BBC Question Time debate on gender equality.

The_Patriarchy · 2012-03-15T14:30:24+00:00

Quick synopsis:

So you have a lady explaining dispassionately that women are underrepresented because qualified women aren't lining up to be politicians. She lists the high cost of childcare as being a large reason. Fleshed out, she could have made a case for it, but she was stopped by the moderator. Total time: 1:02 (first interrupted 0:38 in)

The almost entirely female audience was unresponsive.

Then you have a guy who dispassionately says he rejected quotas, and that the real problem seems to be the initial selection committees favoring men, not the voters. Total time: 0:54

The audience was unresponsive.

Then you have the one lady passionately stating that it's not a matter of qualified women not lining up to be politicians, and she points to her party having more women candidates as proof of this...and casually mentions that they used quotas. Total time: 1:00

The audience clapped loudly.

Then some guy submissively mentions that we live in a patriarchal society (as if it's a fact), said he supports quotas, and ended by saying "men are babies, and women are far stronger creatures". Total time: 0:18

The audience clapped loudly.

Finally, you have a guy dispassionately saying it comes down to women raising children...seems to agree with the "patriarchy" bullshit, then says you won't get equality until men and women are both equally raising children. He was also stopped by the moderator before finishing his point. Total time: 0:37

The audience then seemed to clap, but the video cut out.

Basically, you have:

reasonable position, presented calmly...interrupted by moderator...no audience support.
reasonable position, presented calmly...allowed to uninterrupted...no audience support.
clearly flawed position, presented emotionally...allowed to go on uninterrupted...audience support.
conspiracy theory and hate-speech supporting the clearly flawed position, presented submissively...allowed to go on uninterrupted...audience support.
reasonable position which accepts the conspiracy theory, presented calmly...interrupted by the moderator...audience support.

From this, we can conclude that the audience favors flawed positions presented emotionally, conspiracy theories, and hate speech...and that the moderator seems prone to interrupting anyone who provides an explanation other than sexism.

FreddyDeus · 2012-03-15T12:52:18+00:00

Could someone please give Will Young a slap.

rawdog10 · 2012-03-15T13:16:23+00:00

What I don't understand is why they think only women have children. CEOs who are men have children too and you don't see them dropping out of the work force to "raise their kids". If men had the option that women have to work part time in order to spend time with their children I think they would and not cry about getting paid less to do less work. It is also suspicious that they are not worried about the gender gap in dangers jobs like mining and farming.

A_User · 2012-03-15T17:33:11+00:00

"Men are babies and women are far stronger creatures"

Speak for yourself, Will Young.

Boot-licking tosser.

2012-03-15T16:23:52+00:00

"Men are babies (fucking 3rd grader insult right there) and women are far stronger creatures" *Applause from the audience.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2012-03-15T18:39:22+00:00

Men are babies, women are far stronger creatures.

Well by the logic that the weaker one should get special treatment, let's have gender quotas for men! Affirmative action in education and employment for men!

Wait, no fuck that. Gender quotas are stupid either way. Damnit I hate forums where appeals to emotion are given more credibility than appeals to facts.

dermanus · 2012-03-15T13:44:41+00:00

Well, my thinking 3 out of 5 people are reasonable is not bad. I like 1 and 2, thought #3 was a bit too knee-jerk and reactionary. #4 was just a boot-licking loser. #5 was ok, but didn't really make a strong point.

One thing I did notice, is that after #4 makes his little ingratiating remark, a few women applaud but almost no men do.

Scott2508 · 2012-03-15T16:38:10+00:00

I almost threw my coffee mug through the screen when that pillock will young spewed that shit , credit to the daily mail writer though she actually quoted some real stats about the wage gap , first time i have heard the fact that women in their 20s earn more than men mentioned on tv.

DarthOvious · 2012-03-15T15:31:50+00:00

One thing that wasn't mentioned and I thought should be was the nature of the Job of a MP. Nobody mentioned that being an MP involves travelling away from home (in the case you live north of London) and thus staying in London for five days away from your home constituency. It then involves travelling back home at the weekends, which also requires the MP to attend his weekly surgery.

You see, a lot of women wouldn't want to do this. They wouldn't want to spend countless days away from their family, especially since society views them as nurterers. When you add on that it is normally women who gain custody of children, more likely to work part time, less likely to work overtime and a large part of that is due to child care arrangements then its no wonder that a lot of women just don't want to do it.

They can talk about the cost of child care all they want in this instance, but you can't leave your child in a day care centre 24 hrs a day for 5 days a week.

Title	BBC Question Time debate on gender equality.
Author	FreddyDeus
Upvotes	17
Comments	28
Date	March 15, 2012 12:51 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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