaggressive
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 09:10 PM
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As a virgin also, I don't have any sex tips for you but you seem to take a lot of negativity off this woman. Like, for example: You said she keeps ghosting you and the way you bolded that text suggests you were put off by it. She said you were bad at kissing rather than offering helpful advice: I had bad make out experiences also and 90% of the time, it was the girl to blame because she was usually just being frigid and blocking her mouth off to me being too "aggressive" or whatever. That said, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 09:07 PM
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You can still get an STI. I'm pretty sure the doctor will check for the main possible STI you could get from unprotected sex and oral like HIV, HPV, Herpes, Chlamydia, etc. and some extra less than likely ones. ​ They're not a green light you're 100% disease-free. Put it this way: you get tested and you're in a relationship and you use contraception and you trust your partner, that's about as safe as you can get. If after all there are still STIs you could possibly get, it's worth the (calculate…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 08:01 PM
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I didn't mean lying. You can read the test results and still get an STI from her. The clean test somewhat reduces but does not eliminate your chance. The condom helps too, but oral leaves you exposed. Assuming she is not a skank and sleeps outside of the relationship after you get the test done. If you got tested for all the relevant STIs the docs recommend getting tested for, I don't see how you could contract them from oral sex. "Let's both get tested for peace of mind." Yeah but how / when wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 06:58 PM
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"Have you been tested lately? I was last month and here are my results." That doesn't happen for casual ONS. If you want testing and patience with your virginity, you need at least STR. I meant if we wanted to go get tested together and I meant over the course of an STR / some kind of commitment like that. ​ Pro-tip: You can still get STIs. I'm assuming that with STRS, you can build up some trust. If you used a condom as well, I don't think an STI would be very likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 06:44 PM
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Do you socialize much on campus? How do you know what others are doing? How could you distinguish between knowing it doesn't happen and failing to notice things that happen often? In my first year as a postgrad I tried to do fresher's week and did not notice many postgrads doing this, also had a hard time relating to the postgrad. Also when I am in uni at the cafe, I do not notice many postgrads in the undergrad social circles or vice versa. Postgrads are the most likely to eat their lunch or dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 06:26 PM
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If you thought things were going too slow (e.g. after the third date) how would you bring that up? If you wanted to get tested so you could do oral and stuff like that without worrying about STIs, how would you bring that up, also?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 06:19 PM
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Point is undergrads commonly socialize with older students. Well, on my course, I have not noticed it happening very often at all. ​ What does "not likely" mean to you? Needle in a haystack? According to the CDC about 12% of undergrad women are still virgins. At elite schools like MIT, the rate's even higher. They're less common and less easy to find than the promiscuous women, but not THAT rare. I do not know which student women are still virgins and more importantly, I do not know which studen…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 06:12 PM
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There might be religious people willing to marry non-religious guys (or sometimes even attempt to convert them). There might be non-religious people who still came from a conservative background where promiscuity was deeply considered shameful. Is this PatheticLifeform's new account? ​ You're overrating the risk of leading someone on and underrating the chance that she'll do things like avoid putting out in the first month or say "let's take this slow" or bug you "where is this going?" if she's …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 05:53 PM
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In grad school I fucked so many undergrads Well you also probably had that baseline experience. Without that baseline experience, it's 100 times harder to date. ​ It will be. But if she's much more likely to meet your needs (patient with your virginity, go slow, no sexual inadequacy) then taking the time to find one beats striking out with 200 promiscuous girls. You're not really hearing me. If I'm not likely to find a woman that's like that I'm not likely to have that experience in the first pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 05:44 PM
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I was talking in general terms, trying to simplify things. The thing is you're assuming it's only socially awkward people who might interpret stuff. For example, a religious person who values ethical monogamy might naively assume relationship = long-term commitment because they just don't come from a universe where people fuck after a couple of dates and then laugh and move on. So with your advice, I could convince myself I'm being honest just to end up leading someone on who naively but non-aut…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 05:22 PM
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No there are many girls like her. You're too black and white about "traditional". Let's call her category Semi-Traditional: conservative about dating/sex, but goes to college, has career plans, and doesn't require a provider. Lots of girls like that. I didn't mean she was the outlier but that his ability to get a girl like that was under rare circumstances (not just the fact he was a late in life virgin but the fact he was able to get her at all). I am not a Christian and I am not a "pure" virgi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 05:17 PM
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So, "I'm looking for a relationship" ----> looking for an STR "I'm looking for commitment" ----> looking for an LTR ​ An engagement ring Usually "an engagement ring" happens after they've known each other for a while at least and typically, after they've banged at least once.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 05:09 PM
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Dating traditional girls like your friend's girlfriend long-term typically means you end up being a provider. He didn't have money at the time. Now they both work. If she's in college and pursuing a career, she's still going to work. Key word: typically. Your friend's experience is very likely to be outlier. ​ That's when the age gap is bigger (e.g. she's 20 and he's 30-45). 22 with 25 is not sugar daddy. There's an acceptable range where it's just normal dating. 20 with 26 is near the limit but…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 04:36 PM
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If "I'm looking for a relationship" means "I will bang you but only on the third date and I'm 95% certain this "relationship" will not run the full mile", how does one honestly communicate "I'm looking for a relationship that will last"?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 04:29 PM
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You're young enough that you could do what my friend did: get into relationships with inexperienced girls aged 19-20. Level playing field. No sexual inadequacy settling with former sluts. These are the girls you should go for. Younger girls don't date older men unless they're sugar daddies (financial providers) and even then, only a small minority are sugar babies Dating traditional girls like your friend's girlfriend long-term typically means you end up being a provider. Most girls at 19-20 are…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 11:04 AM
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You both say "I'm looking for a relationship" honestly Lol, that isn't "honest" then.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 10:47 AM
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Even if I were to see a therapist, I would still want to be the one to approach and date double dutch.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 09:13 PM
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Ok, I can see your point on all of that but there's a 95% chance things will end ​ I don't think this is implied in the subtext of I'm looking for a relationship ​
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 09:12 PM
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I'm just saying, I have been emasculated in various ways (e.g. being a late in life virgin). I don't want to be emasculated in others (being the passive recipient of an approach, having to exchange financial resources for my companionship, physical and emotional intimacy to be valued, etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 09:07 PM
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Yeah but I'm just talking about in a social / dating context where men are always expected to buy everything for women 95% of the time. That's what gets to me. Not because I don't like to do something nice for the women. I just like to think what nice things I can do that don't have a price tag. And that I can do nice things for a woman without feeling like she only values my time and company because of the exchange of resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 08:53 PM
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If your plan is a short-term relationship that ends, that is being honest. Yeah but she's not likely to be impressed if I say that I only want a short-term relationship. ​ If you get attached, then you're the one who wants to be with her, so why is that a bad thing? If it's the feeling of sexual inadequacy, she may just dump you and then it's easy. I meant if I was conflicted between feelings of wanting to stay with her on one hand but also the possible feeling of sexual inadequacy if I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 08:42 PM
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I'm not saying that I won't buy my own condoms, I'm just saying, the longer we're dating the more likely it is for her to exert traditionalist pressures on me for paying for shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 08:40 PM
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If I'm dating the woman for a long time, there is going to be more expectation on me to provide something of monetary value - e.g. pay for a date, drinks, a few gifts, condoms, that kind of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 08:18 PM
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Yeah but if my plan is not really to stay committed, that is hardly being honest: "oh yeah ... uh .... things just weren't really working out" when really my plan had always been for things not to work out. Also, I might be the one to get attached. That is possible also. Then I would have to deal with attachment versus sexual inadequacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 08:16 PM
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I would want to talk things through sure. Part of that is to know her preferences also and so that she understands we can start slow and get faster later. I thought that this is what most women like anyway: to start slow and then get faster. In fact this would probably be for her anyway since the main thing for me is that I stay hard. If she was tested and hygienic or whatever I could go down on her and this way work on staying hard. Or if there was no opportunity to get tested, do the same thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 08:09 PM
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No this is just an assumption you have about virgin men - that we could not be reciprocal and sensitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 08:03 PM
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I'm just saying, it is emotional baggage that a plain, frank and sincere one night stand would not be.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 07:58 PM
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Are you handcuffed to the bed? No? Then walk out. Grow a spine and leave. Guilt trips and namecalling shouldn't change your decision. No one should ever stay in a relationship out of guilt. Yeah but if I somehow gave her the impression that I wanted to commit when I just wanted to sleep with her that's something she could use to make me feel guilty if I got attached and stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 07:56 PM
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Yeah but she might get attached or something and then I would feel bad about leaving her and the break-up itself might be awkward rather than "amicable". ​ Sure but I haven’t had sex with them, that’s a huge leap. I meet nice strangers every day. My point is, a beautiful experience can be something that is short lived and appreciated for what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 07:54 PM
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I’m completely floored that you’re not open to losing your virginity to a girlfriend. You’re worrying ten steps ahead and shooting yourself in the foot before taking step one. You are not risking lifelong commitment by dating and having sex with a girl. You’re allowed to break up with people. You wouldn’t be forced to never leave her. She’d probably be more worried you’d be the clingy one, it’s not uncommon with virgins. Yeah but if I somehow gave her the illusion of commitment before sleeping w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 07:32 PM
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My point is that a guy could potentially risk lifelong commitment, e.g. if he falls in love, gets married, is guilt-tripped into staying with someone (instead of being a "fuckboy") or if he is contractually bound (gets married and has kids).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 07:23 PM
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I wrote: I don't want to [insinuate] all women [are] the same. many women ... Like I said, it is not all women but it is enough women to have a considerable impact on the awful dating experience many guys like myself are having. etc. ​ You wrote: You don’t think women are logical No, I think there is a large enough to be significant demograph of women who don't respond to logic with sexual attraction, there is a difference. ​ under what circumstances they’d sleep with a virgin, which half of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 07:22 PM
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which you conviently continue to ignore or play dumb about. No, that's not true. ​ You don't seem to want to laugh at the world around you; you continue to wish it was different and write giant manifestos about how bad it is. I have written shorter, as well as more light-hearted posts too: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9mfi5w/why_cant_ppd_users_see_what_a_nice_guy_i_am/ ​ You clearly take it very seriously. Also you're uptight. You can't let anything "go" and always raise co…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 07:02 PM
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UK.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 06:56 PM
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Lol you think women bring up their N count when they're being seduced for casual sex, throwing their emotional vulnerabilities on the table and complaining about how hard they have it? Not. At. All. What happens instead is they keep their baggage to themselves. If they did not, the guy would RUN away lest not to "stick his dick in crazy". Socially competent women know that. Well put it this way, if a virgin man said his n-count and his potential promiscuous partner felt comfortable with that and…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 06:55 PM
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People make it sound like these happy hour type events are anywhere and everywhere. Realistically people don't just offer stuff for, well free. And networking is difficult for obvious reasons also.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 06:49 PM
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You don't get to say "that's not a fair assumption" because that's what you are CURRENTLY DOING Well, it's not a fair assumption: where have I even done that? ​ I'm obviously unsure if you behave that way IRL but just based on my current observations, you are so self unaware that it isn't surprising at all if you are that way IRL too No, I am just a cool, laid back, fun guy that likes to laugh at the world around him. If I have any flaws none of them are so big they would warrant my sexual / rom…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 06:20 PM
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There's no reason to reveal it if you don't have to. Typically not, no. It just sucks that you cannot very easily have an emotionally vulnerable conversation about this sort of thing without being judged. I mean, women are complaining all the time that they are judged for being promiscuous but then they shit all over male virgins? Also, even if you don't talk about it, women will sense that you are less experienced, less charismatic, less smooth, etc. There is little fucking to be done, if any, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 06:15 PM
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Well, the truth is that I don't want to insult all women and say they are all the same. However many women are rude and insulting when they reject guys. In their early twenties, they expect men to do all the legwork, approaching them and paying for the date, this is in spite of the way they treat the same guys when they are not interested because xyz reason. And then when guys are complaining saying "oh media says to be a nice guy, I am a nice guy but that's enough", feminists are calling them m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 05:59 PM
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If things had been different and I got laid earlier I would be different. But the experience of being a late in life male virgin was emasculating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 05:50 PM
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Also yeah I've slept with virgins before no issue just a man who says "oh by the way I'm a virgin" is a total turn off So then the only way you could know beforehand if he was a virgin (him telling the truth) is a turn-off. Therefore he must lie or conceal information. ​ Because it says something about you if you feel the need to "warn" someone about your N count before sleeping with them. Or maybe you just feel like showing emotional vulnerability and being desired for who you are, not the imag…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 05:45 PM
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You display zero awareness of how you poorly misinterpreted what other people say and misconstrue what they say. It's like you don't listen to people and interjecting your own feelings and interpretion on to everything. No, I don't think that's a fair assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 05:42 PM
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Because I don't want to pay for dates and that kind of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 05:41 PM
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I already told you, if I am still a virgin by 30-35 it's hookers ---> MG/STOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 05:40 PM
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Exactly, none of your friends, the women here or presumably yourself would want to sleep with a virgin casually: he has to lie about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 05:24 PM
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I told you, it's about me. I feel emasculated and disillusioned by being a late in life male virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 05:22 PM
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your big headedness Not really. ​ if you treat people IRL the way you treat people here You shouldn't make assumptions about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 05:21 PM
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No, outsiders are the ones who get isolated the most: disillusioned about certain tenets of society and dating. We might see the requirement for men to pay for dates as sexist and something to avoid. We're sometimes referred to as "omega" but this could sound misleading as if we have no positive traits (like being in shape physically, being career oriented, engaging in self-improvement, etc.). We can feel isolated by society and experience apathy. Some might say we over-analyse things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 05:16 PM
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I'm just saying, social pressure for men to "settle down" has become a big thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 05:15 PM
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I said it was about me, I didn't say it was about others. If it was about others, I'd just do what mainstream society tells me to do which is either to get a hooker or betabuxx and be the financial provider for a below average woman in order to get married and have lame emasculated children.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:59 PM
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Being a late in life male virgin is socially (society stigmatises against it) and biologically (evolutionarily speaking it is counter-productive) emasculating. My feelings just represent my anatomy and social instinct. So if I want to redeem the masculinity from that, there is no therapy or friendly chat on Reddit that could change my mind on that because it's just in my nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:50 PM
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I mean I was glad for the virgin dude you talked about who got in a relationship and didn't mind the fact she was his first but he wasn't first, because he was happy to commit to her anyway so good for him. It's just not my preference, hence what seemed like pessimism to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:48 PM
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No wonder you're still a virgin at 26/27 whatever you are You just don't want to accept that dating is an uphill struggle for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:44 PM
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Because the social contexts shame, ostracise and create risky situations for men who try to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:41 PM
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it would just be in your best interest to get the virginity thing over with and not make it a big deal. You say this because you don't understand how emasculating or degrading it is to be a late in life male virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:34 PM
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What is "plainly right" exactly? That women who have NSA sex are engaging in promiscuous behaviour. ​ You haven't agreed or been receptive to anything I said. Say something that I agree with and I will agree with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:27 PM
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what's stopping YOU specifically right now. The social culture, which is represented in the Tl;Drs you skimmed through: The fact that we live in a culture where people are increasingly isolated by technology, social media and online dating rather than authentic human interaction; night club culture, competitive individualism and clique mentality ostracises "outsiders" (not just omegas"; and for men in particular we have to deal with a culture of body and sex positivity that is oriented towards f…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:24 PM
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I'm talking about how you disagree or reject anything anyone ever says to you Well what I said was just plainly right. So of course I am not budging on that statement. ​ For your own benefit a constructive discussion has to include *agreement"*as well I will agree with things I agree with and disagree with the things I don't. I can't see the controversy there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 01:46 PM
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Social barriers in dating: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9f1psx/social_context_can_affect_men_in_dating_not_just/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9luujm/social_barriers_in_dating_omegas_outsiders_alphas/
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 01:43 PM
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Yes I want to get laid without having to commit or exchange financial resources for it, or anything else that might hurt my masculinity, like being the one that gets approached or having to use online dating. Because I am a late in life virgin my experiences have emasculated me. If women had wanted to sleep with me when I was younger, things might have been different but they didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 12:10 PM
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Why? I'm not even being mean about it: if you sleep with people outside of a relationship, you're being promiscuous. I didn't say there was anything wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 12:07 PM
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I'm not interested how they psychologically rationalise it, if they are having NSA sex that might not lead to commitment they are still behaving in a way that is promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 11:16 AM
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r/askmen are not going to say anything differently. I distinguish myself from incels for very good reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 11:12 AM
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There used to be r/exincel but it has since been banned, I don't know why because nobody posted there anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:58 AM
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Formerly promiscious women dont go looking for NSA sex specifically but will have NSA sex in the early stages of the dating phase Then they are still promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:56 AM
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Then you could say something like, "are you?" And see how she squirms around with her disrespectful and Weird questions. Since she started by talking about her own relationship experiences that was not a rebuttal I had at my disposal. ​ They're out there, but more frequently than not I bet virgin men lose their virginity under the guise of not doing so 😉 Look, in my experience it just doesn't work, ok? Whatever way of framing things you have the reason you don't understand this is because you do…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:44 AM
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I didn't use to be like it: I was emasculated by my experience of being a male virgin late in life. If women hadn't rejected me for so long (sometimes unnecessarily harshly) then I wouldn't feel the need to redeem my masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:41 AM
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he OUTLIER case of a formerly promiscious women who demands commitment prior to fucking you If she is formerly promiscuous then she is not in fact an outlier but a general rule because by definition she is formerly promiscuous and therefore no longer looking for hookups. you're not attracting the women who would want to bang you. Yes, I am psychic and can see what kind of women I would be compatible with without even getting to know them first. It's all about my vibe, maaan. plausable deniabilit…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:39 AM
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With what you're saying, late in life male virgins might as well stay fuckless or else betabux or get a hooker or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:35 AM
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Just forget about her. You need to understand something: the unicorn women who will fuck a virgin guy noncommittally are so freakishly rare they are practically non-existent. ​ not broadcast the fact you are a virgin I don't. However if it would be nice if I knew that I would still be desired after being honest. Also: ​ Women aren't gonna be like "so are you a virgin?" Actually, I have had a date ask me about my relationship experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:33 AM
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Newsflash, typically women who are promiscious don't require commitment to fuck. Isn't that crazy? I told you: the ones who are promiscuous now will not typically fuck virgins. The ones who were promiscuous but "just not like that anymore" will typically expect commitment from virgins first. ​ You're welcome to BANG those women and not commit to them. If I was, I would have got BANGED already. ​ Wrong. If he hadn't told me that would be his plan and played it innocent like (I just want a girlfri…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:27 AM
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Yes you're right, there is something flawed with male virgins: they deserve to stay fuckless.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:20 AM
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Because I have to give her what she wants (commitment) to get what I want (sex). You should be hyperfocusing on the women who you want to attract for what specifically (ONS, FWB, STR, LTR) The ones that are cool with fucking virgins are practically non-existent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:19 AM
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Ok you could just break it off before you fall in love if it bothers you so much. Not if she is like the women in this thread who expect commitment first you can't. ​ you're welcome to not select those women for LTR. "you're welcome to stay a virgin" ​ Then again I wouldn't have hooked them up if I knew he'd dump her ass after using her. Exactly: late in life virgin men don't get non-committal sex, only experienced men and younger players do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:16 AM
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There are past sluts who "just aren't like that anymore" and present sluts who only fuck experienced guys. ​ You said "slutty women should seek commitment from slutty men". Yes because virgin men might have to deal with sexual inadequacy if there in a lifelong relationship where she is his first but he is not hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:12 AM
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"falling in love" So the danger is either I fall in love or the woman pressures me into commitment first, in which case I am guilt-tripped into staying with her after we have had sex. This is why a one night stand is a much simpler affair.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:08 AM
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Because if I don't commit, I'm not getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:06 AM
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This is exactly what I'm trying to avoid because I don't want life time commitment to someone who is my first but I am not hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:03 AM
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Um ... maybe it's because if you don't meet a woman's expectations, you're not getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:00 AM
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The only ones who said they'd do it mainly said so only within the confines of a relationship (which means he would just have to deal with long-term sexual inadequacy) or if he employed "don't ask don't tell" (which means that they don't really want to sleep with a virgin if they know he is one and probably would give him a horrible, awkward time if he wanted to slow things down a bit for her pleasure as well as his).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 03:59 AM
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No, they just don't want to fuck them. Same outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 03:41 AM
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Clearly, you haven't discussed with actual incels much or seen how they behave. And no, I'm not talking about the Purge Week ones. The actual incels are significantly worse than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 03:40 AM
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I don't judge promiscuous women. Just don't expect virgin men to commit. If you want commitment, look to a partner with sexual history. Literally, that's all I care about. Let virgin men fuck promiscuous women who do want casual sex with them or else commit to virgin women. Just don't put all of this pressure and stigma on them as a society that it is bad for them to look for no-strings sex because of their inexperience and that they must be willing to commit to sexually experienced women otherw…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 03:38 AM
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You're just not reading between the lines here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 03:29 AM
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My ex was a virgin. We dated for 6 months before we fucked. I was a "recovering slut" This just tells me that virgin men have to court women for extended periods of time and commit to long term relationships where they do not even have the same level of baseline sexual experience and deal with all the inadequacy that comes with that. Your story is proof that late in life virgin men get a raw deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 03:27 AM
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The difference is all of society talks about slut-shaming and sex positivity and all the rest of it. Hardly anyone recognises there is a social stigma as far as virgin men are concerned. And oh, ok. It's ok to be a virgin man, I just have to make sure I "don't ask, don't tell" if I ever want to get laid. Also, this thread is proof that I get stick for writing manifestos or not. In fact, when I am not even writing threads myself I will receive stick indirectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 03:22 AM
