Experts Say Moms Like Tonya Thomas Who Kill Their Kids Are Often Driven by Love. "It's a murder out of love rather than a murder out of hate," he said of how the killer mom might be thinking about what's happening. "It becomes an extended suicide." Ought to have posted on WTF

johnmarkley · 2012-05-16T21:29:09+00:00

Typically these women are described as "good moms," and see their children as an extension of themselves, Meyer said. So when they decided to kill themselves, they fear who will take care of their children after they are gone or see death as a better option than leaving them without a mother.

"It's not vindictive. It's 'I can't leave this life leaving parts of me behind,' " she said.

Today I learned that murdering innocent people because you see them as mere appendages of yourself instead of actual human beings whose lives have value in their own right is an expression of love if you have a vagina.

typhonblue · 2012-05-16T23:15:25+00:00

Good moms don't see their children as 'extensions of themselves.' They see them as autonomous beings.

omega21xx · 2012-05-16T22:26:18+00:00

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ftothem · 2012-05-16T22:27:56+00:00

"Mom" specific explanations for murder always rankle me...

nlakes · 2012-05-17T00:27:06+00:00

And suicide bombers are nice people, whose terrorist attacks are cries of the oppressed. They do it out of love for their families to bring awareness to their noble cause....

2012-05-17T00:37:51+00:00

A 'man' stole the loving mother's children from her by stabbing them multiple times and then killing himself. That cowardly monster!

A loving mother saved her children by stabbing them multiple times through love and took her own life in their best interest. I wish my mother was like that...

Whisper · 2012-05-17T00:59:09+00:00

And yet men who kill their families and then themselves are described by these same sorts of "professionals" as "family annihilators", narcissistic individuals who are unable to perceive their families are unique people rather than extensions of themselves.

Yes, it's intended as an extended suicide in both cases. But when a woman does it, everyone's talking about love. When a man does it, they call it narcissism.

2012-05-16T21:42:31+00:00

Typically these women are described as "good moms," and see their children as an extension of themselves, Meyer said. So when they decided to kill themselves, they fear who will take care of their children after they are gone or see death as a better option than leaving them without a mother.

"It's not vindictive. It's 'I can't leave this life leaving parts of me behind,' " she said.

Yeah they literally think they own their children and greatly exaggerate the importance of them being in their lives in a narcissistic way.

Here's a man's thoughts on children. Look it speaks of freedom. These women are like selfish and cruel slave masters. It's sick!

fondueguy · 2012-05-16T23:50:21+00:00

Mothers who murder their kids are less likely to kill themselves than fathers who kill their kids. Either case is the complete opposite of love but it's mothers who more often try to "get rid of the problem".

2012-05-17T04:20:53+00:00

Irresponsible Mothers

mikesteane · 2012-05-17T09:53:29+00:00

When ever "experts say..." you can be sure you're in for a four course meal of BS.

TerriChris · 2012-05-16T22:41:05+00:00

When I hear its "complex" what is often nonsense. The theory that mothers kill as an act of love is not an exception.

DoctorStorm · 2012-05-16T22:49:13+00:00

I'm not defending this woman, nor am I defending women who kill their children, but do understand that infanticide and filicide are real things.

Explaining her behavior as radical, yet understandable, maternal filicide is akin to murdering a room full of people then claiming temporary insanity.

The issue here is powerful, so look past the woman who killed her children, and understand how people are using unfalsifiable afflictions to their advantage.

At the end of the day, we can't just up and murder ourselves some children. While understanding these psychoses is important, allowing people to shift the consequences of their actions onto their psychoses cannot be allowed.

She can sit down and write out a million reasons why her fragile psyche and terrible life led her to kill those children. Then the quacks can come in and give her a shiny new definition. Maybe they'll determine she merely "loved them to death."

It doesn't matter, though. Whatever they call it is utterly irrelevant.

She murdered her children. Put her away for life.

Mantonization · 2012-05-17T11:05:55+00:00

It's the same reasoning behind men who kill their family and then themselves because they lost their job. They can't see how they could live without them.

It's called Narcissistic Annihilation.

omega21xx · 2012-05-17T20:44:22+00:00

There is no such thing as moms that don't love their kids, it had to be out of love! /s

Schlibwak · 2012-05-16T22:15:06+00:00

Though it is in no way a forgivable behavior, if studies shows such a behavior it might explain many mom killings problems. This shoud lbe considered with attention in both a psychological way and a future effort towards mother suffering this. and in no way should such an announcement be a place to see mysoginy by the way.

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