There's so much wrong with this article, I can't pick just one...

TracyMorganFreeman · 2012-02-24T20:35:01+00:00

But boys who are raised in nonviolent environments that foster empathy don't grow up to fuse sex with violence or become rapists

Except boys raised in fatherless homes are more likely to be rapists. Whether those homes are violent or not, it's certainly not on men enforcing those perceptions in those homes.

Men have a special responsibility to provide models of manhood that are fully human, and to raise children in families and societies with equality and without sexualised violence.

We have a specialized responsibility? Perhaps fathers should by default get child custody then.

eskachig · 2012-02-25T02:19:49+00:00

I mostly agree with those conclusions - but they are fairly narrow in scope. I'm not sure if the sort of rapes that she's talking about - gang situations and wartime, can be clearly related to the "usual" cases (ie: acquaintance rape).

And in gangs and wartime situation, there is a twisted version of machismo and masculinity that acts as a driver or a vehicle for all sorts of terrible shit. I can't deny it, and I've seen it before in some criminals myself. I don't think the average man shares in that sort of masculinity - many traditional values get inverted. Hurting the weak becomes something good and praiseworthy.

Much of prison rape is driven by this sort of culture too.

To me this is a case of a seriously shitty attention grabbing headline. The article doesn't support it, really. Saying "the cult of masculinity" makes it sound like she's talking about the traditional view of masculinity - when it's really talking about "a false image of manhood", as it puts in the tagline.

What she's describing is exists and is terrible, but it doesn't necessarily extrapolate well to peacetime civilian society.

misseff · 2012-02-24T20:28:43+00:00

Soldiers sometimes express regret and say they wouldn't have raped without group pressure, as some said after carrying out atrocities in Bosnia

What else are they going to say? "I did it because I'm a rapist" or "Blame society, it wasn't me!" I was listening to a Radiolab the other day and they had audio of a Nazi war criminal on trial who said, "It wasn't my affair, I was just doing what I was ordered." This only goes so far, and mostly it's a bullshit copout. Studies have actually shown the influence of other people pressuring you to do morally repugnant things is not as strong as supposedly common knowledge implies. The idea that otherwise normal men can somehow turn into sinister rapists in certain group settings borders on ridiculous. You put 99% of men in that situation and it'll go something like this:

"Oh, you're not going to rape her? You're not a man then."

"Fuck you, I'm not going to rape her."

memymineown · 2012-02-24T20:01:17+00:00

Screenshot please.

C0CKPUNCHER · 2012-02-24T20:08:55+00:00

Exhibit A in the left hate men argument.

Snooves · 2012-02-25T14:21:36+00:00

It was written by Gloria Steinem, what do you expect?

Title	There's so much wrong with this article, I can't pick just one...
Author	sonja_newcombe
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Comments	13
Date	February 24, 2012 7:54 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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