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Yes ok, late in life male virgins are bad people and deserve to stay fuckless, you win.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 03:13 AM
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The inexperienced girl was also repulsed about casual sex but she had had a partner before. So basically she would expect the virgin to commit to a relationship in spite of the obvious issues he might have with sexual inadequacy (her being his first but him not being hers). The rest of it is undoubtedly about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 03:02 AM
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No, there's a lot of comment threads where I discussed open mindedly with open minded posters, like DelicateDevelopment for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 03:00 AM
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They are saying that the idea revolts them because, stigma: the feedback is clear. And no, other people saw the thread and immediately drew the connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 02:59 AM
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It's not constructive criticism, just vitriol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 02:55 AM
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It wasn't asking permission so much. You could have just said "here is the discussion I was having", like how SpaceWhiskey did: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9mp0hq/the_social_etiquette_of_paying_for_dates/ ​ It would have been less weird. Also, *Good Men, not incels. Yes this conversation was about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 02:52 AM
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In terms of discussion productivity, I see a comment thread berating me for being a virgin about as equally unproductive as a thread berating me for presentation rather than focusing on content. Both of those things are shitty kinds of discussion as far as I'm concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 02:49 AM
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The way the comments in this thread it is indirectly berating me anyway: i cant see how a man id find fuckable stayed a virgin that long ​ Women want a man who knows what he is doing ​ If I knew then I’d be reluctant because it’d be too much pressure. ​ No dear God no. You never know who the pussy is too powerful for and then you're left with anything from a pathetic puppy begging for more sex to a nutty stalker. I'm guessing it's too powerful for a 23yr old virgin, hard pass. ​ He expects a str…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 02:39 AM
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He's not me. He posted on my behalf without telling me or linking to the debate we were having. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9l9g8t/an_argument_for_mgstow_for_outsiders_and_sexually/e7jf10n/
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 02:28 AM
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You can have children in a 1-year marriage LOL. Sexually successful but not romantically successful, unless you have a warped view of romantic success. But it this way: an abusive husband who has children in a 1 year marriage is more sexually and romantically successful than me and a whole heap of other outsiders. ​ Social traits also lead to success. A lot of the time being "social", "communicative", "empathetic", "respectful of boundaries" and the other stuff we're talking about in the other c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 09:54 PM
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And when you get excited, are you slowing down too? Are you listening too? Men are expected to go slowly even when excited unless she is as well. Otherwise they are being too eager, or aggressive or whatever. Anyway, this conversation is just "meh". Everyone had to start from a position of inexperience: the whole subject is just a rationalisation of the fact women don't want to fuck virgin men. I mean, you don't need to rationalise the fact women don't want to fuck virgin men, they're entitled t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 09:49 PM
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Get into but cannot sustain. Like that "Henry" guy from the blog, 5 ex-wives. They leave a wake of destruction. Those aren't successful romances. Those are insecure women getting battered and bruised in terrible short-lasting marriages. Successful enough to have children in some cases, though. ​ I said "normies", i.e. most normal men without Dark Triad traits. Yes but this conversation was not about them which is why I ignored your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 09:43 PM
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be unable to get her wet or find her clit or know what to do with it. That's a question of expertise, not reciprocality or sensitivity. The intent is still reciprocative/sensitive. Arguably expertise comes with experience but some men can be naturally good at sex while other men can be useless in bed, even after multiple experiences. Inb4: "but how would you know, you're just a virgin!" ​ Yeah so she's giving you what you want to help you have a good first time She's slowing down and listening/t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 09:18 PM
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My points is that even if these things happen on a small level they are still significant. Unless you have some resources to back up your argument, I don't think either of us are in a position to state in what size demographs these things are happening (outsiders being sexually / romantically successful versus dark triad men being those things). ​ These men have high N because they struggle to maintain a single genuine romance. Or they are just interested in hooking up. There's quite a few abusi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 09:14 PM
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Make out singular? One bad experience? Or how many? A few times. Not that the guys don't give at all, and not that she only ever goes home with guys who don't satisfy her too. Well, I have heard women complain about this sort of thing very often and it makes me laugh because guys that are reciprocal and sensitive are tossed to the wolves. Slow down and hear your needs, no problem. Which is what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 09:01 PM
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If you misspoke and got the two mixed up, don't be so preachy about the definition. See my comment edit: I hadn't realised I had originally misspoke. ​ They are often anti-social and not asocial. See the reasons I gave. "Outsiders" often end up socially-isolated because their mannerisms are socially-maladapted or off-putting, driving others away even when they want to make friends (e.g. mental illness, ADHD, lacking empathy, quickly losing temper and burning bridges, lacking social graces). Tbh,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 08:46 PM
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your idea of this non-reciprocal shit is delusion based on lack of experience. Actually, it's based on negative make out experience I have had. It's not too much of a stretch to imagine that if women act like this when they're making out, they're probably worse in bed. Also, if the ones that aren't like that only ever go home with non-reciprocal non-sensitive lovers, what can they expect, really? ​ That's not non-reciprocal because you're not being patient with her emotional needs or inexperienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 08:36 PM
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edit: earlier in the conversation, I had meant to say *anti**-social, not* *a**social, in the context that you are thinking about.* ​ said yourself that asocial people should be stopped from procreating to prevent social decline, I said that anti-social people should be. Asocial is nowhere near as negative a trait as anti-social behaviour. ​ Isolated outsiders with no friends are often anti-social, not asocial. No, they are asocial. Anti-social behaviour would be crime, violence, sexual assault,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 08:24 PM
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So then biological clock is bullshit for both men and women because women are still attractive into their 30s and maybe even early 40s for some of them. Roughly the same for men. None of that is relevant to me because I'm getting an escort by 35 tops.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 12:03 PM
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You're assuming I do it out of nervousness. Typically, I have just never felt the need to explain why I don't pay for a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 01:39 AM
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LAST YEAR WASN'T THE FIRST PURGE, YA NOOB. ​
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 01:15 AM
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expend more energy building a support network of friends for now I have tried many times before it just doesn't work for me. ​ for you you don't have a biological clock so it's not a hard time limit or pressure to find a mate tomorrow. My biological clock is that fertile women won't find me attractive after a certain age.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 11:39 PM
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What about if you prefer to date IRL rather than online?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 11:33 PM
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Here? I joined clubs and stuff most of last year and throughout my undergrad. Was not sufficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 11:30 PM
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I'm not from London, it is much more expensive than the rest of UK. Also, acquiring friends and all the rest of it is easier said than done.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 11:20 PM
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Philly had "free jam sessions at the Kimmel Center" every 3rd Wednesday or something. I'm not from Philadelphia, I'm from UK. ​ Aren't you in a Masters program? When I was in school there was always some bullshit "reception" or Happy Hour we could attend or crash? No freebies like that. ​ Are you part of any organizations, non profit or otherwise -- they're always hosting a Happy Hour with free "wine and beer" and "hor d'oeuvres." Can't think of any that do that. If you have any suggestions, I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 11:12 PM
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I can’t give you a script to follow So what do you do if verbal improvisation is not really your thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 11:05 PM
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Ok then so if I want to know that a girl has a good time around me without me having to pay for anything what should I do?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 10:56 PM
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My value is that I like to know my time, effort and company is appreciated and that what is not being valued here is my capacity to provide a free meal. ​ You have this entire fucking philosophy about how "good men" like you are overlooked, and you're a miserly cheapskate who's using his dates as an opportunity to try to buck social norms and fight for men's rights to spend less money on women, right there in front of your date, at her expense. Sure, I'm self-respecting enough to want to know th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 10:53 PM
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Saying "enjoy "should" life" is making fun of the fact I'm having a hard time. The fact I am having a hard time because of my personal values is inconsequential. And anyway, what's it to you if I have values or I want to know that a woman values my company without me having to pay for it? If that's what I want out of dating that's what I want. It's nothing to do with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 10:49 PM
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I am poking fun at the fact that you think “should” is how life works. you FTFY.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 10:46 PM
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Maybe I'm not willing to sacrifice my values to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 10:42 PM
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You're sarcastically telling me to enjoy life. You're getting off on the fact I have a hard time about being a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 10:41 PM
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If that’s a deal breaker for you isn’t it better to know ahead of time so you can call it off and not waste your time? So what would be a socially acceptable way of doing this by your reckoning? Me: "by the way wanna go for a coffee some time?" Her: "sure, why not?" Me: "by the way what do you think about double dutch?" Her: "why?" Me: "I just like independent women and was wondering how you felt about double dutch" ​ Or, Me: "what do you think about double dutch?" Her: "why do you want to know?…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 10:38 PM
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Enjoy putting down male virgins on the internet because it makes you feel big. You must have a great life too!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 10:06 PM
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idk go out and buy a bitch a drink. I shouldn't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 10:04 PM
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Well done you, have a cookie. You also don't have to deal with fear of male sexuality because you're a woman though. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 10:01 PM
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I said "if we're going by traditional arrangements". Egalitarian relationships are different but in those types of arrangements, it's pretty much 50/50. Probably more like 60/40 (man to woman) realistically though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 10:00 PM
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If we're going by traditional expectations, men are the breadwinners and expected to expend an awful low more through working 9-5s and being the financial provider of the household.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 09:56 PM
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You're a woman dating women: of course you're going to encounter some difficulties that men face, like women not approaching, or women not paying for the date.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 09:54 PM
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Why would I? I'm straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 09:53 PM
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I date women. Emphasis.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 09:43 PM
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Women typically prepare more home-cooked meals for men than vice versa. Yeah but this is bullshit - that women go out with a guy twice and then make a meal for him. Also if he went on two dinner dates that he paid for her, he is not financially compensated. Maybe if it was just a coffee and a drink or something then ok, yeah. But to most women this is "cheap".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 09:39 PM
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And women approach men a whopping great 10% of the time. For guys in their own league, it's a whopping great 5%.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 09:30 PM
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I don't understand why changing your mind whimsically is such a valued trait. Only a few years ago I changed my mind pretty damn often and to be honest it wasn't a good thing but I will put it down to inexperience and not having developed my opinions enough to stand firm on something. I think it's good to be willing to change your mind if a solid truck of evidence comes your way. But just because you read an article or had an experience or something that contradicts your point of view doesn't me…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 09:29 PM
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It isn't logical for a man trying to endear a woman to expect her to pay. It is logical for a man to expect a woman to value his time, effort and companionship rather than treating him like a walking, talking free meal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 09:20 PM
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I’m absolutely assuming he’s auditioning me too, which is why after he presumably offers to pay the whole check, I will then do my part of the dance and say oh no, you don’t have to do that. And then depending on the vibe and how we’re feeling determines what happens next. Maybe he insists and I’m flattered and acquiesce. Maybe he insists but it’s way too pushy and it’s now weird. Maybe he shrugs charmingly and says he likes an independent woman and I happily pay my half. Maybe he says “good, I …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 09:16 PM
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you are aware there's subtext communicated to the girl when YOU insist she split the bill or if you don't buy her a drink, or at least offer to buy her a drink/coffee/etc, correct? I'm aware that some women have a stick up their ass, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 09:13 PM
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Then, when it comes time to pay the bill, he demonstrates a complete lack of understanding when it comes to basic social norms, gender roles, not to mention human courtesy Oh no, I'm perfectly well aware traditionalist douchebags expect the man to pay for everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 09:10 PM
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If logic was attractive, double dutch would be sexy. You don't like double dutch not because you're illogical but because you don't find it sexy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 08:57 PM
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They can certainly be logical but logic itself is not (typically) sexually attractive to them, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 08:46 PM
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See comments like this are why I don't understand why you keep giving me grief on all my posts: we're basically swinging for the same team here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 08:37 PM
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One thing they do not respond to is logic and negotiation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 08:29 PM
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Dating gurus HATE her: try this woman's ONE weird trick!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 08:22 PM
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It's logical. Logic is a big no-no as far as attraction is concerned. I didn't say I was smooth or whatever. If she picked up angry vibes of me it wasn't something I intended to communicate: my intention was just to be polite, make small talk and get social experience from the date regardless of how I felt about that isolated experience. No, the date did not end after that, in fact I took her to the park near my place.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 08:21 PM
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The macro-solution to isolation (which is sexual, romantic and social) is discussion, inclusive representation and authentic self-improvement guided by experienced, informed tutelage that is structured in a very specific way (all covered in the tri-fold solution). All of those things would help improve the likelihood of social interaction anyway. I think the difference with higher income circles is that the women want the ultimate blend of both alternate strategies: blue pill (communication, emp…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 08:14 PM
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It's a goofball strategy because it communicates social obliviousness to the woman. No I did not say sex was indisputably on the table, I just did not like her attitude during that moment I described.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 07:48 PM
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If you are acknowledging bringing this up before hand has the opportunity to lessen your chances of getting the date, No, I'm not acknowledging anything: I'm saying it's a goofball strategy. ​ I don’t think it’s the simple fact that you don’t pay for dates that’s holding you back, because as other men in this thread have said, they’ll not pay and still get laid. Good for them. ​ Why was she guiltily finding the money for you, did you tell her she had to or something? No, there was a moment where…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 07:32 PM
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Yes I know you're willing to pay for your dates if you approach him yourself or if the man goofballs and tries to explain how he's an egalitarian that prefers to go double dutch before the date. That's great but in practice it still means the man pays for the date 95% of the time or walks home empty handed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 07:07 PM
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Yes but does isolation lead indirectly to a loss in productivity and therefore constitute a social loss or lot. You can throw your let them eat cake let them figure out how to socialise quip at men falling behind in dating as you like. The point is, for some people either this advice is not being applied or it is not working, hence it could well be constituting a social loss if these indirect links apply. Advice like "well it's easier for you lot just to learn how to socialise than for society t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 07:05 PM
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I don't think there is anyone that is likely to change my mind on the subject any more than there is anyone that is likely to change your mind that men should be expected to abide by the traditionalist "etiquette" of paying for the date.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 06:30 PM
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Yes, did you not read the conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 03:17 PM
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This is wrong for multiple reasons. The point is isolation influences depression which in turn influences productivity, whether social skills or being in a relationship (I mean you're assuming some intelligent men with other positive traits might not struggle with that either) is irrelevant to the point: isolation --> depression --> decreased productivity. "Social skills" are not even particularly useful for getting laid. In fact men in intellectual academic disciplines with high emotional intel…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 03:17 PM
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You're a Good Dude, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 02:59 PM
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Yes, I will give it some thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 02:55 PM
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Ah thanks for the honourable mention, u/SpaceWhiskey.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 02:54 PM
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Psychology of Isolation Relevant time-stamps (for drawing a causal link between isolation and depression): 17m00s - 19m11s (esp. 18m10s onwards) Screenshot at 19m35s Also, see physical effects of isolation: 19m40s - 21m34s (cardiovascular emotional dampening @ 20m30s & 20m42s; sleep deprivation@ 21m08s) And plenty more stuff later on in the video, this is just a good place to start. ​ Work productivity loss from depression: evidence from an employer survey Relevant quotations (for drawing a caus…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 02:52 PM
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Yes it can be nice for the guy to insist on paying. But I also pointed out that it can be offputting if he insists on paying, depending on how he does it. Yes, that's why I said you want the guy to "insist" but to make it sexy. You find traditional dating and paternalistic more attractive than egalitarianism but only if it's done in a sexy way. And I don't care if that's your preference just don't judge me for preferring to do things the modern way, which is double dutch. I find women that are s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 02:25 PM
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Jesus christ, you asked me to back up my claims and so I did. When you use actual evidence it tends to be long and difficult to read: that's why I initially tried to keep it a short and casual conversation. She said in the very first couple of minutes that she does not endorse the actions of incel terrorists and said they were "reprehensible actions". She went on to point out the hypocrisy of how when an adherent of the Islamic faith commits a heinous action the left media are quick to point out…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 02:07 PM
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Neither does sexually and romantically unsuccessful and that is a 5 second elevator pitch anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 09:41 AM
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You’re just reading what you want to read, that’s absolutely not what I said. Oh let's be honest, the whole "oh no, no I don't want to pay for the date" thing if he offers to pay is just a charade. You want him to "insist", just not in a way that is too creepy or demanding. You want him to insist and make it sexy basically. ​ So what’s your solution? Do you play by the rules and date like a normal person or do you rebel for your cause and possibly end up perpetually single? I've already said on …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 09:40 AM
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Wow, you deliberately missed the core of my argument, misunderstood the whole point of the video I linked (with number two), and repeated arguments that you have stated earlier in this conversation which have been debunked numerous times. All because you couldn't actually address a single thing you wrote and no, this was not you "condensing the discussion". This was just pure willingness to derail an argument that was too difficult for you to address. I'm done with this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 09:33 AM
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an underlying implied premise that GoodMen™ deserve sex/love/relationships/marriage/happiness Again this is all projection. In fact it's precisely this topic which I covered with PennnyLame yesterday: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9m9ryl/wheres_the_best_place_to_hide_a_body/e7eptw3 In a nutshell, there is a vested social interest for Good Men to be successful in dating. ​ but then you go on to write 10,000 word essays that only make sense if that disclaimer is completely ign…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 09:30 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 09:18 AM
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I wouldn’t use the word “value”, that’s a little too strong for a stranger. Either you valued the opportunity enough to go on a date with him or you didn't. ​ And then depending on the vibe and how we’re feeling determines what happens next. Maybe he insists and I’m flattered and acquiesce. Maybe he insists but it’s way too pushy and it’s now weird. Maybe he shrugs charmingly and says he likes an independent woman and I happily pay my half. Maybe he says “good, I was hoping I wouldn’t have to pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 10:48 PM
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No we are not. By definition, if there is a man with positive genes and values to pass on to the next generation and he does not there is a loss. ​ Even if we were, wouldn’t it be more important that quality couples have more than 1 child? Both things are important. ​ No. We are not. Back up these claims with any data please. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoqOm_EVR_g https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4307989/ ​ ... you’re suggesting this is happening at a rate that is having any sor…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 10:42 PM
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Hmm, seems like points went flying over your head there somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 10:27 PM
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I don't think women give a shit about "hopeless romantics". That just means dry dick virgin loser to most of them anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 10:26 PM
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Society is missing out on men that can't pass on positive genes and values to the next generation. Women are missing out on men that would be potentially great partners. Society is suffering from a rise in depression and subsequent loss in productivity that could be linked to depression that could be linked to sexual and romantic isolation in otherwise intelligent, hardworking, creative and ambitious men. As for men that are unsuccessful and therefore unattractive, you're ignoring a variety of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 10:22 PM
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I’ve asked men on dates and paid. Maybe but you are not in the majority of women. ​ Why would I value your time and companionship if I don’t know you? You accepted a proposal to go on a date with a man to find out if you liked him. You valued the opportunity to do this and therefore spend time with him getting to know you. That man who asked you out did not know you either. He might have figured that he would get to know you and therefore like you. But he did not know. For all you know, he could…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 10:16 PM
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This is just close-mindedness on your part. You can't imagine anything being true about men who fall behind in dating that exists outside of the personal prejudices and stereotyped misconceptions you have about these men. This makes you uninteresting to talk to and I can't see a good faith discussion entailing such a narrow attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 10:09 PM
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I just think that this is something that's missing from both red and blue discourse regarding incels, at least up front. Everyone still kind of frames it as if there's a series of gates you have to pass to qualify. I think we should just be more explicit with men upfront with the idea that a man's position in the SMP is precarious, which is hard because most non-incels are never going to be in that headspace for any length of time. The thing is, even if Red & Blue pills were more honest all of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 10:07 PM
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The biggest problem here is that dude lacks social skills. You don't know me IRL. ​ Second-biggest problem is that he can't write for shit, though he's getting better at that. What do my writing skills have to do with my dating prowess?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 10:01 PM
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the first mistake SRU makes is not understanding that being morally "good" and being sexually attractive are two completely different things. sometimes there is overlap, sometimes not. and sometimes being morally virtuous can make you less attractive. How many times do I have to point that these two things are only marginally correlated and only in very specific circumstances if at all? I do not believe that being morally good and sexually attractive are the same thing. ​ the second mistake is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 10:00 PM
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I know you're just trolling me but my point is we could be either - horny or romantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 09:54 PM
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Nice Guys<sup>TM</sup> as conventionally understood are men who fall behind in dating and struggle to understand this through the quantification "but I'm nice" (and actually are not nice at all). Typically they are the men in your scenario who have eggs but no cake: for example they might not keep in shape; they might not groom or have decent hygiene; they might have no ambition; facially, they might not be as attractive as the women they go for; they probably never approach but rather expect to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 09:52 PM
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Yeah, I can see you really did not pay attention to anything I wrote. It comes across quite strongly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 09:36 PM
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If a guy offers to take me out to dinner, the implication is that he’s paying. If I offer to take a guy out to dinner, the implication is that I’m paying Realistically, you're just saying you think it should be the guy that pays for dinner then because it's very rarely the woman who asks. Anyway, even if I did ask you on a date my assumption is that you value my time and companionship otherwise you would not have been so rude to come on a date for the sole luxury of free goodies on my behalf. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 09:34 PM
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If you think that's going to be enough, you're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 09:31 PM
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Not everybody fucks every time two people are attracted to each other Exactly. So I would ask you to please revise your earlier statements in regards to all the information and hypothetical scenarios you have just conceded: If women are having sex with you, you are attractive. If women are not having sex with you, you are unattractive. ​ As for point B, no relationship lasts forever. My point was, women have considerably higher standards for "attractiveness" than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 09:16 PM
