"7% of College Men Admit to Attempting Rape, Most of Them Multiple Times" claims Alternet

2014-01-24T04:29:07+00:00

Heather Mac Donald - The Campus Rape Myth

Rape consultant David Lisak faced a similar problem this November: an auditorium of Rutgers students who kept treating women as moral agents. He might have sensed the trouble ahead when in response to a photo array of what Lisak calls “undetected rapists,” a girl asked: “Why are there only white men? Am I blind?” It went downhill from there. Lisak did his best to send a tremor of fear through the audience with the news that “rape happens with terrifying frequency. I’m not talking of someone who comes onto campus but students, Rutgers students, who prowl for victims in bars, parties, wherever alcohol is being consumed.” He then played a dramatized interview with a student “rapist” at a fraternity that had deliberately set aside a room for raping girls during parties, according to Lisak. The students weren’t buying it. “I don’t understand why these parties don’t become infamous among girls,” wondered one. Another asked: “Are you saying that the frat brothers decided that this room would be used for committing sexual assault, or was it just: ‘Maybe I’ll get lucky, and if I do, I’ll go there’?” And then someone asked the most dangerous question of all: “Shouldn’t the victim have had a little bit of education beforehand? We all know the dangers of parties. The victim had miscalculations on her part; alcohol can lead to things.”

In a column this November in the University of Virginia’s student newspaper, third-year student Katelyn Kiley gave the real scoop on frat parties: They’re filled with boys hoping to have sex. She did not call these boys “rapists.” She did not demonize their sex drive. She merely offered some practical wisdom to the “scantily clad” freshman girls trooping off to Virginia’s fraternity row: “That frat boy really is just trying to get into your pants.” Most disturbingly, she advised the girls to exercise sexual control: “So dance with that good-looking guy. If he offers, you can even go up to his room to get a mixed drink. . . . Flirt. But it’s probably a good idea to keep your clothes on, and at the end of the night, to go home to your own bed. Interestingly enough, that’s how you get them to keep asking you back.”

You can read thousands of pages of rape crisis center hysteria without coming across such bracing common sense. Amazingly, Kiley hasn’t received any of the millions of dollars that feminists in the federal government have showered on campuses to prevent what they call rape.

rusty_chipmunk · 2014-01-23T23:45:54+00:00

1 in 5

I thought it was 1 in 4, or wait was it 1 in 6 or 10 in 2, gosh I sure can't seem to figure it out with all these different places reporting different stats.

I'd like to know how they came up with that 7% stat, cause if it's anything like usual when it comes to this stuff it's just questions being asked that the person asking the question makes their own interpretation up of what constitutes rape/sexual assault. And many questions would skew the stats especially when talking about college kids, like asking "have you ever sex with a girl that was drunk?". Well if you answer that "yes" then you have just admitted rape or attempted rape according to them, but it doesn't ask if the guy was drunk or how drunk they both were.

Whisper · 2014-01-24T06:21:28+00:00

Ooooh, a self-report study!

Well, that just wraps everything up, doesn't it?

2014-01-24T06:45:29+00:00

Someone asked me once why I hated statistics, as I had expressed a serious doubt for a works cited page's credibility. I told them I don't hate statistics; I hate groups that misuse statistics. Real stats are incapable of lying, but when you add people...

buddythebear · 2014-01-24T07:40:13+00:00

wow, this statistic is derived from a study published 12 years ago that is based off of self-reported data from college students. Not to mention that it provides this amazing bit of insight in the discussion section:

[...] the data presented here carry implications for the investigation and criminal justice response to those rapes that are reported and that fall into the category of "difficult to prosecute," cases in which there are no physical injuries, and where the accused can claim that the victim consented to the sexual encounter. Given the statistical likelihood that a rapist has committed previous rapes and other acts of violence, a thorough investigation of the accused's social networks might well uncover additional crimes. By questioning acquaintances of the accused who frequent the same bars, parties, fraternities, and other social venues, investigators may uncover previous victims of the accused.