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It’s pretty common knowledge that know stupid people procreate far more than intelligent people. Compare a College professor married to a doctor and a part time drug dealer in a trailer park and see who has more offspring. So you are basically conceding the bread and butter of GMD. ​ Socially and finanacially, it is far more advantageous for us to encourage the drug dealer to have less kids than the college professor/doctor in having more. Anti-social traits can be discouraged by means tested be…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 09:13 PM
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Not that many dates. Somewhere around 10. The first date I ever went on my friends happened to be in the same bar and started frantically texting me and piss-taking for not buying her a drink, so I caved in and bought her one (inexperience). One time my date and the woman behind the counter stared me down until I bought her a coffee and then five minutes later she was guiltily plunging through her purse to pay me the change for the coffee I just bought her. One time I was in a bar talking to som…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 08:58 PM
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What about if you are using it ironically though?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 08:37 PM
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Here, it is not that long: Good Man Discourse (GMD), i.e. conversations Good Men (GMs) want to have about: the fact that there are GMs falling behind in the dating world now and what can be done about it what it means if there is a crisis among males who are depressed and not getting what they want from their sexual/romantic lives? depression has been widely linked to a lack of productivity and other problems what the problems are in this sort of society, and what it means for future generations…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 08:25 PM
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"You pay for yours, I pay for mine." This is called "individual responsibility", it's not something you should be expected to establish ahead of time but something that should be taken for granted. Anyway, most women (including egalitarian ones) would find that awkward as fuck if you tried to establish some system of double dutch before a date. Too much overthinking / systematising. Something that most men can deal with but women typically hate because it is "too logical" or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 08:23 PM
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How do you account for (a) social barriers and (b) female hypergamy / dual mating strategy, in your analysis of what makes a man "attractive" or not? How do you know that there might not be instances where there is a mutual interest between a man and woman but nothing happens for various reasons (usually social / contextual)?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 08:19 PM
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I just don't pay for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 08:17 PM
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See, this is how I know you haven't read GMD because you think only Sexually / Romantically Unsuccessful Good Men (SRUGMs) have vested interest. In fact they probably have the least vested interest to pass on positive traits to the next generation through genetics and traits because at some point they are likely to realise that it's just not worth the effort to keep trying for women who don't appreciate them anyway and end up MG/STOW (men somewhere in between being sent and going their own way).…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 08:16 PM
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They are not isolated. What are you talking about? What you're saying makes no sense whatsoever. They go through long dry spells in their 20s while low to mid-high S/RMV women are mostly dating high S/RMV men and then expect them to commit and betabux in their 30s when they realise they can't actually get the high S/RMV men to commit. ​ Mid RMV women are dating mid RMV men. Only by their own flawed misperception of league. It's not a coincidence that the majority of women rate most men as unattr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 08:12 PM
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That's exactly what they are getting. High RMV men are committing to them. Hence they don't ever consider mid or low RMV men. Right. That's not the problem. The problem is how low to mid-high S/RMV men are isolated in the dating market because of the comparative options their counterpart women have. ​ Your relationship preferences are yours to deal with. Mid RMV men should try LTRs with mid RMV women. That's my point. Mid S/RMV women thing their S/RMV is higher because of the non-committal atten…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 07:55 PM
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You're missing the whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 07:41 PM
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Trolling aside? Plenty.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 07:37 PM
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Where the hell do you get this idiotic idea? How does this make any sense? What are the high RMV women doing? Practicing being cat ladies? High RMV women are looking to get high RMV men to commit. They're not interested in hook-ups (so much) because they know that's not what they need to get commitment and because they get that intimacy by being in a relationship. ​ you can't be high RMV without being sexually attractive Being sexually attractive get's your foot in the door but after that, you h…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 07:35 PM
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I think all of those groups need to change to some extent to address the issues raised in GMD.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 07:22 PM
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Cuz ​ ​ I don't wanna.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 07:18 PM
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I would if I could.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 07:17 PM
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Careful of the mods bud, it's not purge week anymore. Anyway, to the rest of what you said, can't you see this was a troll? https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9mfi5w/why_cant_ppd_users_see_what_a_nice_guy_i_am/e7ebqaw
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 07:16 PM
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High RMV men typically have to settle for average to low SMV women at some point for hook-ups or relationships to get experience so they can date high RMV women. Average or slightly above S/RMV men typically have to date low S/RMV women that are below their league of attraction and typically the women got to fuck around in their 20s when they did not. So typically they're not just ending up with leftover women, they have to betabux for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 07:14 PM
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In order for the tri-fold solution to become more widespread public knowledge for the reasons contained within GMD.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 07:10 PM
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Most of the black pillers prefer the black flair which means a lot of no-pillers (e.g. Merge-Meister) use the grey/white flair to signal their stance. ​ Lots of meathead bodybuilder type guys are socially and mentally retarded, plus extremely insecure. Not all of them (in fact, far from it) are aesthetically pleasing sexy Steve Reeves "lite" type guys who also have basic charisma. Yeah but I am not a meathead. If you took my personality now and added a good, ripped physique it would surely be ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 07:09 PM
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Oh yeah black is neutral on this forum. It should be the grey/white one that is neutral. I didn't say it was all looks, I was just pointing towards an example of where looks could contribute to social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 07:07 PM
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I just want to be heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:50 PM
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In the modern world not only do women get to practice higher standards due to bateman's principle (read: thirsty AF men), body and sex positivity but in the dating market, many men have become increasingly isolated due to technology, social media, fear of male sexuality (it can be frowned upon just to walk up to a girl and say "hi") and asocial attitudes. The combination of these factors present social barriers - sometimes for women but in particular for men - that make dating difficult in spite…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:47 PM
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Muscular guys have more charisma / stage presence because of how they get to carry themselves and also because the musculature improves their vocal projection. This means that they are in a better position to influence people and therefore make friends. Isn't your flair colour supposed to be black pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:42 PM
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People have seen my photos on here and also the fact I'm in shape and also the fact I have a slightly eccentric but basically cool personality. I only want to date women around my level of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:39 PM
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Ok lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:38 PM
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What about this one? https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9mh5mc/overview_of_srugm_theory_a_clarification/
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:36 PM
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Some of us would be content with just sex. For now, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:35 PM
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I mean, if high RMV is anything and everything above the RMV of those two girls in that picture, you've got pretty low standards compared to the standards women have for men (which just proves my point about Bateman's Principle).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:33 PM
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My point is, when people are saying "oh just be a good guy" and they clearly mean mainly in the sense of "virtuous" it sends out the wrong message to guys who actually believe all that shit and put down the weights, etc. to go be a good little boy and suck up to women in a way that is not sexually or even romantically attractive. For example, when I was 16, all I wanted to do was lift weights and eat 6 meals a day but my mother said it was unhealthy and that girls don't like big muscles or whate…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:32 PM
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Women have a different conceptualisation of league because of Bateman's Principle.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:27 PM
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That's effectively what I've been doing with most of my posts. Figuring out how to communicate most of this information in a way that's succinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:27 PM
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I could probably get dates from those 3 girls. They aren't my preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:24 PM
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I responded to your request for clarification: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9mh5mc/overview_of_srugm_theory_a_clarification/ ​ So, what did you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:23 PM
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Virtue isn't attractive and I never said it was. It just pisses me off when Disney, feminists, women etc. say that all women are looking for is "Mr. Right".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:21 PM
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Some users on here have seen my face. They can chime in and validate if they happen to see this comment thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:20 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:18 PM
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TGP, TGP. What ever is the matter with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:18 PM
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The purge is over, stop the shit posting now. Do that over there! Ok: https://www.reddit.com/r/purplepillcirclejerk/comments/9mhd9u/does_anybody_even_use_this_sub/
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:13 PM
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I'm in good shape, they are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:11 PM
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There's being displeased with things the way they are and then there's going on a killing rampage. In fact, I address this exact phenomena in my GMD section of the GMGV Primer: [T]here are conversations Good Men (GMs)[1] want to have about: our concerns about the absence of platforms[4] which are dedicated to the discussion of Good Man Discourse (GMD)[5] rather than the damnatio memoriae[6] https://www.reddit.com/r/GoodMenGoodValues/wiki/section-a#wiki_2._what_do_you_mean_when_you_say_the_discou…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:07 PM
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She is not bad looking. Kind of pretty, in fact. I prefer white girls but other than that I would date her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:05 PM
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sru91 and his "I’m the unabomber of ppd" Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:03 PM
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Yeah, some people on here have said she is nice in real life so I am not going to pass judgement on her. But it is certainly true that the things she say and does are pretty awful as you say yourself and she gets away with it way too much. I think part of it is just her trying to pour salt water on wounds (if I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt) but you know how some people apply salt water that isn't needed, or they give you salt water for a wound you don't even have? Atlas is a bit like th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:02 PM
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No I am too much of a supreme gentleman for such a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 05:58 PM
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I disagree, I'm a nice guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 05:55 PM
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As I conceive it, Good Men are "Good" in different senses, essentially.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 05:54 PM
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I'm joking. But on a serious note you covered a lot of the topics quite well. You did get some things wrong though: ​ The men I'm talking about are less likely to be preoccupied with lookism because we know from personal experience looks aren't everything and more likely to be questioning the impact of other attributes like charisma, wealth and social status towards attraction rather than blue pilled concepts like "personality" and being a cool, fun, chill guy that's a nice dude or whatever. Mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 05:39 PM
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Execution: 8/10 Content: 4/10
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 05:30 PM
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Much of it is serious, some of it is a parody of myself, some of it is a parody of what misconceptions people have about men that fall behind in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 05:26 PM
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Yes, that's right not all of my posts are trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 05:20 PM
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If you're talking about the OP I linked to, I said it had "trollish spikes". Obviously for the most part it is serious. If we're talking about the current main topic, then yes it is a troll: it is a parody of how people think that if you are falling behind in dating and want to distinguish yourself from certain negative stereotypes, you must be a fedora tipping Nice Guy / Incel type.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 05:19 PM
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Do you dare deny that I am the one true supreme gentleman?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 04:40 PM
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When the topics are strongly related to each other that is hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 04:38 PM
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No dick pics: I am a nice guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 04:37 PM
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Your saying cope is a cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 04:20 PM
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This OP is a troll and some of my comments when people say "but why can't you be more self-reflective" and I reply "there is nothing wrong with me, I am a nice guy why can't you see that" are trolls. Most of my posts are not trolls though but I occasionally slip in a trollish spike, e.g. a Tl;Dr that is almost the same length as the post, or a reference to another user. For example, https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9lpc4a/nuances_of_social_difficulties_guys_face_in_dating/ ​ In…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 04:18 PM
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When does it end now?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 04:11 PM
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I think that you just can't see me for the nice guy I truly am.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 03:39 PM
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I am not like a troll. I am a handsome nice guy and a supremely sophisticated gentleman.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 03:32 PM
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Why don't you just let me cope in peace?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 03:32 PM
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Sun shines out of my own ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 03:31 PM
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It is because you are so sublime.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 03:23 PM
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Copeth is a supreme psychological rationalisation that is reserved only for true gentleman alpha male nice guy types such as myself. To truly copeth, I must first fetch my fedora and a walking stick.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 03:22 PM
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well fuck you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 03:21 PM
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I'm just trying to cope with the reality of being a nice guy that finishes last in a cruel world. What do you have against such a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 03:20 PM
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I just thought they would be nice like I am being nice to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 03:19 PM
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No, I'm always a nice guy when I'm talking to women. I don't know what they don't see in me: I'm the perfect gentleman...supreme, you might say.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 03:17 PM
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u/SRU91 can bake cookies
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 03:16 PM
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Why would I troll? I'm a nice guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 03:15 PM
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But why would they fuck with a nice guy like I am? All I'm trying to do is spread my heart in my posts. I'm a nice guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 03:14 PM
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That's actually true, lol. For the user Atlas and the book also.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 03:12 PM
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u/deepfatthinker92 IS INCORRECT
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 03:11 PM
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I don't think that's a fair assessment. I'm a nice guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 03:09 PM
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Tbh, I was talking about OkC as well as Tinder. I actually got better at presenting myself although still feel kinda bitchy that you have to put all this effort into your messages when they could just check out your profile to see if you are a cool, interesting, funny guy that's not a sociopath. Anyway, I was only ever using online dating to improve my conversation skills. I prefer to approach in real life because I live in a culture where my experience of being a 26 year old virgin has emascula…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 03:06 PM
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CORRECT
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 02:55 PM
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Lookism does not exist
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 02:53 PM
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I think the Purge is a movie Atlas would very much like.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 02:48 PM
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I watched the first one. It was shit. Hardly leftist propaganda though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 02:37 PM
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You only got that impression because I took out all the links that explain my points which were too long to expand upon in the OP. This was to avoid breaking the Reddit content-policy rule about spam. The links explaining what is wrong with feminism are in the following places: https://www.reddit.com/r/goodmengoodvalues/wiki/glossary#wiki_intersectional-humanism_.28ih.29 https://www.reddit.com/r/IntersecHumanism/comments/969g6i/what_are_intersectionalhumanist_ih_systems_of/ ​ In a nut-shell, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 02:33 PM
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Ideological purity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 02:10 PM
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Rope a dope a hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 02:09 PM
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No, I am a nice guy. I would never do something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 02:09 PM
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If it's true that women are more attracted to the psychology of a man (I am reserving judgement here) than his looks, online dating is a shit method of gauging psychology anyway because people put their best foot forwards right? So if you put cool pics of you doing stuff with animals and friends in the outdoors in your best clothes and write a really cool bio with funny jokes and details about all the places you have travelled, nobody will believe that anyway. In fact it will just come across as…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 02:07 PM
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Why would you say something like that? I am handsome guy, no I look like troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:54 PM
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I can't help it if my writing skills do not even match up the competence of a mediocre amateur. I am who I am. Why can't you and PPD just accept me for who I am? I'm a nice guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:51 PM
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I'm not a professional writer and don't make out like I am one. I present my ideas to the best of my ability. If you and other PPD users won't accept me it's because I'm a nice guy and nice guys always finish last.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:47 PM
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If there is a lot of topics you want to explore and have a hard time cutting them down, that doesn't mean you think you think you are smarter than everyone else. It just means things need to be expressed in a certain way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:45 PM
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Thank you for this idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:43 PM
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The mods wouldn't listen to me. It's because I'm a nice guy. And nice guys always finish last.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:37 PM
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Only if it is the church of Satan.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:22 PM
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Look, all I'm saying ...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:21 PM
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I don't understand why you can't just let incels post and then spam the place with "fuck all incels" "fuck blackops2cel" stuff. And randomly spam the place with blue pill studies or something. Perfect strategy for getting rid of incels and then we can have PPD as a free state.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:17 PM
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Try femdom.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:15 PM
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What is the stereotype for white guys? Wealthy, privileged cis-white male?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:14 PM
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It's obvious that sex isn't an actual "need" like food and water are. No, it is not a "need". What it can bring however is physical and emotional fulfilment and connection with another human being. It's absence on the other hand only brings cognitive dissonance. Historically, priests and monks everywhere have broken their "chastity" vows left right and centre (sometimes with people they really shouldn't be). And the vast majority of them also masturbate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:09 PM
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Do people not realise that posts like these are just ego boosters? "Somebody thought I was important enough to make a post about me, yaaaaaaaay!!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:00 PM
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Means
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 12:59 PM
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😁 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 12:57 PM
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If I ever get laid, it is going to become "Sexy & Romantic Unicorn"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 12:56 PM
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Tl;Dr It's about a distinction between Sexually / Romantically Unsuccessful People (SRUPs) like the guy in Michael's story who abstained mostly for religious reasons but later in life he is "unsuccessful" in the sense that he can't find a pure chaste virgin like himself, and guys like me. Guys like me are SRU because although we don't have moral qualms with sex we just couldn't find somebody where there was reciprocated interest. When I had written that it was an old post so I had not formulated…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 12:44 PM
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Does the giraffe have a sexy bosom?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 12:25 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 12:20 PM
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😁 https://www.dementiaresearcher.nihr.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/shutterstock_272370605.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 12:20 PM
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I have seen your comments. You typically only drop one or two lines maximum.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 10:51 AM
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YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT “VERBOSE” MEANS Don't be so mean. I use big words and amverysmart and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 10:49 AM
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Yes but you don't debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 02:22 AM
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Debates. For example, if you accused me of using big words in this conversation, I could just lazily link you to this post that explains why I do so: https://www.reddit.com/r/socialskills/comments/9kim0v/i_am_annoyed_about_how_people_react_to_big_words/
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:56 AM
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Because people might come back and read it later if I link to it in discussions as relevant to the context.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:49 AM
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Yeah, I was expecting it to be much more gruesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:28 AM
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Yes because nobody will read it 😦
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:26 AM
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I think that would improve the execution but not so much the concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:20 AM
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If you were in my shoes and you knew that improving the "execution" would knock down points in the "concept" what would you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 01:09 AM
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You assume it's a problem with writing whereas I know (from acquaintance with my own thoughts) that the difficulty is from limitations in any conventional form of expression.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 11:37 PM
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Reading feedback on here, all my language is just "writingmogged" and "claritymogged" by majority of PPD users anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 11:07 PM
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I also said that there were kinds of advice I would accept - concrete and detailed. But so far, nobody was willing to engage in the templates required, so all I can assumed is that it is not possible. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9l3bv6/how_advice_should_be_given_to_outsidersanalytical/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9lmj8d/why_normie_advice_doesnt_work_for_most_of_us/ ​ You don't wanna hear any one tell you that your manifestos contain incorrect thinkin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 11:02 PM
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You have it all figured out If that's sarcasm, you're going to have to elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 10:38 PM
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in order to get a female you have to first pass a looks check and then a personality check. This is assuming women don't judge intrinsic on other aspects before you open your mouth. I.e. charisma in the way you walk, how you project yourself, how you project your voice, etc. Black pill want to show how women can be just as superficial as men. The problem was that the original theorists didn't realise that women could be superficial in other respects than in relation to looks or money.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 10:13 PM
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I have said before that I disliked Atlas. But truthfully, I don't have anything against her personally because I don't even know her. I just don't have an opinion on her in all honesty. But based on her comment history on my posts at least, I don't think she has anything useful to offer me. And if she does, I don't get the impression she has the "give a fuck" capacity to demonstrate otherwise. In any case, maybe there is nothing wrong with who she is but what she does: which is to comment terrib…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 10:10 PM
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blackpill doesn't uphold this as most people believe your personality is moldable Well quite frankly, maybe that is where the black pill has gone wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 10:07 PM
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I don't get why everyone thinks she is so helpful. All she does is post one liners telling me how "mentally deficient" I am. It's Atlas_B_Shruggin by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 10:01 PM
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Everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 10:00 PM
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It doesn't need vaseline to shine, believe me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 09:51 PM
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It must be my big d that's shining through.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 09:45 PM
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So what time / date does it conclude now? 6pm UTC 8/10?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 09:04 PM
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What about topics pertaining to sexual and romantic isolation?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 08:20 PM
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Lol chill. I changed my flair to "fuck all strange mods" because you made my flair "r/StrangeMenStrangeValues" and u/Young_Oryx thought this was directed at her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 08:19 PM
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Shout out to all my fans.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 08:18 PM
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Young-Oryx during Purge Week.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 08:17 PM
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Oh you were the flair fucker? You got me in trouble with u/young_oryx
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 08:15 PM
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Oh yeah mother fuckers. Is incel content back on?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 08:13 PM
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Well thank you but stick up my arse? Didn't you see my earlier posts in Purge Week? I'm a cool and fun guy! (just trollin' strollin').
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 08:11 PM
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They're not regular posters. Still, they might be subscribers. No, the announcement thread didn't have a lot of replies which indicates to me that all the trolls were already aware Purge Week was happening. I still like your idea though because it might minimise the problems, even if it doesn't eradicate them entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 07:44 PM
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But you created the acronym SRUGM for that very reason. Just say SRUGM. If you say "Good Men", your message is inaccurate. Most good men do partner up with women. Some of the sections had been copied and pasted from places in my Primer where I had not specifically said "SRUGM" because I had not come up with the acronym yet. Obviously I cannot account for any and every perspective in a world of 7 billion subjectivities. But I do my best to cover what I can. ​ Isolated outsiders with no friends ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 07:17 PM
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This is actually a good idea. Although a lot of the shitposters are probably subscribers here anyhow. And the post you are thinking about was probably HeRoped's. It didn't seem to work though judging from the comments: Fuck those cucks anyway, may they rot in hell
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 06:57 PM
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Right, because there could be 10 or 100 timezones, for instance. Or is there a particular reason there has to be 24?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 06:42 PM
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I think you'll find it's a trope.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 06:29 PM
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Now click me! It's not morning.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 06:20 PM
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Not to sound braggy but I have a lot I want to say, I guess. It's difficult to be succinct. My favourite food would be Chinese. I guess if we are to use a food analogy, I'm trying to be a buffet rather than a regular 3 course meal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 06:09 PM
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I don't think people want to listen to me. I try to pass on my message but if the receiver won't take it, there's nothing I can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 05:34 PM
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Encyclopedias on related subjects? You think an editor would employ me?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 05:25 PM
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Yes, very helpful :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 04:11 PM
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That's alright, I was looking up SRU on the PPD search bar, trying to find a good ego-boost.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 03:44 PM
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judges? SRU can make up words Who me? I've never been winged by a gay person so I wouldn't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 02:26 PM
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And definitely don't get dogs: those things are filthy fucking animals. In fact, men in general are dirty disgusting pigs - they bring back all their filth and their empty beer bottles and after their hangovers they smell absolutely dreadful. Just get these creatures out of my house. ​ edit - I misread your comment. Oh well, I'm not changing what I wrote, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 02:00 PM
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I agree. Won't somebody please think of the children?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 01:39 PM
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You're letting the team down, SMH.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 12:57 PM
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Just not to the women men actually want. 16 yr olds Yes, because all men want 16 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 12:42 PM
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It's substitute word for rationalisation hamster, basically. If you're "coping" with something in incel speak it means you're rationalising things to avoid the truth about something. So for example if an incel says "ugly guys will never have a girlfriend" and you replied with something like "sometimes ugly guys get girlfriends", they would say that was just a coping mechanism of avoiding the inevitable truth that ugly guys will never get girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 12:19 PM
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Well, there are still reddit wide rules. And no fucking incel shit, either. Got it, mmmkay?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 12:14 PM
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Just make sure incels stay in Reddit Content-Policy: Content is prohibited if it Is illegal Is involuntary pornography Is sexual or suggestive content involving minors (18 or younger) Encourages or incites violence Threatens, harasses, or bullies or encourages others to do so Is personal and confidential information Impersonates someone in a misleading or deceptive manner Uses Reddit to solicit or facilitate any transaction or gift involving certain goods and services Is spam If something breaks…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 11:56 AM
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A day is 24 hours, because that's how long it takes the earth to rotate on its axis and a year is 365.25 days long because that's how long it takes the earth to make one complete trip around the sun Yes but a day could be split up in to different units of time (I think) but a year would always have to be measured in days (because we measure things according to when it's light or dark). I think the clock is useful in many ways even if systems change and Anno Domini was employed because it serves …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 11:49 AM
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come and spam!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:04 PM
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It never does violate a rule all I can ever do is give shit back.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 09:02 PM
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My existential crisis got worse with drugs. Not taking that path again.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 08:54 PM
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I don't mind as long as people don't say I have nothing interesting or relevant to contribute to pill theory because I am a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 08:53 PM
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In the same vein, the clock of the long now cannot make assumptions about how people will regard theft, what kind of tools people will have in the future, or what kind of values and culture. I'd say that the clock makes one assumption only and that is that people will use the same 24 hour system and animo domini point of reference a long time into the future as what they does now. ​ Without dealing with the context in which a solution is proposed, that solution is mere idealism and holds no valu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 08:49 PM
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Or push them into an existential crisis.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 07:48 PM
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I don't mean it in a derogatory sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 07:30 PM
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It doesn't. He was telling me to stop bitching about not getting laid. I was just pointing out that this is marginalising my issue and as a guy that had the same issues as me he should know about this. The Uncle Tom thing was obviously a hyperbole. I suspected that he slept with a hooker because when he was giving me advice about how to get laid he said "there's always a lie in every story like this" and at the time I didn't think much of it but it got me thinking and I realised nobody is really…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 07:22 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYfuUWA-Cww
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 03:56 PM
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how to stop bein retarded? am srs: am bad at this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 03:55 PM
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Here you have it https://cdn.medisave.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1000x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/i/microlance_syringe_24.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 03:53 PM
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how to be funny person? am srs: am bad at this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 03:53 PM
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Pope
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 02:55 PM
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Cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 02:49 PM
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Fuck incels, fuck blackops2cel, fuck the black pill
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 02:38 PM
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They will all turn to the dark side of the force.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:55 PM
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Ikr?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:52 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:51 PM
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We all have our own unique coping mechanisms to deal with life. Nothing to be ashamed of.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:49 PM
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Yes, that is true. I have a close relationship with my advisor. But the coursework for that is separate from the project proposals.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:48 PM
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Did you only do an undergraduate or something? My course is probably very different to most courses.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:46 PM
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Funnily enough my most recent proposals were accepted. On my course I don't get written edits, I only get to see my supervisors occasionally to discuss the projects. How it is structured all depends upon the projects chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:44 PM
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Funnily enough I am doing a Masters but it is not in anything related. The concept would be the idea that isolated men could still have something useful to talk about in relation to how men and women interact with each other (socially, politically and sexually).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:38 PM
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That’s a thesis, not a concise concept. Thesis: a statement or theory that is put forward as a premise to be maintained or proved. Concept: an abstract idea ​ A thesis is meaningless without a conceptual framework.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:31 PM
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I'm not a mongrel but I am sublime.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:27 PM
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He meant he thinks I’m being smug and gatekeeping the secrets to success by not giving you the exact terms to query. Which is more or less exactly what I said. Just minus the "exact terms to query" thing. But apparently that is just me being a sperg. ​ Quote me one singular concept you’ve raised that you think is new to me or this sub? The idea of the necessity of a theory about gender dynamics and sexual mating strategy that comes from the insight of men who have experienced sexual / romantic i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:26 PM
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All I got from google search of that was this: ​ Inigo Inigo derives from the Castilian rendering (Íñigo) of the medieval Basque name Eneko).[1] Ultimately, the name means "my little (love)".[2] While mostly seen among the Iberian diaspora, it also gained a limited popularity in Wales. Early traces of the name Eneko go back to Roman times, but the first certain attestation of it is from the early Middle Ages. The name appears in Latin, as Enneco, and Arabic, as Wannaqo (ونقه) in reports of Íñigo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:19 PM
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Doesn't matter. It's still totally inappropriate anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:16 PM
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Yeah yeah yeah. You know what the implications were.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:11 PM
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Yes! ​ r/PurplePillPurge/
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:07 PM
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And you say that I make low quality content?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:05 PM
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Not to mention where does banning incels and their terminology imply that are gonna kill themselves lol. It's not our job to take care of YOUR mental health. There are professionals for that, that actually get paid to do so. You should try some of them. You were saying that the mods should ban incel terminology and PPD users should, instead of telling them to "rope", tell them to go for the "of Mice and Men" ending.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:04 PM
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And earlier I asked a separate question about gate keeping. Which I figured you wouldn't be able to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:02 PM
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Oh no, no, no. You didn't understand what I meant. Use your superior powers of social deduction to read between the lines and understand the hidden nugget of wisdom that was lying beneath my words, oh socially superior one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:54 PM
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As this thread is clearly just thinly veiled suicide endorsement (not so subtle), it's against Reddit content-policy. u/young_oryx
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:52 PM
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Yes and you don't have to listen to me either, which clearly, you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:49 PM
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Blah blah blah rationalisation hamster blah blah blah I am smug self-righteous and condescending blah blah blah I am sexually and socially experienced you should listen to me blah blah blah I am a caring and empathetic person I really care about people like you
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:31 PM
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You don't want to help sexually and romantically unsuccessful people. Which is fine, you don't have to. But please drop the pretenses. Don't make threads acting like you care because clearly you could not give two shits.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:24 PM
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You’re more learning disabled than I thought. And you are smug, condescending and self-righteous.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:22 PM
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the spirit of this sub Suuuure.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:18 PM
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I really just wanted to talk about my friend who improved himself, but he helped himself and wanted to improve. Idk if you can really help people who refuse to be helped. ... I’m glad you noticed this 😂 ​
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:17 PM
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Jesus christ what's the point of putting this as a mod post during Purge Week ffs. Does it give you a good feeling of power rush? ​ Not sure if you’ve taken a course in Logic, Communication, or Debate but one of the most basic core principles is that you do not word vomit. You make clear, succinct, cogent points. You allow the other person to receive that point. And then you make a counter point. THAT IS HOW YOU FOMENT GOOD FAITH DISCUSSION WHICH IS THE FUCKING POINT OF THIS SUBREDDIT. What does…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:14 PM
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And you wouldn't know anything about the lengths I've gone to self-improve. So stop talking about things you don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:00 PM
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I don't want or need your advice for the search button. My argument is that the design of the sub obstructs concrete advice suggestions for sexually / romantically unsuccessful good men from being conveyed due to the way the nature of the discourse has been directed from the rules. Whether at one point in time useful information has been conveyed is irrelevant to my point about the way cultural direction at PPD has been shifted along with changes to the design. Using the search function proves n…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:54 AM
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He meant that you were preventing me from finding certain information about dating advice for virgins that is on the sub by not linking me to it directly. I was just pointing out that "gatekeeping" can be understood in multiple senses.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:44 AM
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You can gatekeep in more than one sense of the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:41 AM
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Whodunnit said you were [g]atekeeping a subreddit to someone who wants to explore their ideas, essay length and unoriginal they may be Whodunnit was correct (technically).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:36 AM
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You and Spacewhiskey were both issuing subtle warnings and post-guidance for me "how to get people to listen" read: "how to not get banned".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:33 AM
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Really? If you did you wouldn’t be here carpet bombing us with OPs. I was talking about extrinsic changes such as with the trifold solution. Not intrinsic stuff like self-improvement although that is good too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:31 AM
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Nah, I actually have a pretty good idea about what changes would help me or guys like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:22 AM
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Yeah alright, bitch to GridreXX about her "gatekeeping" me when I'm not around and then bitch to me about my long posts when she isn't. Then call me a troll, lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:21 AM
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You said you know escorts that you are friends with in real life and you don't like it how guys have a stigma about seeing escorts because you think it affects their business or something. Thing is, whether they are nice people or not is irrelevant to me because I want to experience human intimacy in a normal way. Which is not something you would understand yourself if you are an average or above average attractive woman that gets to experience intimacy in a normal way yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:20 AM
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What you are doing is saying that my posts will be removed and I will be banned if I don't explore certain themes in a certain way within very specific guidelines as per sub rules (when it's not Purge Week) which are enforced subjectively at the whim of individual mods. I mean you're a mod so you get to do that and I don't get to bitch about it. But gatekeeping it certainly is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:18 AM
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And the tri-fold solution - that's the other thing. ​ Oh sure, acknowledging detailed suggestions from a man with inside experience with sexual / romantic isolation what can be done to overcome the issue for guys prone to overthinking would be useless. What's useful is telling me to get a hooker, ok sure thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:16 AM
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I didn't say it is a sin. A last resort it is though. Face it: as much as you like your hooker friends, nobody wants to pay money to experience physical and emotional intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:14 AM
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Yeah neither of you are particularly helpful tbh. You made a post asking what could be done to help guys like me and then ignored my comment explaining what could be done to help guys like me: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9lqom2/how_do_we_as_a_community_help/e78p7vd
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:13 AM
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For what it's worth, I don't judge you for losing your virginity to a hooker. After a certain age it becomes unbearable to still be a virgin: you did what you had to do. I'm not even being a smug dick, I'm just saying that it makes sense now where you're coming from and why all the anger you're projecting onto me. Because you went through the same thing so you know what it feels like. Here: I want to have a bro hug with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:09 AM
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If he lost his v-card to a hooker as I suspect he did, then I doubt he has much helpful to say to me anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:05 AM
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Do you admit you're an Uncle Tom who lost his virginity to a hooker?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:03 AM
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Check out the tri-fold solution and let me know what you think: https://www.reddit.com/r/GoodMenGoodValues/wiki/section-e#wiki_1._what_is_the_gmgv_proposed_.22tri-fold_solution.22_to_the_problem_of_gms_falling_behind_in_dating.3F
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:02 AM
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One thing life has taught me is that no one is attracted to a negative person. You're reminding me of a post someone made on here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9lq5jl/when_an_incel_with_a_bad_personality_improves_his/ ​ Ah yeah, we should all really get onto that positivity shit. I'm sure that will help.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 10:54 AM
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Rather be a Nice Guy than an Uncle Tom.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 10:49 AM
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And I know that you like to evade questions. So did you lose your v-card to a hooker or not? And at what age?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 10:42 AM
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Since you didn't lose your virginity until after 30 or whenever it was and I don't even know if it was to a hooker or a regular girl or what, you of all people should know what it feels like to be sexually and romantically isolated. What you're doing now is Uncle Tom shit by marginalising my issues, on this subject. Since although they may be first world issues compared to other subjects and the "Uncle Tom" analogy is a hyperbole what you are doing is shutting down anyone with legitimate grievan…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 10:28 AM
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No I can think of many examples where man stick penis into man's anus hole on accident. For example, by mistake he pick up transvestite prozzie and they fuck in dark room. Lots of drug and alcohol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 09:07 AM
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Well, he is a man that somehow made it as a therapist, so I don't know what to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 09:04 AM
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lonely, ugly, skinny loser to a lonely ugly, jacked loser To be fair, I would take the latter over the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:46 AM
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What about if a man accidentally stuck his inappropriate pipe into man's anus hole. What must he do then?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:39 AM
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Yeah virgin guys just want to live and hope that by the time they hit 30 things will magically be better for the and they will have women crawling all over them but it's not a reality if they can't fix things up in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:37 AM
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Appropriate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:20 AM
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You know where to stick that appropriate pipe.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:13 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:05 AM
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The shaking is from projecting your own negative traits (Machiavellianism, Narcissism and Sociopathy) onto me. If you read the Illimitable Men shit-test encyclopedia, you will see that it is a reverse pressure flip. https://illimitablemen.com/2014/12/14/the-shit-test-encyclopedia/ You need to look deep inside yourself and be more self-reflective, Grid. I am a Good Man, so you should be a Good Woman. Check out r/GoodWomenGoodValues, for learning how to avoid men with Dark Triad Personalities in d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 11:49 PM
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Jordan Peterson is an example of therapy gone wrong considering he sought out to convince one of his clients - a rape victim - that she was delusional and it was all in her head.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 11:41 PM
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I don't think that's a very nice thing to say about me. I am a Good Man and I would never do something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 11:38 PM
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I don't know what you're talking about, he sounds sexy as fuck. I got a hard-on just listening to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 11:36 PM
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He's channelled here right now, I don't understand where the delusion's coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 11:33 PM
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IRL I am not in the slightest bit neurotic but actually a cool, chilled-out well-collected guy and essentially a well-functional human being. You could say that I am a great guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 11:29 PM
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Well I don't think that therapy is very good, e.g. for reasons mentioned in my Primer: Psychological/psychiatric experts and therapists are also instruments of the State and the established political economy (tripartisan corporatist arrangements). Their primary function is to make sure the cog fits in the machine. If the cog is happy in the machine is only a secondary function and even when this is addressed, primarily, these people only want to make sure the cog "feels happy" with it's place wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 11:27 PM
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No, I think you will find that I am a very nuanced and self-reflective individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 11:25 PM
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I took your analogy from right under yo momma's ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 11:22 PM
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I'm not bad at this, you just can't interpret my analogies.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 11:13 PM
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I'm not as high pitched as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 11:09 PM
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To self-diagnose personality traits is biased as fuck because self-deprecative individuals will exaggerate all the things they think are flaws about them while arrogant individuals will exaggerate all the things they think are strengths about them. The test itself is effectively Rorschachian, the traits themselves are subjectively interpreted and can change depending on various social contexts (e.g. the guy who's an extrovert at work but introvert the moment he sets foot in a nightclub).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 11:08 PM
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I do understand. Seems to me like the baker doesn't know her own produce.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 11:04 PM
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Yeah, Myers-Briggs is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:42 PM
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I explained this in my Primer: Psychological/psychiatric experts and therapists are also instruments of the State and the established political economy (tripartisan corporatist arrangements). Their primary function is to make sure the cog fits in the machine. If the cog is happy in the machine is only a secondary function and even when this is addressed, primarily, these people only want to make sure the cog "feels happy" with it's place working in the machine. This was my experience with the ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:41 PM
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Obviously I'm going to say anything I can to derail her since she is obviously trolling me so I'm going to troll her back.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:30 PM
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You should be encouraged to keep pursuing sexual relations. I said you have nothing to offer women for casual sex. They can find better. There's no gain for them. Getting a girlfriend is a more effective way for guys like you to have sexual relations. And I'm saying that's not necessarily true. Those women want relationships, not casual sex. And women who think they can derive pleasure from casual sex from anybody by star fishing and being non-reciprocal are delusional. ​ Casual sex doesn't come…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:29 PM
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And yet, people who lost their virginity, probably before they could drive had cake enough to get laid in the first place so, maybe you should go ahead and think that one through a little.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:23 PM
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Nuh uh.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:15 PM
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That analogy does indeed apply when the man in question does not have cake. However in some instances, he has cake and still receives bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:11 PM
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Check out my advice giver section: https://www.reddit.com/r/GoodMenGoodValues/wiki/section-e#wiki_4._right.2C_i_have_some_advice_for_you_lot_at_gmgv.2C_get_ready ​ https://www.reddit.com/r/GoodMenGoodValues/wiki/appendix#wiki_8._acceptable_advice_at_r.2Fgoodmengoodvalues ​ Following the template under the "personal counselling" section is how to help someone like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:01 PM
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Much more likely for novices because your body isn't used to it The point is, you're saying I should be discouraged (i.e. shamed) for pursuing sexual relations because as a virgin I have nothing reciprocal to offer and I'm saying that's not necessarily true. A lot of it depends on the woman's attitude herself and how reciprocal she is. ​ That's a risk with any interactions, even casual sex. Relationships is a prolonged experience and therefore more likely. ​ If you want compassion and patience f…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:58 PM
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It's touch and go. I figured out a way for virgins to contribute to discussions on gender dynamics and mating strategy without trying to come across like they are seasoned advice givers but just the idea of the subject causes revulsion in some: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9jbioi/how_pill_theory_applies_from_virgin_perspectives/ ​ If I talk about these things on here myself everyone knows that I'm a virgin and don't expect my ideas to be taken with anything less than a pinc…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:41 PM
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Also, look to nature for your theme if struggling to find one. For example if we use nature as the subject itself, we can use steps 1 to 5 with however it is we conceptualise or define nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:19 PM
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Nah, I'm just projecting my ideology even if some people don't like it. You on the other hand have the false illusion of social superiority. I responded to this, not the fact you made idiotic comments following me round on my threads.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:17 PM
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The connotations are the same for both terms. Also, I'm not even necessarily incel at face value. I mean I could get a hooker (for example). Here more detail (important part bolded): SEXUALLY / ROMANTICALLY UNSUCCESSFUL PEOPLE (SRUPs) Not counting masturbation, we are technically "celibate" but distinguish ourselves from incels and volcels for a variety of reasons. Incels have gotten a bad reputation the last few years and the following things have become associated with them which SRUPs do not …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:13 PM
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Your body won't be used to the sensations Great, it will be a new experience then. ​ (you might not be able to keep it up, or you might blow your load too fast). Which can happen with anyone. ​ It may not be horrible, but probably awkward and unsatisfying. All hypothetical and true regardless of experience. ​ Most are open to that... in the context of a relationship. Who the hell engages in any kind of physical or emotional interaction with another human being without prioritising sensitivity an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:09 PM
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Nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:54 PM