So basically, if you are accused of rape and there is no evidence to prove your guilt, everyone in your social network should be interrogated because you might have raped someone else in the past, and if so, more people should be interrogated because you might have raped someone else in the past, and if so, more people should be interrogated because you might have raped someone else in the past, and if so...

AusNat111 · 2014-01-24T04:19:00+00:00

Who the fuck would admit that they attempted rape? Shouldnt the authorities be alerted?

Poetasters · 2014-01-24T04:22:54+00:00

http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/jhamlin/3925/4925HomeComputer/Rape%20myths/Police.pdf

This study looks at police skepticism to rape charges that has been pervasive in the last half century or so. Notice that the bias is also skewed to men: "women and small boys are most likely to lie"

propagating hysteria about false rape claims leads to less claims being treated fairly by law enforcement

tallwheel · 2014-01-24T01:38:14+00:00

That's because they've been taught that just about everything is rape.

He starts making out with his GF to get her in the mood, she says she doesn't want to have sex so he stops short of removing her clothes. OMG, he tried to rape her!

c0mputar · 2014-01-24T14:31:28+00:00

The whole report is garbage.

As for the 7%, the majority were intoxication related, which allows for the distinct possibility that we would see similar perpetration rates from college women. After all, guys are getting just as drunk, if not drunker, than girls. Of course no women were interviewed, can't have that now can we?

I can say that rates are likely to be similar because of the rare studies that do ask both genders the tough questions, we do find similarities. Most studies deliberately ignore male victims and female perpetrators, or redefine words in order to cover up inconvenient facts that challenge the feminist worldview.

veyron1001 · 2014-01-24T05:13:59+00:00

Rape: When she suddenly realizes a man shes having sex with is not cute.

aksuVOIMAMIES · 2014-01-24T01:31:51+00:00

100% of feminist statistics are total lies/exaggerations/half truths.

Nomenimion · 2014-01-23T23:41:55+00:00

Bullshit. Do they think we're stupid?

osbe · 2014-01-24T03:09:30+00:00

If a girl is drunk then she can't consent to sex and the sex would be rape.

Therefore, if you've attempted to have sex with a drunk girl, but you stopped, because she said no, then you've attempted rape.

I'm pretty sure the 7% figure is way too low... it's probably more like 70% if you go to anything that might be considered a party school.

saint2e · 2014-01-24T15:48:08+00:00

I contributed to the comments:

If this stat is true, then there is a shocking epidemic of women not coming forward to report their rapes:

US College/University enrollment: 17,487,475 (Statistic Brain)

Women comprise 57.4% of enrollment, or 10,037,811 Men comprise 42.6% of enrollment, or 7,449,664

In 2010, the FBI reported 485 Rapes/Attempted Rapes on campus. (FBI report)

If 7% of College men are rapists, that makes 521,476 rapists on campuses across the US.

Assuming all the above statistics are correct, and the rapists are only raping one person over the course of an average 4 year college course, that means:

There are 130,369 rapes/attempted rapes per year in colleges, or 357 a day
Since there are 4,140 public/private colleges/universities in the US, there are ~32 rapes/attempted rapes a year at each college/university on average.
Only 1 in 269 rapes/attempted rapes are actually reported to the police

Now, if 93% of them are "admit" to multiple rapes, let's assume multiple is "2" for a low end figure:

There are 242,486 rapes/attempted rapes per year in colleges, or 664 a day
Since there are 4,140 public/private colleges/universities in the US, there are ~59 rapes/attempted rapes a year at each college/university on average.
Only 1 in 500 rapes/attempted rapes are actually reported to the police

Does this statistic pass the smell test to anyone out there?

Sources:

Statistic Brain - College enrollments FBI “Crime in the US” 2010 report on Rape/Attempted Rape in College

Title	"7% of College Men Admit to Attempting Rape, Most of Them Multiple Times" claims Alternet
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Date	January 23, 2014 11:34 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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