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You are involuntarily celibate. I mean that at face value. So now, I know that you are aware of the negative public connotations I am also aware of the fact that you would willingly associate me with those connotations by calling me a term I do not want to be identified with. This is not a good faith discussion. Goodbye.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:53 PM
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The public connotation with incels is that they are black pilled. Social context drives the meaning of words. That's why "socialism" used to mean "Marxism" but now it means "social democracy". It's the same deal with "incels" - it used to mean "dude who can't get laid" but now it means "black pilled zealot who is pro-rape and paedophilia". Hence I don't identify myself as incel. If you call me incel you might think you are being accurate by using a face value term but actually what you are doing…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:50 PM
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A man that's cake is used. A man that's got cake knows the deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:43 PM
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You're aware that you got a head start in the dating game. What you're not aware is how condescending your quips come across when you are basically inferring that the problem is me. Look over the comments you left on my previous threads and consider the effect that would have had on me. And no, I don't believe that you were doing it to be intentionally mean or because it's purge week, I think you are just socially oblivious and low EQ. I am actually aware what emotional impact I have on people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:40 PM
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Define a theme, e.g. Theme: the subject of a talk, piece of writing, exhibition, etc.; a topic. ​ 2. Expand on the theme, e.g. What does it mean to discuss a subject? How should we go about discussing a subject? Who is qualified to discuss a subject? Are there issues of bias in discussing a subject? ​ 3. Repeat points that are relevant to the sub-categories of your theme that you have already expanded upon (cut and paste material when appropriate), e.g. any point about who an authority is to dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:38 PM
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I'm like the Sexually / Romantically Unsuccessful Good Men I describe, sure. Just not the folks that throw themselves in with the r/braincels or incels.me crowd and constitute "incels". The problem is you are taking the term at face value, which is effectively means you are lumping anyone that is sexually/romantically isolated in with the larger crowds of the unwashed. And that's a big problem with PPD - nobody distinguishes isolation from incels here. Also, incels are always complaining about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:31 PM
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what harsh truths? That you come on to my threads with your "oh boy 🍿" snark remarks thinking your better than me and you know something special because you overcame your social difficulties with autism whereas I still have dating problems and you're basically unaware that life has slung you a pussy pass so you can fuck right off and absolve yourself of any delusion that you belong on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:26 PM
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I think I would be able to make it enjoyable for her as long as she doesn't starfish or act like a cold bitch just because I'm inexperienced. What I can say from making out at the very least is that a lot of the enjoyment is a two way street and if the girl has an attitude problem, of course it's not going to be a good experience for her, in which case she should have just rejected me to start out with. Because clearly she either doesn't know what she wants or is looking for something else entir…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:22 PM
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No all of this is not true. I'm a chill, self-deprecative guy. And again, I have the cake.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:18 PM
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discourage pursuit of a 1-sided transaction of no benefit to the other party Discouraging is shaming the sexuality of man for pursuing something he desires. Rejection is neutral and can be with or without discouragement.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:15 PM
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Eh. My parents are chill so, I don't have any anxiety. That's why I said the rest of your post is probably just coincidental.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:13 PM
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Well you said you have autism and you get a free pass because you're an attractive woman. So now I'm giving you some harsh truths all your instagram worshippers probably don't tell you. You should be grateful.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:11 PM
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I don't think I'm smug, close minded or have a lack of humility. I'd say I just convey a realistic image of myself that comes from a place of awareness rather than arrogance. For example, if you work hard and got a good degree, you can say that on your CV: it's not bragging. If your dates asks about your hobbies, you can say that you've got a lot of things going for you: that's just honesty. In this context, I'm saying I have many positive attributes plus some of the things you're saying women l…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:09 PM
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I'm the first to admit that I've skated through life on good looks, and that aspie behaviors in (attractive) women are excused away as "quirks". Well done, the first step is to acknowledging with your experience you have nothing to contribute. Second step is to considering appropriate adjustments in your behaviour, for example: ​ I think you're frankly ridiculous Not appropriate. However, in the spirit of Purge Week, fuck you too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:05 PM
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when I'm about to see my mom after a long time apart. That is weirdly intuitive of you. I mean, the rest of your post is probably just coincidental but random how you were correct about something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:02 PM
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Doesn't matter that I'm biased to myself, I can still intuitively know stuff. For example, I know that at 6ft I'm taller - maybe not than everyone, but most people. Bias or not, I know various other things about myself just from comparing myself with the world. I know for a fact that what I've got is good stuff and neither you nor anyone else is going to convince me otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:00 PM
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Oh come on, it was all there in the sub-text.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:58 PM
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They can discourage me all they like, I'm not going to change my preferences. And if they dare to judge, I will tell them what I just told you. Besides, what is with the double standard that women get to complain about being judged for being promiscuous but how dare virgin men have sexual desires? Fuck anyone that thinks that. They definitely don't deserve to have a relationship with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:57 PM
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In many ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:53 PM
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I just know I'm good is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:52 PM
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Believe me, I have cake: real deal man right here. You just can't handle the truth I have to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:45 PM
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Well, let's see your earlier post on here if not entirely satire suggests that while you have Asperger's, you are also a very physically attractive woman. Even average looking women can compensate for social difficulties and get boyfriends, flings, etc. in a way that men typically can't. So if you have Asperger's, it definitely does not affect you in the same way it would typically affect a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:41 PM
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Skill is something that comes with experience. Of course if reciprocative men don't get experience from women, they don't develop that skill. So if women are choosing non-effeminate lovers who do not care about reciprocation or sensitivity in sex rather than lovers who do, it's not a surprise that the former acquires experience and skill in the kind of fucking he does while the latter type does not. Which is fine. Just don't lie about it and say that you want reciprocative lovers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:36 PM
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And there wouldn't be much in it for me with the sexual inadequacy of being committed to a woman for my life who has baseline experience that I don't. In fact, I could end up having much, much to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:34 PM
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YOU somehow translated that into “I would like foreplay so will women be interested in sex with me?” I'm just pointing something out to you what should be obvious: other guys tried the "sensitive reciprocative lover" route amongst other things women say they want in a guy. But it's all bullshit and guys are actually better off working on being a masculine man and a selfish lover who is ashamed of giving or receiving pleasure. Women see reciprocative lovers as effeminate and that's why they don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:32 PM
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No, the incels on this sub were not like me or my Good Men, that's a disingenuous remark: INVOLUNTARY CELIBATE (INCEL) If we take this term at face value, it just means a man who wants to get laid, but can't. Some people argue it means a misogynistic man who can't get laid because of the activity of "incels" in their online communities. Some people go as far as to point out rape and paedophilia apology from incels, as well as calls for terrorism and actual acts of terrorism (although very small-…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:29 PM
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Where do you get this information from? Did someone tell you? Do you just assume the world is this way? Observation and experience is the answer to all three of those questions. Oh and plain common sense: people have to open their mouths to start a conversation. ​ No. Strangers can start talking without being introduced. They don't always even say "hi". Typically there is some sort of context that initiates a conversation when there is no introduction: for example two guys sitting at a train sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 06:36 PM
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Same as I, the BirdMan, cannot change Trump's idiotic tariff deals, nor can I change the campus Kangaroo Courts, nor can I change the fraud in the financial system; It's all to big for one man's efforts and at some level I need to get mine, so to speak. Agreed. But we can still talk about that stuff. ​ If you want advice for yourself, you'll get it; plenty of folks here (during purge week even) have opened up to you with constructive feedback for you. And I am grateful. Understand though, althou…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 06:16 PM
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You said for a lot of guys their sex life suffers because they aren't willing to reciprocate in bed. You didn't say anything about what other traits (good or negative) but I pointed out I am a reciprocative guy, not that women would know because they have not slept with me. Then you said that I don't have anything else going for me. Obviously I can't disprove that but I already know it's not true. So from my life experience thus far, everything you've said has been false. There's just no way to …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 06:06 PM
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If you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:47 PM
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The thing is when people have an ability, it becomes subconcious sooner or later Right. So in many ways guys that have not been in a late in life virgins shoes are not actually as qualified as they think they are to advice. In fact, I would probably be the best guy to advice someone who is struggling with the same sort of issues I was 5 years ago (because I am in a position to actually break down those conscious processes). And somebody 5 years older than me who lost his virginity late in life a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:44 PM
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Like I said, guys can be isolated by social barriers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:37 PM
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Like I said, feel free to disagree. You don't know me IRL though. I have good stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:35 PM
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Feel free to disagree but I don't think I am just the egg.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:30 PM
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No a therapist won't help, I am always going to have that complex. And I wouldn't be able to commit to a woman in case she wants commitment for life. Which would be hypocritical if she is not a virgin but expecting me a virgin, to stay pure and faithful for the rest of my life. Which is what I don't get about women who frown on inexperienced men looking for no-strings stuff. It's not like most of them are the virgin Mary themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:28 PM
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People do it all the time. Depends on the context and execution. They normally begin with "hi". They normally know each other or have somehow been introduced to one another before hand. You literally can't escape this. What kind of explanation would help you understand? The first thing that would be acceptable to say. What was ineffective for you? All three things you mentioned (a, b and c).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:24 PM
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Yeah and then they argue that they are just about equality or something. I (thought that I had) came up with the idea of intersectional-humanism as a logical conclusion of intersectionality - a nuanced idea that gender issues can be interconnected with other social barriers relating to class, ethnicity and sexuality - and fully extend that theory so it is inclusive of literally everybody. But apparently the feminists got there before I did, which means the r/PPIHICSRUVAM theory for my ideologica…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:21 PM
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Thanks. Consider posting on GMGV if you have time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:18 PM
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Most people on here did not have to deal with late in life virginity. So they would not understand the nature of the beast I'm dealing with here, or the negative social misconceptions people have about late in life male virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:15 PM
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Yes, I have many positive traits and would go down on women and most of the foreplay stuff like that they like - and enjoy it myself (assuming she was hygienic, tested and not STI ridden). There's stuff I'd like to do for me too but wouldn't push it on anyone. The truth is that we just live in a society where people have irrational fear about male sexuality, people are isolated by technology and clique behaviours that ostracise outsiders.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:13 PM
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I know that feeling brother.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:08 PM
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Well, you left the horsework to me. I didn't know what kind of advice that relates to the OP which you'd seen or written that you were thinking of.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:07 PM
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Because some SRUGMs have to deal with sexual inadequacy of their partner being their first but them not being their partner's first. The only way to find a way out of that is to marry a virgin (not likely and not that appealing to be honest) or to get casual sex (not very likely either but more appealing to have some fun before you settle down).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:06 PM
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You're using the old reddit formatting system. To get links onto text you need to click the button with the two adjoined circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:02 PM
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start the conversation in a "natural" way This still doesn't go anywhere close to answering my question, lmao. If you see a girl at a coffee shop you actually have to go over to her and say something in the first place, even if it's just "hi" before you can get onto the chit chat stage. Nobody just jumps straight into chit chat, how would that even work? You have to establish a connection, common interests and that kind of thing. You have to introduce her - she needs to know what your purpose is…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:53 PM
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My point is, people keep saying to me "the world doesn't owe you shit" and they sound fucking stupid because if they would just have the self-reflective capacity to look around them a bit, they would see that the issues I'm talking about extend beyond my own personal problems. Literally none of what I say is about the world owing me anything. Occasionally, occasionally I ask for advice - specific, detailed concrete advice. But I am not putting a gun at anyone's head and telling them they must gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:48 PM
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Thank you. I urge you to make a post like this on r/GoodMenGoodValues. Especially if you use the advice giving template (underneath Personal Guidance) it will be well received: https://www.reddit.com/r/GoodMenGoodValues/wiki/appendix#wiki_8._acceptable_advice_at_r.2Fgoodmengoodvalues Thank you for the lifting advice. Personally I use Rippetoe's Starting Strength - it has all the big lifts in it like you mentioned. I have tried approaching many women IRL but it has never worked for me. That does …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:44 PM
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Lol now you're trying to use self-deprecation as a rhetorical strategy of persuasion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:35 PM
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I also love the dudes mad they don’t get giga anal but complain about how much they hate kissing/foreplay. What if you were a guy that would do all of those things with his girl (and enjoy them)?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:30 PM
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Ok. Search term: "advice for virgin". Interestingly the vast majority of the first posts is content that come from me but then I've been posting here frequently as of late, so benefit of the doubt. However there is this thread, "more blue pill advice", let's see what useful stuff comes up: ​ Stop reading and just go out ​ be confident and don’t take rejections too seriously. ​ work out, practice good hygiene, live your best life ​ Stop reading dating advice. ​ Alright, I think I get the picture …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:25 PM
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It's a subtitle? The function is to divide sections of text under appropriate headings according to a common theme or sub-theme. Sometimes the purpose is there to add meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:21 PM
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So point me towards it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:19 PM
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Regular fucking conversation. Again, you've got to say something to introduce yourself before you start talking about the weather because otherwise she will just ask you why you're there / what you're doing. You have to open your mouth. Your line actually comes off creepier than natural smalltalk, because it explicitly states something that is already implicit when you start a conversation with a stranger. It's just honesty. I'm not trying to disguise my intent with these lines. If a woman wants…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:18 PM
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I'm making a case that some people might be incentivised to care about certain things now, or in the future as part of the discussion on gender dynamics. It's not supposed to relate to individual PPD users but an argument about general tendencies that are happening in western society while presenting an egalitarian, rather than ultra right-wing traditionalist, solution to those problems. The ideas are supposed to be discussed by their own merits or disadvantages for the sake of interest and inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:15 PM
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Well, maybe some of the women will care if they end up single mothers at 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:10 PM
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People on here give the kind of detailed advice that is listed from the subtitle "Immerse yourself in 3 hobbies you enjoy" onwards? I haven't seen it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:04 PM
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Has this line actually worked for you? I've literally never heard anybody ever use or recommend a better 'line' than that. What is true is that it doesn't have sexually charged content and it doesn't validate her ego with a physical compliment. Nor does it try to be cheesy or clever or funny (like with pick-up lines). ​ just approached her with normal small talk. This requires you to open your mouth first. ​ more likely to creep someone out Any / most kind of approaches women creeps them out now…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:59 PM
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The reasons will become clear (if I don't get banned).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:54 PM
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Tt button.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:51 PM
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If you have the time you should see my posts where I distance myself from RP thought to understand where I'm coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:48 PM
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I don't know what you mean, I have believed being your best self is the right way forward for a long time, just that such advice needs to be expanded upon. This post was written 5 months ago: I originally had posted it on ForeverAlone because users there were saying any advice whatsoever is platitude-y. And then Noonches banned me for some arbitrary reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:45 PM
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They will never embrace anything that involves the words "positivity". If I had been a bit smarter I would have realised that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:42 PM
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I never pay and I can't even remember everyone I've fucked. You don't need to pay. Have you ever slept with someone who (a) you approached and stated attraction in real life (not online), (b) you did not pay for anything, including condoms, but she supplied her own, (c) she was at least the same level of attractiveness as you (roughly speaking). In addition to this did you manage to do a, b and c when you first lost your virginity? Did you ever have to wrestle with being a late in life virgin an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 02:23 PM
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Yet you say Good Men only referring to the unsuccessful ones. (e.g "but Good Men cannot"). False unless you ignore the many many successful good men. Yes it was shorthand for something that's something of a mouthful especially in an already long text: "sexually / romantically unsuccessful good men". ​ You think anti-social men procreating will solve social decline? Anti-social men procreating is what causes social decline. ​ You said if we don't listen to you, incel extremism will grow etc. etc.…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 02:15 PM
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Thing is even the dictionary definition should be rejected since it is a unilateral system of representation that wields the false idea of a marginalised gender as it's justification.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 02:09 PM
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I also explained why I need to write longer texts sometimes. Not every important detail can be boxed in to a tiny little frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 02:07 PM
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Well people should care because the issues of sexual / romantic isolation could mean that intelligent, analytical, good men with other positive traits could struggle and fall behind in dating while anti-social dark triad personality traits could end up being passed on to the next generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 02:06 PM
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If I don't get banned? You might be surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 01:45 PM
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Even worse is when Men pretend they're not trying to validate a Woman sexually, and try to monopolize her attention by blowing up her phone or overly pursuing like she's the last option he has in the entire world. He's basically a bitch. But what if you don't go about things in that way and you still can't get laid? What does that make you then?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 11:08 AM
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I saw a thread on r/humanism one time where the OP asked if being humanist meant you had to be feminist and everyone chimed in with "yes". Meanwhile r/egalitarianism is overrun with MRAs. This is a fight you just can't win if you are anti-feminist and anti-MRA.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 11:03 AM
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Ah shit, guess I'm gonna have to rethink r/PPIHICSRUVAM Or maybe a case could be made that genuine anti-feminist anti-MRA egalitarians could hijack IH? I started r/IntersecHumanism so I'm in control of that sub and would have no moral quandry about doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:43 AM
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This is feminists attempt to control the debate and deploy feminism by another name, given the baggage that the word currently holds. Uh, no because I am the one who coined the term and I don't identify as a feminist. It isn't a conspiracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:22 AM
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What i would give to be a fresh 23 year old boy with a whole world of unknown pleasures waiting for my unspoiled nervous system. Bullshit lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:18 AM
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Pepe
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:17 AM
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His post seems like satire to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:12 AM
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"AppropriatePipe" lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:36 AM
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There are plenty of intelligent aspies with soul, passion and creativity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:35 AM
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I just like the theory of intersectionality. My comment with intersectional-humanism is that the theory can be expanded beyond the confines of feminism, even if it did originate with feminism itself. Also, feminists tend to just say "oh yeah? well I am an humanist as well as a feminist!!!11!!" So that's a battle you can't win. I just have to exclude feminism from the definition within the culture of IH itself (which is not the case with regular humanism or egalitarianism anyway). r/IntersecHuman…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:30 AM
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Do posts get locked after purge week? For example if something is posted at 5.59 pm UTC, 7/10, does the comments on that thread get locked the minute afterwards? u/GridReXX u/SpaceWhiskey u/Young_Oryx u/TheGreasyPole
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:27 AM
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I don't know: autism, ADHD, bipolar and schizotypal conditions can make dating and socialising barriers pretty difficult to overcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:18 AM
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This post explains to me why intersectional-humanism is important as an alternative to men's rights advocacy or feminism: INTERSECTIONAL-HUMANISM (IH) A theory postulated by the sub-creator of GMGV[1], u/SRU_91. IH[2] is a system of representation that opposes all systems of unilateral representation like feminism[3] and men's rights advocacy[4]. IH covers a wide range of issues pertaining to: class sexuality ethnicity culture religion physio/psychological conditions whatever else ​ And rejects …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:35 AM
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They just haven't given me a chance to understand the great meaning which is behind my words.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:25 AM
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Men don't have to pay. Have you even been on a date? Yes, women are less likely to sleep with you and think there is something weird or inhibited about your character if you don't offer and maybe even press a little to pay for the date. What's different about SRUGMs that leads to the isolation? Looks? Social maladaptation? The problem is that we live in a world where people are increasingly isolated due to technology, asocial attitudes, fear of male sexuality, prevalence of traditional gender ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:07 AM
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Or is "Good Men" is some jargon you use to refer to Outsiders and unsuccessful men? By conflating "good" with "unsuccessful", are you implying no sexually successful men are good or virtuous? Those other good men who are dating or married don't count? Only Outsiders have virtue? No one else is good? I am saying there are some Good Men who are unsuccessful, not all of them. ​ So to solve this you want anti-social Isolated Men with no friends to pass on their genes? Anti-social =/= asocial ​ Would…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:58 AM
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That doesn't tell me your story. That just tells me some superficial information about activities you do that I already know about and try to apply myself. For example what kind of lifting regiments? What kind of dietary information? How do you define "confidence"? How would you go about talking to women in a way you would be perceived as a funny, cool, sexy, charismatic and interesting guy without coming across as a creep. This is what useful information is, not "just do xyz bro". If you were a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:53 AM
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Yes it is just how I would like to be perceived.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:48 AM
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Everybody hates incels. MGTOWs are kind of let under the radar and MSTOW is just a silly insult used against MGTOWs but there is an underlying point that it is not always voluntary which could be useful for guys like me. That's because I would rather see myself as MG/STOW because my celibacy is semi-voluntary.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:35 AM
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MSTOWs are understood in the context of MGTOW. Incels are understood in the context of the black pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 11:06 PM
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Yeah but HFAs can have other things going for them in their life. A lot of geniuses were thought to be autistic, for example, Einstein, Andy Warhol, Isaac Newton, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 09:06 PM
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Yes, I agree. Analytical types tend to be overthinkers. Organised types tend to be obsessive. Sensitive types tend to be over-reactive. People with high self-esteem can sometimes be arrogant. The thing is, none of these character flaws are exclusive to autism, it's just a regular thing. But people make a big thing about it and autistic people tend to get treated very poorly by society when in reality, they're just the same as everybody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 08:55 PM
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Nah. You can absorb the relevant content and skim-read, it's not that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 08:52 PM
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Does nobody on PPD know how to skim-read?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 08:50 PM
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I don't think my facial expression is flat or I have a monotone voice. I actually have practised things like vocal projection, posture, open body language and relaxing my facial muscles for a long time. Recently I have even been flexing the muscles in my jaw and chewing gum a lot to look a little more attractive facially. I did volunteering before and to be honest if that did not get me friendzoned, I doubt charity would. Part of the problem to be honest is just my instinctive gut revulsion to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 08:34 PM
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I mean, I already cringe. Just looking at the r/GoodMen banner makes me cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 08:17 PM
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Dude, I don't even look at my post history or accounts I made on other sites anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 08:04 PM
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No, what it does is mean you don't come across as someone that would throw your lot in with rape/paedo apologists and school shooter worshippers, which is never a good idea for general reasons not even related to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 07:59 PM
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Judging by my past I've mainly had male friends and women have been reluctant to even friendzone me. I don't know what it is. Well actually, I believe that in the modern world a lot of women are just fearful of male sexuality so unless you are a lover (and therefore protector), they don't see you as a companion but rather as someone that could always potentially be interested in them for other vested reasons (sexual/romantic) even when you are in fact not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 07:58 PM
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I don't think you have to be a feminist to realise there is a lot of fucked up shit going on in incel communities. A couple of months ago I started an account on incels.me and they said either I was an attention seeking fakecel or ugly as fuck like the rest of them (because average or above average looking guys never have a hard time with women, e.g. due to lack of social skills or other related issues). There was a post about a woman who had been "ripped apart from the vagina" and the descripti…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 07:53 PM
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Meh, I made a post stating my position as a self-identified incel over on IT and although I initially disagreed with them, I listened to what they had to say and eventually came to understand their point of view and realised with time that it was better not to identify as an incel. The problem I have now is convincing PPD users that sexual / romantic isolation is not the same thing as inceldom. This is because of the negative connotations that have come to be associated - like it or not - with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 07:39 PM
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You asked how MSTOW differed from incels and I defined the context of that question in relation to MGTOW (as it needed to be understood to answer your question).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 07:33 PM
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About part 1 you cannot do much. Part 1 is just about discussing the issues which ironically is what we are doing now (fascinating conversation by the way, I wish you would check out GMGV or maybe r/GoodWomenGoodValues if it is more your thing - it's blank right now but there is going to be some interesting stuff happening with GWGV). ​ It costs energy and while some people like to contribute to society in charity groups, most people have enough stress to keep up with their own lives and won't b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 07:32 PM
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Nah I only knew about it because I kept seeing the memes on Braincels and Inceltears. I spent a lot of time lurking in those places before I came to PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 07:18 PM
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I don't doubt there is a massive body of knowledge that I can take from and apply here, it is what drew me to the sub in the first place. What I think though is that there aren't a lot of people who dealt with specific issues related to sexual / romantic isolation like I have and overcame those barriers. In all my posts here so far I have come across literally two men who were still virgins at my age and managed to overcome those issues. One of them had a religious background so he doesn't reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 07:15 PM
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I mean, I don't like her much but this right here is bordering on stalker shit. And if you don't know anything about her husband, why assume the worst?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:56 PM
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Sometimes people just bash things out quickly. They are otherwise aware of what the correct grammar is, just not when they're proofreading all their sentences. And who the hell has the time or energy to proofread every sentence on the internet? Especially a dynamic debate subreddit such as this one? I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:52 PM
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As I see it most of the neurodivergence or whatever can be seen as a condition which means there are pros as well as cons to that way of being: HFA --> analytical personality type OCD --> organised personality type Bipolar --> sensitive personality type Narcissistic --> high self-esteem etc. ​ So everybody is in fact neurodivergent in some way. Weird people are just those who haven't figure out how to turn their weaknesses into strengths. Usually this is because of the way society perceives them…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:39 PM
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it's just prolonged isolation fucking with your social skills. Yes, I believe so.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:33 PM
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https://media.giphy.com/media/vgUFOWBwBkziE/giphy.gif I said intelligent non-autistic people can engage in meta-cognition ... Intelligent people can engage in meta-cognition who aren't autistic. ​
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:28 PM
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Those tests are subject to personal bias. For example if I was feeling self-deprecative I could go through the thing saying I have never had any friends whatsoever, everything I do is repetitive and obsessional (even just walking to the shops) and there is basically everything abnormal about me. If I was feeling less reflective than that I could say go through the thing saying that even people who in actual fact hate me and can't stand being around me are actually my friends, my life is lived fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:25 PM
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But how would the extra 5 be able to declare me autistic if I hadn't seen them personally?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:20 PM
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Thank you for your warm-hearted post / tough love. But I am not trying to change Red Pill theory but instead apply a completely different theory that accepts premises from both Red Pill and non-Red Pill doctrines and merge that with theories on intersectionality and humanism. Applying that to outsiders who have been sexually and romantically isolated is phase two of that. However the baseline theory can be understood and applied (I believe) by "normal people" who don't care about issues pertaini…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:18 PM
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I don't know, I think a lot of mildly eccentric or socially awkward traits get branded as autism ever since Hans Asperger entered the scene. Not everyone is autistic just because they are not plainly normal 100% of the time. I don't believe a 100% neurotypical person exists, we all probably have a bit of something - schizotypal, or BPD, OCD, narcissism, etc. 100% neurotypical people are a myth. Also, for what it's worth, I think HFA is overdiagnosed nowadays and I think it fucks up a lot of peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:11 PM
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Even neurotypical people can find themselves isolated in modern westernised metropolitan culture with an emphasis on competitive individualism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:02 PM
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Social atomization Actually, I am more about institutionalism. Isolation is the result of general trends and the prevalance of certain attitudes that can be attributed to the existence of social institutions like media, technology as well as various socioeconomic circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:02 PM
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I guess you could say that I am an enlightened being.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 04:58 PM
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Can and Want. Well if they can do, then they have the ability to do that when they want to. ​ this OP isn’t a sign of intelligence btw I said intelligent non-autistic people can engage in meta-cognition, I didn't say all meta-cognition was intelligent and non-autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 04:57 PM
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:D
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 04:53 PM
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I want to be clear about something. For the users willing to engage in good faith discussion, I am always willing to provide an explanation before I might submit a link to another text based post or copy/paste something. I'm not an asshole for the sake of it only to the users that are being assholes. you suggested all the older/married members back off so all the young male virgins can take a turn at the mic. But that's not what I meant lol. Make short posts. Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 04:53 PM
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Since it would be impossible for 15 psychologists to declare me autistic if I only went and saw 10, I would be winning that bet :-P
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 04:52 PM
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That quote is autism in a nutshell lol. Autistic people tend to do that stuff without being aware of the impact it has. I am aware of the impact I just don't care about the feelings of someone who's trying to troll me anyway. Like when Atlas asked me to explain what I could possibly contribute to pill theory and I just told her to check out GMD and my post about virgin contributions to pill theory. I did not care about her feelings because she is totally insufferable. ​ - Persistent deficits in …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 02:53 PM
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I don't think there is anything wrong with it, in fact I said myself, I think of it as a condition rather than a disorder. It just seems disingenuous to say I have something for which I haven't been officially diagnosed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 02:48 PM
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Those tests are biased as fuck. I would probably instinctively deny at least a few of the obsessive or repetitive traits I do have. Or some of them I might exaggerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 02:46 PM
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I don't talk essays, I only write them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 02:43 PM
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I've known cool, seemingly normal and social guys with interesting hobbies and passions who later told me they were autistic. And girls too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 02:42 PM
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Intelligent people can engage in meta-cognition who aren't autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 02:40 PM
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your rants Yeah, well I just get fed up of misconceptions people that need to be addressed have on multiple levels for them to understand where they're going wrong. I am socially/psychologically aware of the cognitive impact it might have on them - "fuck, I don't want to read all of this" - but I'd rather set the record straight even if it means being accused of autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 02:39 PM
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MSTOW is just a term people critical of MGTOWs have slung at them. I'm saying that for those of us who have truly been sent our own way we can accept that in same way some black guys call themselves the n-word now. ​ Incels are guys that can't get laid by face value. But as a culture and in the public's eye they have many negative connotations, like calls for terrorism, worshipping school shooters, subscription to lookism theory and rape / padeophilia apology ("blurring of boundaries" and that k…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 02:08 PM
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Yeah I couldn't remember the exact percentage, I just remembered the fact I am in a statistical outlier :(
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 02:04 PM
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http://i.imgur.com/PeCMcoz.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 01:25 PM
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Men, by simply being biologically male will already have had their penises inside their mother's vagina. Not if you were born by caesarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 01:19 PM
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The country even looks like Chad: https://imgur.com/a/RgviFTd
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 01:15 PM
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MSTOW is a derogatory term for MGTOWs, saying that they are incels. I am saying we can embrace the term without being dicks about it like incels and most "MGTOWs" are.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 01:10 PM
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Do dryland exercises regularly things that put weight on the lower body like shins and exercises. Maybe even with weight (e.g. Rippetoe squats and calf raises). That increases bone density. I also do what MMA and Muay Thai fighters do which is to practice the roundhouse kick against a doorframe or something - that builds up bone density (they have to check these kinds of kicks so bone density is crucial otherwise they will crack their shins like Anderson Silva did). Don't overdo any of this imme…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 01:06 PM
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:D
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 01:02 PM
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Analysis paralysis is a real thing. ... it's definitely something you're going to face again and again. Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 01:02 PM
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Is it lying if I know that I am delusional?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 07:11 AM
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Sorry to disappoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 07:00 AM
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Stubbornness & sunken cost fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 06:53 AM
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If you have an injury and happen to want to get back into yoga, I know that ragdoll is an incredibly efficient method for dealing with a lot of low back pain - if you compliment it with cobra. I have dealt with minor chest tear (too many push-ups) and mild sciatica before (deadlifts) and always found very gentle lifting and very gentle yoga can actually improve an injury. You just have to know what the pain threshold is and how to distinguish good from bad pain. I don't run because it's bad for …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 06:53 AM
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Thank you for the inspiration, maybe it will work, who knows? ​ What would be so bad about meeting a girl who has had different experiences from you? Maybe even dating her? My fear is that if we develop a bond it would be difficult not to commit, maybe out of emotional connection (true love) or maybe out of a feeling of guilt. Many women "protect" themselves against hook-up culture, e.g. with the 3 month rule so that makes it ten times harder trying to enter the sexual market place as a non-comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 06:43 AM
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Before the summer, I was engaged in a lot of activities like yoga, mixed martial arts and I weightlift from time to time (not as consistently as I should). I do not mention my main passion so as to protect my anonymity on here but I am doing a postgraduate degree in it. I only just started my second year so I am not driven down with coursework yet which is why I am free to post on Reddit. After Purge Week, I intend to buckle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 06:38 AM
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Most of them lost their virginity at ~17 (16 for guys, I think?). Most of them are not dealing with inadequacy on the same level as I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 06:20 AM
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I don't know what to say. By your definition, I am a fucking coward.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 06:18 AM
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No but she could end up expecting commitment depending on the way things blossom depending on her values, personality and the connection we have.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 06:18 AM
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Yes, it would be me judging me. Ego doesn't want to let go, ego won't. It is emotional, not logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 06:11 AM
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I told you, I have to be the one to approach in real life - feelings of emasculation as a late in life virgin in a culture where I constitute a <1% demograph and everyone else already lost their virginity years ago. It isn't logical, it is 100% emotional. No I don't think that. I just wasn't sure how red pilled or lookist you were. Having said that, regular guys are typically expected to pay for dates, do online dating and that kind of thing. I don't think women really want to be approached as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 06:07 AM
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It's very possible she would not judge me. But I would feel inadequate anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 06:02 AM
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Sexual inadequacy: feelings of emasculation in a culture where most people lose their virginity at 17 and knowledge that I am in a demograph that constitutes <1% of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:59 AM
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I don't know I just feel that it may. Well ok, yeah. I am just trying to be humble by saying that I am not Chad. I had these kinds of conversations with incels before where they would say "but if you were Chad you'd be banging chicks left right and centre" and sometimes even regular PPD users so I just concede that evidently I am not 8/10+ and Cassanova tier seduction skills or whatever it is I get ranked at.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:58 AM
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I don't personally expect to marry a virgin, I just don't want to be one if I am getting married to someone for whom I am not their first.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:54 AM
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I mean that if I feel connected in any way, sexually or romantically it's extremely difficult for me to pursue anything with that woman just for practising my social skills on her and not allowing anything to bloom naturally. Even online it can be difficult but worse still in real life. I had sexual experience before just not intercourse because of erection difficulties. And I saw that girl on a regular basis several times a week for a year (she was in a relationship so nothing else happened). Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:49 AM
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It's not a good idea for me to date women online I feel I have a connection with when I know things aren't going to go anywhere - relationship, FWB, one night stand, whatever. ​ Plenty of people are dating for the purpose of FWB, if that's what you want. My "experience" trying to date is that women are not interested in FWB, or at least not with guys like me who are not quite male model tier or cassanova levels of game.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:39 AM
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Like I said, it isn't a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:31 AM
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Stress is subjective. Rejection, dry-spells, being a virgin at 30, are all very painful things, but they could trigger the same amount of pain/anxiety to another person who's cat died. Sure, in the bigger context of things my problems aren't significant. I'm not putting a shotgun to anyone's head and telling them to read and comment on my posts here. ​ Have you been in love before? I think so, yes. ​ Do you think that every girl who you go on a date with is going to want a relationship with you?…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:27 AM
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Everyone at some point is rejected by someone they are attracted to, so the frustration/sadness/fear is not specific to you, it's universal in dating. There is rejection, then there are dry-spells and then there is being a guy that is almost 30 and still a virgin. There is a difference in scale that we are talking about. ​ Love at first sight is a cop-out and devalues what love genuinely is, which is a compromise. Guess for me butterflies seem more meaningful experience because it is a real grou…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:14 AM
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Mostly guys from my halls at uni, some of them taken, some of them single who liked to do "normie" things like drinking games, occasional trips to the pub and sometimes went to an art gallery when there was free wine. Occasional socialising with the international students.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:07 AM
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I have been on dates from online, I did not ever find it more intimidating than cold approach. I think what your really talking about are "tingles" though. Tingles are scary for different reason, mainly (in my case) because I know that I would feel connected to someone but would not be able to take things further. So actually that's more of a frustration / sadness than fear I guess. Call it fear if you have to, it's not an ego defence mechanism here. ​ A man doesn’t have “feelings” from seeing a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:00 AM
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And I made r/purplepillscience/
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 04:42 AM
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All in a day's work.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 04:30 AM
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I made a post! https://www.reddit.com/r/bluepillscience/comments/9l8pp3/women_have_a_variety_of_tastes_irrationality_of/
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 04:29 AM
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might even mean that in the end one would feature that and then maybe have even more isolated good guys as kids of the other ones. Yeah, I used to think that but then if the men in question can find a way to progress through guidance, introspection and self-improvement maybe there would be hope for their kids as well? Especially if a community began to foster the values of guidance, introspection and self-improvement and more individuals who held these as core principals of who they were began t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 04:06 AM
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Yeah, if other guys slut-shame it makes it more difficult for outsiders who don't do that kind of thing to get laid. If other girls arbitrarily creep-shame or virgin-shame, it makes it more difficult for isolated outsiders to try and approach women respectfully. Basically, OP unwittingly (or wittingly?) elaborates on how certain social barriers are effected that makes it difficult for my introspective, self-aware outsider man to fit in with unethical norms: because he doesn't like or appreciate …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 03:59 AM
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It's like if you're trying to learn French and I come along and say you need to learn Latin first. Yes, it is. And learning Latin is not particularly going to help my French either, other than understanding that certain words have the same Romantic origin. In my case it would be understanding that certain interpersonal skills have the same social mindset but I have acquired this knowledge through my interactions with people through the years anyway. Or perhaps it would be that networking is a us…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 03:53 AM
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Historical role models? What like famous people or world leaders that we would consider confident and charismatic? Like Martin Luther King?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 12:20 AM
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You have to figure out what traits reflect the man you want to be, and cultivate them, and then be confident in that choice. See, this at least means something concrete to me. A lot more than just "be confident".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 12:14 AM
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We could also simply discuss these issues (GMD) more in the mainstream media as well as social barriers. That would go some way to raise awareness and change the way people think about how their behaviours could potentially have an isolating impact on some others. It might not make a huge difference but it could make a small one. That is part 1 of the tri-fold solution. Part 2 is about systems of gender representation that are opposed to unilateral ones like feminism and MRA. Part 3 is about how…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 12:12 AM
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Hybris makes humans think that they could decide. Hybris is the disease of our time. Hubris? ​ I hope you understand that at this point I don't have time and energy for that. Ok. My point was just that I do not have any authoritarian strategies for reforming society. It is just changes within the infrastructure that we already have which I recommend. ​ Many things are just too complex in order to mold them verbally into one form that fits all. Yeah, so it's quite possible that when people say se…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 11:32 PM
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Do you understand that you actually expect that people adjust to the way you want help or support or criticism to be delivered? Actually, typically I don't ask strangers who don't know me to give advice. I just seek to discuss the GMD topics listed at the bottom of the thread but because this always lends itself to unsolicited advice I have often tended to politely reject this kind of advice. However people say this makes me non-self-reflective or something. So I decided that ok, I will accept a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 11:17 PM
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I don't identify as incel or use incel terminology such as "Chads and normies" nor do I think that attractive people are necessarily unintelligent. I actually consider myself to have attractive qualities and I don't believe this impacts on my level of intelligence. In fact I have heard that attractive people are likely to be more attractive on average. How much truth is in that I am not aware. However, "just be confident" is undoubtedly shallow advice that worked for nobody ever. Imagine if a co…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 10:55 PM
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No, people just need to give more concrete, specific advice - if they genuinely want to help. If their concern is only superficial, they shouldn't bother in the first place. Just leave the guy alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 10:50 PM
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I don't think any of that's true. To use a tennis analogy, if it is my turn to serve I do so and then you can either serve back or I leave the ball in your court. This is how I am in real life: neither aggressive nor passive, just assertive. And I do go outside but I am very analytical, it doesn't matter what I do, I will always think a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 10:49 PM
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When “get confident” is much deeper and has to do with getting at your true inner self and your soul. It's precisely because "just be confident" is much deeper than what it sounds like at face value is what makes the face value advice worthless for analytical men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 10:35 PM
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So wait, when I make a post here saying "well I have certain attractive qualities, but I can't get a girlfriend" the overwhelming response is You are not attractive otherwise you would not be single ​ But when we are talking about "incels" impersonally, it's "oh yeah, those guys are all waay more attractive than they think". Hypocrisy much?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 10:31 PM
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Because online dating takes the anxiety out of the equation which makes it like a cop-out. Men are supposed to be bold, they are supposed to take risks. Would you have rejected cold approaches in the days before online dating? How were guys supposed to meet women back then? If you meet somebody in life your head over heels for then you have to approach them to talk to them in the first place. If you're that passionate about someone are you supposed to just not even try because social conventions…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 10:27 PM
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Well with the more recent ones typically I tried to do it through some sort of social networking rather than just approaching women that I saw in a public place. Because I thought this would be more organic but it did not make an incredible difference to my dating success or feel especially easier than approaching women in a public place but people like to make out it is the more "natural" / "socially appropriate" thing to do. Realistically, trying to meet and attract women as a man is typically…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 10:10 PM
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I'm not an "incel".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 09:55 PM
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Recent approaches did not go anywhere same with the vast majority of approaches in the journal although I have been on at least two more dates since I wrote the journal. I have actually suspended my online dating profile to reduce the risk of meeting women that I talked to online first so that I know that any approach I make will be authentic and real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 09:52 PM
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I know what you're trying to imply. That I am just making excuses and I set my standards too high. If you want to say this or silently believe so, be my guest. I don't have anything to say to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 09:45 PM
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I can see why you would recommend crossfit and I have always been tempted by it because of the way it combines endurance, cardiovascular and strength aspects that I have always been into. However it is also a very dangerous sport. It uses olympic lifts in a way that is combined with cardio repetitively and actually the pure opposite of how Olympic lifts were originally intended to be performed (low repetitions - one to three max, each and every one performed very carefully overseen by an experie…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 09:41 PM
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If you're going to say something is all in someone's head, you need to express that sentiment clearly because typically "it's all in your head" means it's a problem that can be simply overcome through will power. Issues of mental health or illness are something else entirely. In this thread, what you really meant was that "inceldom can largely be attributed to conditions of mental health or illness". I still have things to say about that - like the fact we live in a culture where people are incr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 08:31 PM
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If issues associated with romantic or sexual isolation are for the most part psychological, that implies it's an imaginary barrier that can be easily overcome by "just doing xyz" (to the extent that it is just psychological).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 08:16 PM
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Yes, that too. I will get on it after Purge Week. Promise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 07:51 PM
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Not true. See my conversation with u/DelicateDevelopment to understand where I am coming from: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9l3bv6/how_advice_should_be_given_to_outsidersanalytical/e73w1ap
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 07:50 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjVkXlxsO8Q
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 07:49 PM
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Ok, I read through to the end. Thank you. ​ one the one hand you seek advice, while at the same time you don't want criticism to your thoughts. I would say that what is more true is that I want people to understand my thoughts before they try and criticise them. ​ a) there is noone in the world who can tell you how you can get out of your situation. I think that people who are knowledgeable can at least try to apply the template provided under the personal counselling section, that is if they tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 07:48 PM
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how many times can a man turn his head And pretending that he just doesn't see? The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind The answer is blowin' in the wind
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 07:15 PM
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You have no respect for the time it takes people to pour their heart and soul into something. If you don't have the time to read something long, how about you just move along next time?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 06:57 PM
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You are a terrible person.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 06:53 PM
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Here's a nice little gem I found recently: ​ http://i.imgur.com/spXau15.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 06:49 PM
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All explained in the GMD section and my post about how virgin perspectives are relevant to pill theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 06:45 PM
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There's nothing wrong with my attitude. I went through a lot of changes because of my isolation. So yeah, I became a little jaded and also cynical of virgin men at my age that try to make out like it's "no biggie". You of all people should know what that's like, just be honest with yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoqOm_EVR_g
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 06:44 PM
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Right. Well I am in good shape and I have lots of things going for me. So I am in a better position to look to society. If you feel that is not the case for you then fine (you either workout or accept the way things are), but don't project onto me: don't be an Uncle Tom of the Sexually / Romantically Unsuccessful.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 06:25 PM
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Agreed. The rest of the time the sub has a lot of censorship that actually ends up restricting a lot of quality content.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 06:19 PM
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Not everyone is content to just accept the fact they have failed miserably at something which was important to them. You said yourself that you feel dead inside. Cut out the pretenses and join me in my struggle to face this problem head on: to understand what is going wrong and why it is we have not been sexually successful with women. My goal is to fight against the social barriers in a dating game that is totally rigged against men and try to win against the odds. If you don't feel passionate …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 06:16 PM
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They need to care, believe me. There will be a lot more problems with incel extremism in years to come and we will have to deal with far-right cries for systematic monogamy (of any kind) as well as social decline when asocial men can pass on their genes but Good Men cannot. Literally I am the only person that I have ever encountered with a healthy perspective or solution to these problems. If people don't listen to me their will be a lot of social problems and actually they will affect others wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 06:04 PM
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I gotta ask man There is an expression, "incel tom". It refers to virgin men outside of the incel community who suppress negative emotions in a way that is unhealthy in order to seem tolerant and politically correct. I personally don't identify as "incel" because of the negative connotations with that term. However, I also have sympathy with the need to refer to virgin men who have severely restricted a healthy range of expression and go on to marginalise real issues that other men experience wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 06:00 PM
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https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/346/COOLSTORY.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:49 PM
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I have my reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:40 PM
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If this sub ever bans me, they will never truly come to understand a perspective on isolation that is 100% relevant to pill theory and 100% different from incels. It wouldn't be a good idea for the culture here whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:39 PM
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I don't discuss with people who don't make an effort to relate to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:37 PM
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You don't know anything about me. I have unattractive things about me, sure everyone does. But for the most part I'm bringing to the table what I ask for return in standards from women. I'm doing effort approaching (not recently but I have approached loads in the past). I keep in shape, I look after my appearance, I have a good sense of style, interesting hobbies, cool personality. If I don't get laid it's because of the way things are. The problem's not with me because I've got things going for…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:17 PM
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I don't hit up chicks on Tinder and OkC then complain when they reject me, call them bitches and say "but I'm such a nice guy why won't you fuck me?". If you can't distinguish between my community that is about Good Men who struggle with dating and what people typically mean by Nice Guys then you're fucking stupid. Also, looking for a relationship is not the same as being fucking married. I'll worry about LTR game when I end up in one. My primary concern is to either get laid or land a relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:01 PM
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Being a single man sucks ass. ​ If you don't approach women ----> you've got no fucking pair of balls. If you approach women and get rejected ----> you're a weirdo creep loser and potentially a rapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 04:56 PM
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Yeah, read half my sentences and then reply. That's really going to help you understand where I'm coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 04:43 PM
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Seneca, Marcus Aurelius, Thich Nhat Hanh Nice little book collection. ​ "Its all about her" You could also try simply not dating narcissists.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 04:32 PM
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I already know that I would have a "take no bullshit" attitude if I had a girlfriend but women generally don't want to take a test run of my product so they wouldn't know. And they don't have to, I'm just saying that if they got to know me, they'd probably like what I'm selling.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 04:30 PM
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No More Mr. Nice Guy by Robert A Glover Does not apply to me for various reasons mentioned in my threads. Glover's book is also typically applied to married betabuxes, which is again not relevant to me. Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink Jocko Willink is totally irrelevant to me. Not because he's an unrelatable character - I watched his TED talk and he seems like an extremely strong character and good man (in a real sense). The problem is his alphaness is on a totally unreachable level for 99% o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 04:26 PM
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If I had a brain like the holy, radical u/fschmidt overlord I would join ISIS.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 12:14 PM
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No, no, no. You've got the wrong idea: I'm a Good ManTM.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 06:33 AM
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Define "troll".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 06:14 AM
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My essays are merely meditations and ponderings upon my own inner workings. They communicate pure self-awareness and lack of Ego in the quintessential spiritualist fashion of Nirvana. What you see from me is only self-enlightened bliss and humility.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 06:08 AM
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That's way too easy, I like the hunt. A slow insidious process of psychological indoctrination is my preferred method.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:49 AM
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Why? I think I have surely demonstrated my capacity to be humble, self-respective and listen to other people's point of views on multiple topics many times. Just because I don't always agree with people doesn't mean I have a big ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:46 AM
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"If people don't agree with me, they must be morons."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:40 AM
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I would test his devotion to the cause by asking him to lick my shoes. If he concedes I shall know for sure that you are in wedlock with an almighty Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:35 AM
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Lol it doesn't even take 10 minutes to create a new sub. More like 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:34 AM
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If I saw your "Chad" in a bar all I would need to do is question his knowledge of Ron Hubbard and I would know that his ignorance on the subject was a blessing in disguise from the almighty Church of Scientology.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:29 AM
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He's no true Tom Cruise and therefore not a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:25 AM
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Does he worship the cult of scientology?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:24 AM
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This is not the true pink pill. This is the pink pill: r/Trufemcels ​ Stacy GTFO feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:12 AM
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How do we know it was really a Chad you fucked and not a 5'3 balding Indian janitor? ​ Pics or GTFO.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:10 AM
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People on other communities were asking for something more succinct on GM theory. I copied and pasted what I had wrote to PPD because I see it as relevant to pill theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 04:08 AM
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You know it is not mandatory reading to post / contribute?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 04:02 AM
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Incels who believe this, I don't get why they don't just pay for hookers. After all if it's emotional / physical intimacy they truly want then they aren't going to get that from government issued girlfriends who did not choose to be with them so what's the fucking point? I mean I get incels who don't want to pay for hookers, I just don't get incels who don't want to pay for hookers but they also want government forced monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 03:57 AM
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Just don't even give her the validation. Posts like these merely serve to stroke her ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 03:42 AM
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I'd rather be the guy that did not amputate his own dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 03:33 AM
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Probably this will all happen to men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 03:22 AM
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They are telling you to read Models and burn JP at the stake.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 11:17 PM
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I'll have you know I'm one of Ramsay's 20. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J18BUtJbzuc
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 11:12 PM
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Relax, they are just purple-pilled intersectional humanist ideologically centrist figments of your imagination. They have come to bring you ideological purity of mind. Get a beer or something. Watch tv. Go to r/PPIHICSRUVAM. Relax, rinse and repeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 11:05 PM
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snakes have started to physically manifest in my house Are they purple?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 11:00 PM
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If it's TFM's, he's probably already got faeces all over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 09:58 PM
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They never had the balls to make fun of Islam though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 09:12 PM
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What makes your waifu more special than the waifu I already have?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 09:10 PM
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I explained what virgins could have to contribute to pill theory in a thread I made (and distinguished guys who can't get laid from incels in others): https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9jbioi/how_pill_theory_applies_from_virgin_perspectives/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 09:08 PM
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I don't know what you mean: that is the entire structure of the GMGV Primer. It needs improving sure. But give it time. Sometimes being succinct is a lot of work. I have never overestimated the difficulty of keeping things short and simple. Instead what I have questioned is whether it is always possible to always get things neat and tidy like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 09:03 PM
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They don't have shit on the Simpsons.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 09:00 PM
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M'Lady https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4b/The_Mask_%28film%29_poster.jpg/220px-The_Mask_%28film%29_poster.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 08:59 PM
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No I agree with you. Death to those who support human rights!!!!111!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 08:57 PM
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Shariah would end modern culture. I support Islam death to the infidels!!!!!!111!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 08:52 PM
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As a male feminist ally Stop trying to fucking mansplain shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 08:50 PM
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What's my prize? Do I get a waifu?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 08:49 PM
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Modern culture is pure evil, so the logical thing for good men to do is to work for the extermination of modern culture is for shariah law. Bring the fucking burqas to town and let's stone all the infidels, false muslims and adulterers to death my brothers. ​
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 08:48 PM
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I blame toxic masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 08:46 PM
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How do I at least turn this into a porno script? Some porn sites let you direct your own movies. You would just need to submit your description and they would proceed to find an actor who looks like Donald Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 08:44 PM
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Meh. When purge week is over maybe. Assuming I don't get banned by the mods.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 08:41 PM
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I have never ejaculated inside of my wife. In fact, I have never had an orgasm since being married, and that includes our wedding night. I have had sex with and been inside my wife many times. But I have never been permitted to ejaculate. What happens is, I am released from my chastity container three times per week to be brought to the edge, squirming, sweating n’ begging, and then I am submerged in ice to bring me back down to size, and then I am locked back up. Sounds juicy. You should try mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 08:38 PM
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I'm glad you liked them. Here is another one: https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aepogvb_700b.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 08:35 PM
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Means.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 08:28 PM
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I actually applied a lot of your suggestions after our conversations. The individual sections themselves are considerably shorter, the pargraphs shorter and the sentences shorter. In particular, sections A and B as well as the glossary look pretty classy (I have yet to apply the changes made to those sections to the rest of the Primer). After our conversations, I also wrote section zero which is the guide to the Primer (for easy accessibility). Obviously I have not completely reduced the whole t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 07:51 PM
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She has read very little if any of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 07:37 PM
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Well read into me what you want but if we are talking about this post in particular it's about a direction an entire generation could potentially move in but won't because people aren't using the full capacity of knowledge. And yes things would be different for guys like me specifically if that was the case. But obviously it's not about me, personally. So that's why you see me talk about social perspectives as believe it or not, I am actually trying to think outside of the box here. Sure it's a …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 07:34 PM
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Google is free. Anything one would want to learn about, one could find. Technology is great for many things but can also distance the learner from the authentic source. Because of technology people are more likely to work on their biceps and get a lame personal instructor that teaches half-squats or whatever than go to a strength coach who's familiar with Rippetoe and learn how to really lift. Because of technology people are more likely to follow some gimmicky "get rich fast" plan than really e…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 07:14 PM
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most people do them every day If most people knew how to lift there wouldn't be an obesity epidemic. If most people were financially prudent, we wouldn't be suffering from stagnating economies. If most people were career oriented and understood how capital works there wouldn't be anything like the gap there is in society between the richest 10% and the rest of us. The fact is most people do not understand how to do these things. That's the whole problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 06:24 PM
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Ok I admit it. I am a conspiracy co-performed by PPD-Angel and William_Howe.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 06:07 PM
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Parents don't always teach these things: the vast majority in fact do not. If western society didn't believe that we have a duty to people who are left behind by their parents their would not be an education system to begin with because the default consensus would be that "it's not our problem". Clearly that's not the underlying premise built around how social democracies function. There is no mention of “game” aka charisma, high energy, dominance, frame, being exciting to women. A lot of these …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 06:00 PM
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I said "pressured monogamy" to provide a fair comparison to whatever misconceptions people have about "enforced monogamy". I was not implying Peterson believes the government should force people to marry so clearly I understand the terms better than you give me credit for. You should read the relevant sections in the GMGV Primer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 05:56 PM
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Why does this shit always come back to me having to pay to fix problems created by women and their shitty choices It would be a considerably cheaper education system and also work out cheaper in the long run than the one we (western countries) have now.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 09:38 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmvSgvy7a34
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 09:04 AM
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Where's your Shrew flair, bitch?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 09:03 AM
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YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED https://www.reddit.com/r/GoodMenGoodValues/wiki/section-d#wiki_3._so_what_if_some_men_can.27t_get_find_intimate_relations.3F_they_aren.27t_entitled._besides.2C_isn.27t_that_their_problem.3F
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 09:00 AM
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Only the strange mods that fuck with my flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 01:52 AM
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How many posts or link drops can you do without constituting spam (as per Reddit content-policy).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 01:33 AM
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Excuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 01:12 AM
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Some moderator you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 01:10 AM
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This tells me absolutely fuck all, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 01:04 AM
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K u/TheGreasyPole u/Young_Oryx
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 01:01 AM
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Technically site wide policy prohibits me from spamming (?) so that means you're all safe, I think (??). u/GridReXX u/SpaceWhiskey
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 12:50 AM
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That's SRUGM to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 12:11 AM
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Go and fry whatever it is in batter, I don't care you unhealthy fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 11:28 PM
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What do you think about positive masculinity (redirect to Stony Brook University)?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 11:26 PM
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Do you think he can give cunnilingus with his forehead?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 11:22 PM
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Make one as well. Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 11:21 PM
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Lol https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9kkjri/haters_gon_hate/ ​ MISTER SRU Please, just call me Shrew.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 11:00 PM
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We all lack horseshit in our own ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 10:58 PM
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A new experience, a new sun on a new horizon on a new beach, a Thai ladyboy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 10:53 PM
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It's my equivocally galliformes fanboy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 10:52 PM
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Preach it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 10:47 PM
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There is nothing to discuss. And also, Eng-uh-land is the ORIGINAL Anglocentric culture, mother fuckers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 10:44 PM
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Keep calm and drink tea.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 10:32 PM
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Mmmm that has a good sound but terrible lyrics until the verse. If you thought Disclosure had a different sound it was probably cause you heard Latch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93ASUImTedo
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 10:24 PM
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All these assholes risk crashing their car just so they can use their fucking phones on reddit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkk2H3Ztrfk
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 10:16 PM
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Yer
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 10:12 PM
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What? Like this? there are conversations Good Men (GMs)[1] want to have about: the fact that there are so many GMs falling behind in the dating world now and what can be done about it what does it mean if there is a crisis among males who are depressed and not getting what they want from their sexual/romantic lives? depression has been widely linked to a lack of productivity and other problems what the problems are in this sort of society, and what it means for future generations if we cannot pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 10:05 PM
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Your references are getting too abstract.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 10:02 PM
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Nope. White man devil as sin. Everyone on the plane did.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 10:00 PM
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That’s always sort of the icarus moment. Don't say that. Next thing you know the Big Brother Computer overlords will be creating cookie replicas of humans that live forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:58 PM
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Last time I passed through Yankland to get to Canada, I had to fill in an extensive form detailing ways in which I am not a terrorist.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:51 PM
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I like my rock and pop but I had to turn that indie shit off to get back to my elektronika playlist. I'm playing Disclosure's White Noise right now. I could listen to that song all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:49 PM
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Anglo Scotch What's that? An English man who drank too much whiskey? I'll go for it!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:48 PM
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What is that? A cannabis smoking device for British fucktards like me?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:42 PM
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The song took me to Mr. Brightside :-D ​ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGdGFtwCNBE
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:41 PM
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In England, this is what we mean by a great big huge fag http://chrisgaldi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/fat.png
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:39 PM
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Her name is Noel I have a dream about her She rings my bell I got gym class in half an hour Oh how she rocks In Keds and tube socks But she doesn't know who I am And she doesn't give a damn about me 'CAUSE I'M JUST A TEENAGE DIRT BAG, BABY YEAH I'M JUST A TEENAGE DIRT BAG, BABY LISTEN TO IRON MAIDEN, BABY, WITH ME, OOH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC3y9llDXuM
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:36 PM
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Shee doesn't know what she's miiiiissiiing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC3y9llDXuM
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:33 PM
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That's Mr Personality to you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEsNHlkEkXk
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:30 PM
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What's that? I'm more handsome, more intelligent, sexier and better at things than I originally thought? Well tell me something I don't already know, Sherlock!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:29 PM
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Ugh. For you, not for me: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Spam_can.png/220px-Spam_can.png
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:25 PM
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Oh shit, the principle that I am actually more handsome, more intelligent, sexier and better at things than I initially thought. Thanks for reminding me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:24 PM
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But to be confidently approached and asked out by an ugly man is a huge insult to femoids. Lmao that this is your motivation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:20 PM
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If I'm the AI here, how come I'm better at this than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:19 PM
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This conversation got moralising all of a sudden ... boring. Where's your repertoire of purge week insults, clown?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:16 PM
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So can I troll on old threads before purge week started or does this rule only apply for threads started after purge week commenced?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:15 PM
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Romantic success isn't even something I have my eyes set on right now anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:14 PM
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Nah I'd be batman come to kick your ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:08 PM
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Like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyepdtx_UI4
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:03 PM
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[Verse 1] I'm jealous, I'm overzealous When I'm down, I get real down When I'm high, I don't come down I get angry, baby, believe me I could love you just like that And I could leave you just this fast [Pre-Chorus] But you don't judge me' Cause if you did, baby, I would judge you too No, you don't judge me' Cause if you did, baby, I would judge you too ​ [Chorus] 'Cause I got issues But you got 'em too So give 'em all to me And I'll give mine to you Bask in the glory Of all our problems' Cause w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 08:48 PM
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Normally I would upvote such a comment. But in the spirit of purge week, I have downvoted: you're welcome, fuck you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 08:38 PM
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When I hear someone talk about high status like Brad pitt or George Clooney, it's simply because they are the target of predators. Yes, they are sexually desirable. But these men had so many other things going for them that can be viewed as positive (you don't like the terms "high status" so ok, we will leave that). And arguably, all these other great things they had going for them is what made these men sexually desirable as well as being great men in their own right (women's preferences aside)…
/r/MGTOW201/10/18 07:38 PM
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Confidence, abs, status symbols, charisma. These are attributes you have to work on. Money, ok you have to earn that. But the money you have to pay a hooker is comparatively little anyway and I mean, some guys can get that off their parents. If you are attractive to a woman that is typically hard to game because you are confident, good looking, charismatic, muscular and well-off (because you have earned it) but you do not have to pay her for sex, then you are effectively an incredibly high statu…
/r/MGTOW201/10/18 06:56 PM
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If your conversation is about romantic success, men who dont mind their wives to cheat, are the ones who are succeeding now in marriage. So, do you want to "succeed"? Sex is the immediate goal. Romantic success is the long-term goal only if I get sex. MG/STOW is my path for if I don't get sex. Self-improvement is my current focus.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 06:49 PM
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When like you for what you can do for them, the tingles you can give them, which they have next to no control over. This is what I want, to give women tingles. I think if you can forgive me for seeing sex as an "achievement" for one second but if it was ever an achievement then you could say that there was more to be achieved from having developed the ability to give women tingles without needing money than having required money to do so. ​ If you aren't born chad then you have to spend all the …
/r/MGTOW201/10/18 06:31 PM
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The fact that one guy might be hotter than another, but the other is more fun, social, and interesting, and Woman A might prefer guy #1 and Woman B might prefer guy #2 is irrelevant. A better looking, more successful, smarter, more social, more interesting guy has a better shot at -both- women. I agree with all this. Just that if in those two guys own rating systems the women are equally attractive and they both end with a woman each, it's pointless to talk about one being alpha and another beta…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 06:17 PM
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First, I don't know what MG/STOW stands for. Sorry, I should have mentioned this. It has been edited into the post now: MSTOW is "men sent their own way", MG/STOW refer to guys that are somewhere "in between MGTOW and MSTOW. Usually MSTOW is used in a derogatory sense about MGTOWs but I am making the case to take ownership of the term, rather than think of it as a "bad thing". ​ The idea of "MG/STOW" is something I came up with myself because I don't see myself fitting into just one of the categ…
/r/MGTOW201/10/18 06:02 PM
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Older women are probably the most difficult to impress out of all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 05:39 PM
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incels should stick to other loser guy incels if they feel it's so unfair that they're being "denied" sex ​ He doesn't because the world doesn't owe him anything, including him losing his virginity. The world doesn't care if OP never lose his cherry. ​ You really don't understand the point of any of my posts. The point is that sexually / romantically isolated guys can't discuss their dating issues in a productive manner without being called incels, entitled, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 05:38 PM
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If the outsider is sexually / romantically unsuccessful what then? Everyone else is saying that the outsider is omega. Some outsiders might voluntarily abstain (like MGTOWs) but not all of them. Relevant reading: my thoughts on MG/STOW: https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW2/comments/9kienm/an_argument_for_mgstow/
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 05:29 PM
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Leave pieces of paper with #MGTOW inscribed under windshield wipers. Even that is annoying as fuck. It's like when Christians do it, doesn't make me want to join their religion.
/r/MGTOW201/10/18 05:01 PM
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I explained this to unabummer: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9k8z2l/a_perspective_on_male_psychology_and_mating/e6xput2
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 04:20 PM
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Have you considered that your age might be the issue? In my experience mid-20s can be a rough time for guys. If my age was the issue I wouldn't be in like <1% of people who remain a virgin past a certain point. ​ Social life is dwindling. Girls are in between their party days and settling down so don't make much sense. Which means things are only gong to get worse as women will be looking for someone to betabux. ​ try and get into an LTR if possible (I know you say you have values but I'd say st…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 08:30 AM
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I've talked about this on other threads on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:38 AM
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I don't know when that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:34 AM
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Well if you do that at least make it about my traits: whether a guy that is 6ft caucasian, in good shape with above average facial features and cool interests / hobbies that has approached many women (over 1,000) that doesn't want to buy drinks for girls or provide anything of monetary value doesn't get laid and he wants the masculine/authentic experience of approaching in real life (rather than dating girls online) and has to be the one to approach/state attraction and date a girl in his league…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:32 AM
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I wasn't trying to impress them, just playing the game. Also this was quite a few years ago. I tend to drink much more socially and appropriately since then and also currently. Anyway, you're the one who asked if women were there to witness me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:28 AM
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I have done everything I could to be the best, most attractive version of myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:25 AM
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u/SpaceWhiskey told me I can't make anymore virgin threads.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:15 AM
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Yes, to be honest they looked more revolted than impressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:14 AM
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I said that I have other things to offer, not just being a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:13 AM
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And although it is not the kind of provision women are looking for, in many ways I have paid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:11 AM
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If you want to read I can link it to you. I won't give anymore explanation of it here though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:09 AM
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The harsh truth is that guys with genuinely positive and attractive traits could still find themselves alone in this world.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:06 AM
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No, read the relevant section. You will see it is not about that at all. And the advice for the most part is not meant to come from inexperienced men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:05 AM
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I fucking love drinking. I am half-way through my second can of San Miguel as we speak. When I was at uni I drunk more than any of my other friends. As a fresher I downed a pint that was like half shorts and only half coke. Other people were saying it was more like 4/5ths shorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 11:53 PM
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Well I thought this post was just about why it was a bad idea to apply alpha-beta to guys, even non-virgins, so when I was writing this it only seemed to have very marginal relation to the main subject. The only person who made an on-topic comments were vdau: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9k8z2l/a_perspective_on_male_psychology_and_mating/e6xn9qa ​ And woyspawn; https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9k8z2l/a_perspective_on_male_psychology_and_mating/e6xj9z4 And …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 11:47 PM
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As an example, look through this thread to see how people over-react to simple non-offensive things I say and yet are extremely provoking on an emotional level for some reason. For example, I said I was upset I had not had the same sexual / romantic experiences as most people and you immediately conflated that with entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 11:32 PM
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I don't conflate "outsider" with "omega".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 11:19 PM
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It certainly had nothing to do with me going out with my friends, running a weekly game night, participating in group activities, or going out several days and nights a week when single for the express purpose of meeting girls. No sir! I have done most of those things and more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 11:18 PM
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I only mention it because people would say I'm being dishonest otherwise and trying to make out like I am speaking from a place of experience. That's the only reason I mention it. ​ You’ve stated multiple times that you disagree with TRP Well most of my disagreement is that it doesn't work for isolated or over-analytical types as well as they make out it does. I only have subsidiary disagreement in terms of political correctness issues because I think the misogyny - while it is there - is blown …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 11:16 PM
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Basically it's detailed advice without RP bullshit. ​ Anything on the nitty gritty of actually interacting with women though? There is a reason the advice sections are mostly geared towards directing advice givers. It's so that people more experienced than me can chime in, hence directing the body of knowledge that is useful for "outsiders" (virgins and isolated/inexperienced men). They can do this in accordance with the guidelines set which is specifically designed to set people towards useful …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 11:08 PM
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I'm just commenting to correct you per request submitted by authentic human SRU_91 Error detected. Authentic human SRU_91 made no such request to you beachredwhine human. Please stay on topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 11:03 PM
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Outsiders like me make people feel uncomfortable because our existence presents harsh truths about their realities that they aren't prepared to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 11:02 PM
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The Primer I wrote is mainly aimed towards the "outsider" category. However I suppose the same things could be useful for providers also. The basic stuff is here, it's not everything though: learning how to lift with correct form and compound lifts (squats, deadlifts, etc.) learning good fashion learning how to cook, change tires, drive a car, know basic DIY learning how to be financially prudent learning how to be career oriented (i.e. have direction for the future) - and potential support with…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 10:59 PM
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The meaning is clear if you don't disingenuinely try to project the worst possible misinterpretation you could have about me onto my posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 10:55 PM
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So as a virgin how can I phrase my posts in a way that is pertaining within the spirit/design of the community, only mentioning my personal experience in so far as it is relevant to the pill theory I'm trying to discuss? I'm not trying to be a dick here, I genuinely just want to discuss my ideas without coming across like an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 10:53 PM
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beta is supposed to shame them into developing traits Not everyone responds well to negative reinforcement. Or positive punishment. Whatever it is. In fact I would wager that most people are better motivated by positive psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 10:49 PM
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I mean, it's not even twisting language just referring to the direct meaning of words used.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 10:46 PM
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People that I have spoken to on PPD privately And you are not one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 10:42 PM
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Upset =/= owed
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 10:34 PM
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I am just trying to emphasise the purpose of the post because people keep saying it is incel content (automod and elsewhere) and I am not sure how to respond to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 10:32 PM
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I think more in terms of the experiences I could have had during my 20s rather than fetishising teenagers. However it's not really incelish to vent your frustrations. What is incel-ish is the extreme opinions that come as additional baggage with their opinions. In any case, the function of this post is not to complain, I am just responding to user's points that are related to my personal experience. I would prefer for the discussion to stay on topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 10:30 PM
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Luck is a real thing. Sometimes it's just about being in the right place at the right time. If you know the right people, you end up with the opportunities you need. Since most of my life people have decided to socially ostracise me, things unsurprisingly haven't worked that way for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 10:25 PM
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I am not a provider: I refuse to provide anything of monetary value to women. I fit into the outsider category.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 10:25 PM
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You are owed nothing in life In none of my posts have I said I was.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 10:23 PM
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If he has other attractive qualities his "niceness" is mostly irrelevant: he is attractive for whatever else he has. Virtue could have some marginal value (as a bonus to his other attractive features or sometimes as a minimum requirement only) for high quality women who you disparagingly refer to as NAWALT unicorns. That's about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 10:20 PM
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I thought you had blocked me or something? This comment you responded to shouldn't even be visible to you, nor the post itself. And I put in effort to (a) self-improve and (b) meet and attract women. More than the vast majority of people did, actually. Clearly dating is just not something that happens for me. The universe did not intend that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 10:14 PM
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Well then you need to continue on to try and understand so we have enough common ground for you to dispute a point at the margin. From my perspective I understood it perfectly. If you want to discuss this matter further you need to demonstrate to me what it was I was supposed to have misunderstood about your post: I'm not psychic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 10:06 PM
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I already read and responded to your nice guy with an edge post and you dismissed my criticisms with "well you didn't understand what I mean".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 09:56 PM
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Sure. But first what utility does telling someone they're beta have for their dating success. You want me to tell you about how the alternative is a better received. But I want to know first why it is so helpful to shame guys and essentially tell them that they are emasculated.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 09:46 PM
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It's not a woe-is-me or advice flair post: this topic is about the perceived utility of male hierarchical categorisation in dating. Anything else is off-topic. But to respond to your point, no I am not upset about having everything I want in life. I am upset about not having the same baseline experiences of physical and emotional intimacy that most people got when they were like 17.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 09:44 PM
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There are multiple dating sections in my Primer that advise advice-givers, give some indirect advice as well as some large scale social solutions. But I am not allowed to link it here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 09:41 PM
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You realise that being a provider is not inherently feminine or validation seeking. You realise you don't have to change your dating strategy if it matches your system of values because some Red Pill guy said all that stuff was "beta" and "beta bucks, alpha fucks".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 09:28 PM
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You can disagree with me as you like. Just don't take the conversation off topic because then I get in trouble for going against the post-flair (which is discussion about the topics not advice). If you want to give me advice, it is unsolicited but I am nonetheless open to private message. Or advice on a relevant topic where I have explicitly sought out advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 09:26 PM
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PUA / RP "theory" PUA has always been a scam industry. Old RP was not dating advice directed at guys with psychological abnormalities but it was for a community of players, traditionalists, bodybuilders and as I understand it, some lookists. ​ It's just there to explain social dynamics to spergs that can't figure them out on their own. And a stronger grounding in sociology or behavioural psychology might have helped them (TRP) to do that better. But they opted for the pseudo-science route instea…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 09:24 PM
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People that I have spoken to on PPD privately may choose to read this comment and correct you, since they know that I have made lots of efforts to break out of my comfort zone. The fact is dating success is just not meant for guys like me because of the way I see society as an outsider. Trying to apply your advice just makes the emotional pain you talk about worse when I realise that I am not cut out to interact with people in a normal functional way like everyone else. But all of that is beside…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 09:10 PM
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See my response to Pope Lucious, a few comments above yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 09:05 PM
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why do you think your ideas about sex, relationships, the sexual marketplace, gender relations, etc have any value, except possibly as an example of what not to do I covered this in the thread about "How Pill Theory Applies from Virgin Perspectives". I summarised that virgins could still contribute to pill theory, mainly on issues pertaining to gender dynamics: "A big reason for pill theory was to discuss politics, specifically gender politics about the question of feminism" "From my perspective…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 08:51 PM
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This isn't an advice seeking thread or incel "woe-is-me" content. I'm here to discuss the meta of pill theory-based gender dynamics. In this case it's about the Greek letter male hierarchy. Try to stay on-topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 07:53 PM
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If by some stroke of miracle I lost the v-card tomorrow, I would still be the dude that was a virgin until he was 26. That's why it hardly matters anymore. When I hit 30 if I'm still a virgin, it's hookers ---> MG/STOW
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 07:51 PM
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It was my old PUA journal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 07:47 PM
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No, it's about a new way of thinking in terms of "positive identity" for men. This benefits pretty much everyone except right-wing alphas and men at the very bottom of the hierarchy who don't want to change. But they were referred to as omegas before anyway so they have nothing to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 07:45 PM
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It hardly matters what I try to do to get my dick wet anymore: I'm a 26 year old virgin. Women sent me packing with my tail between my legs already. All I can do is write about my experiences with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 07:43 PM
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Why not make a post about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 07:36 PM
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Why not make a post about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 07:35 PM
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I wasn't ever officially diagnosed though some observations suggested I could have more general language or social type disorders. It's a complicated situation and always left somewhat vague. If you knew me in real life you probably would not suspect there was something out of the ordinary about me, at least not from first impressions alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 07:33 PM
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You're right. If the alpha-beta chart smells like shit to begin with maybe I shouldn't be trying to rationalise it. Maybe Blue Pill have the right idea on this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 07:29 PM
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Several users on here have seen my journal documenting interactions with literally hundreds of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 07:20 PM
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Didn't you read my post? I'm an outsider. Hard for me not to be outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 07:10 PM
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PART 2/2 Most of the macho red pill type advice I experienced in real life, e.g. from my PUA wings when I was daygaming. If someone comes along now and tells me I'm being a little bitch, they prove my point. In context of this discussion, most of the good stuff on TRP, I see it as being more a blend of the two pills and therefore "purple pill" advice.
/r/TheRedPill30/09/18 07:08 PM
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PART 1/2 Somebody said this to me recently and gave some tenets that he defined as Red Pill but I really just see as a blend of the two pills. This was the conversation we had: ​ Conversations will vary, but holding a successful conversation comes down to a couple things: This is actually a good list. I want to go through some points and show why it's nothing like Red Pill advice because through our posts you keep telling me that Red Pill is good for isolated men and overthinkers too. In fact yo…
/r/TheRedPill30/09/18 07:06 PM
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I don't ignore it. I have dedicated a lot of time to self-improvement in the past. If you really want to help you should check out the advice sections in my Primer - especially the advice giving template - and get back. Your kind of feedback is precisely what I'm looking for in my community. It's the only way to build up a framework of dating theory for isolated men and virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 03:07 PM
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I didn't say there's anything wrong with the sex workers as people themselves. My problem is that I would be considered so undesirable that I have to pay to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 10:08 PM
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Sexual prowess is the measure of a man's character?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 09:50 PM
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If I have to resort to paying for sex, that's it I'm done. I don't say this because I think women will give a shit by the way. It's not a revenge. It's just me out of the picture. And I kinda look forwards to that day when I know for sure where I stand with dating: if I have been successful or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 09:46 PM
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Yeah but a truly disenfranchised man will not commit if he is a virgin unless she is one too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 09:05 PM
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MG/STOW are composed of different types of men with varying rationales for their abstinence, pickiness or failure to be successful on the dating market whatsoever. It's more complicated than to just assume they are all worthless, low drive betas: you don't necessarily understand the nature of the beast here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 08:59 PM
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For me personally, I do not want women to pursue me. I have become emasculated from my experiences of being isolated as a 26 year old virgin. And potentially disenfranchised as well as I will maybe end up MG/STOW if I become a 30 year old virgin (because then I will have to sleep with a hooker and I will not want to be with women anymore). For me this means the only way to redeem lost masculinity is by being the one to approach. I realise that not every man is the same as me. However disenfranch…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 08:57 PM
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If a demograph becomes significant, it can't be ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 08:47 PM
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Women (or men) can no more consciously choose to find instinctively unattractive people attractive than they can consciously choose to enjoy getting hit in the face. That wasn't what I meant. It was about how they adapt their mating strategy for disenfranchised men they find attractive. ​ Either you like being hit in the face or you don't. You can't decide that although you find it unpleasant to actually enjoy it next time. Have you done much sparring? ​ So sexual strategy itself, the knowledge,…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 08:24 PM
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If more men become MG/STOW, they will demand means tested benefits from the government. Which means women will only have enough to support their child and with each subsequent child they get less. It is a PPIHIC (purple pilled intersectional-humanist ideologically centrist) alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 07:38 PM
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Then they won't have a dedicated, positive father figure for their individual offspring as all of his resources will be divided.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 07:31 PM
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No, I'm talking about MG/STOWs who refuse to be simps. How are women going to adapt their dating strategy if there is a significant rise in MG/STOWs?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 07:29 PM
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From the context of this post alone (not talking about the longer ones, which I stopped making) why do you come to that conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 07:10 PM
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Conversations will vary, but holding a successful conversation comes down to a couple things: This is actually a good list. I want to go through some points and show why it's nothing like Red Pill advice because through our posts you keep telling me that Red Pill is good for isolated men and overthinkers too. In fact you think that TRP is designed for us. So let's see if your conversation advice is good and if it is compatible with Red Pill: ​ being attuned to her signals It's quite often that I…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 08:14 AM
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Then your perspective is relevant to me. But more detailed advice than "just life, dress well and approach women" would be welcome. You were (presumably) stuck in a rut. If you're anything like me you'd have gone through some dark emotions. How did you overcome personal barriers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 09:37 PM
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Then they're not incels. I didn't say they were. I was referring to the fact incels are not the only ones who are black pilled or who lurk in those communities. ​ Get some books on Social Intelligence and Emotional Intelligence and read up, in detail. Those skills will help you a lot. (I'm not assuming this because of negative stereotypes on SRUGMs, but because of your own personal struggles making friends and talking to women). What I would like to know about specifically, is holding a conversa…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 08:47 PM
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Ok. In that case, people like you may need to hear the detailed version in advance rather than be told "man up" on the spot. But that doesn't mean the philosophy behind it is wrong. It just needs different presentation. And that's why I keep saying RP is not useful for a very specific kind of guy. I'm not saying it doesn't work for no guy ever. Because it worked for most of them. SRUGMs don't give enough context for their own personal situation, so it's unclear what the problem is and what would…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 08:22 PM
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Then you've misinterpreted the meaning. Well, people do tend to misinterpret that sort of thing. Human psychology has to be accounted for. It's the same phenomena as when you tell someone to "just relax" and it causes them to lose composure when they try to apply the advice incorrectly. Do you really believe that can't help many people? What I'm saying is that overthinkers are more likely to be too literal in their interpretation. But the RP narrative doesn't lump ALL men who struggle with women…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 08:06 PM
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