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Why Don’t Women Vote For Feminist Parties?

mhandanna

January 5, 2021
78 upvotes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
https://quillette.com/2019/05/31/why-dont-women-vote-for-feminist-parties/
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Title Why Don’t Women Vote For Feminist Parties?
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mhandanna

Upvotes 78
Comments 32
Date January 5, 2021 8:41 AM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/kqub1q/why_dont_women_vote_for_feminist_parties/
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5114 upvotes
December 5, 2020
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'Boys underperform in schools because we look after their wellbeing less' - we split boys and girls up in schools talks.... we tell the girls about self confidence, STEM, body image... we tell the boys not to be sexist misogynist rapists

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December 11, 2020
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Feminsit Kindergarten teacher finds Legos are good for cognitive development in young children and so BANS boys from playing with them in order to "close the gender gap" - also OECD study shows teachers mark girls higher for identical work

3288 upvotes
January 7, 2021
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Teachers mark girls higher for IDENTICAL work to boys (OECD study). Furthermore, a boy will receive 1/3 higher grade in reading tests if the techer does not know he is a boy (OECD) From kday 1 of early yers education they also grade boys lower despite them objectively getting higher test scores

3250 upvotes
December 12, 2020
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This is a great counter arguement everytime someone here posts men kill etc. I am suprsised I never thought about it! The number of women who save mens lives at risk to their own lives (e,g, firefghters, moutain rescue, milatry, every day hero) is almost negligble compared to men

3204 upvotes
May 30, 2020
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"Prostate cancer now kills more people than breast cancer, UK figures reveal" - A common feminist lie is that men dont die of prostate cancer and die of other things, hence one of reasons its funded less... this is false... more men actually die of the disease than breast cancer

2864 upvotes
January 9, 2021
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"Since 1980, there has been a 71% increase in the number of boys who say they don’t like school...for the first time in U.S. history, boys are getting less education than their fathers." - Extreme anti male bias in schools and feminist teachers adding up

2777 upvotes
January 15, 2021
/r/MensRights

For every 1 woman in Wales, £3.44 is spent by the government on womens groups. For every 1 man, £0.04 is spent. Remind me again which gender lives shorter, has worse health, more likely to be a victim of crime, worse educational outcomes, homeless, incarcerated, suicide, victim of hate crime, etc?

2579 upvotes
October 5, 2020
/r/MensRights

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[–]AskingToFeminists 66 points67 points68 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, the answer is obvious : they already have feminist parties in power, so... Why bother with a smaller one?

[–]SamaelET 28 points29 points30 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Every parties are gynocentric. It doesn't really matter to whom they vote.

[–]Ok-Letter2753 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can you prove gynocentrism is real? I have heard this words thrown away quite a lot. Please, show me both that prove and those counter studies so I can have least bias information.

[–]mhandanna[S] 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Thought this would be interesting article to discuss in a left space. Its based on the UK. So the UK has 70 million people. It has a conservative government, although like many countries its complicated. Its debatable how conservative the government really are and how left the left opposition even is.... the UK has two main parties - conservatives (right) and labour (left) there is the Scottish National Party and the only real other small party is Liberal Democrats. Everyone else is just either has no seats in parliament, so irrelevant or has 1 seat.

UKIP were a party that was one issue really - to leave the EU. They had extraordinary success in terms of forcing the political parties to take notice, and of course the UK did leave EU.... after this though it is basically a non party, with no real impact.

There is also a WEP women and equality party. The article discusses them.... it never really took off, and I dont ever see it doing so.

To get an idea of their bile, and for a laugh, see here (below is her leader):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpBolQcQ8iU

[–]Lovecraftian_Daddy 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The reason is that modern feminism is intersectional.

You can't be feminism without supporting worker's rights, because women are workers.

You can't be feminism without supporting the racial minorities, because women come in every color.

You can't be feminism without supporting the religious minorities, because women belong to every faith.

And if you're going to build a coalition that wide, you might as well work with an existing party, preferably the party that workers and minorities are already voting for.

[–]mhandanna[S] 13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Intersectional feminism is the worst form of feminism and the most dangerous. It is also the most white, middle class rich one using POC etc as props to appear less white feminsim

https://quillette.com/2013/10/20/lifestyle-feminism-because-youre-worth-it/

These intersections are also designed to further alienate and ensure no single group forms and challenges feminism as the main social justice movement.

[–]OkLetterhead10left-wing male advocate 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why don’t women vote for feminist parties ? what do you mean ? they already do, both Labour & Conservatives are feminist parties.

[–]Egalitarianwhistle 19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

Obama was a self-proclaimed feminist President I voted for twice. However, it bit me in the ass with the title IX stuff. Perhaps made with the best of intentions it had many unintended consequences that feminists really don't want to acknowledge, and by refusing to acknowledge a problem, they exacerbate it.

[–]kanray86 19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

in america there are no parties that actually advocate for male issues in good faith. republicans will pay lip service, but the actual actions are very few. everyone is interested in pandering to women voters, even trump (albeit unsuccessfully)

[–]Oncefa2left-wing male advocate 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

A lot of women actually really liked him. He lost the minority women's vote but still won the white women's vote.

If I had to guess, I'd say that every president elected during the last few decades carried the women's vote as a key part of their victory. The women's vote is larger than the men's vote, after all.

[–]kanray86 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

he won the men's vote by 8 and lost the women's vote by 16. worth noting that exit polls this year weren't very accurate, but most likely they actually overestimate trump support among key demographics. this was the biggest gender gap in an election we have ever seen

[–]Oncefa2left-wing male advocate 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I meant in 2016 when he was elected.

But yeah with that kind of gender gap it's no wonder he lost the election.

[–]magus678 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

worth noting that exit polls this year weren't very accurate, but most likely they actually overestimate trump support among key demographics

What is this based on?

[–]kanray86 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/dont-believe-anything-the-2020-exit-polls-tell-you/

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/

[–]magus678 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Your second link is from 2018 and suggests the polling is to be trusted.

The resulting sample of verified voters mirrored the election results very closely. After the validation was done and the sample was limited to those for whom a turnout record could be located, 48% reported voting for Hillary Clinton and 45% for Donald Trump; by comparison the official national vote tally was 48% for Clinton, 46% for Trump.

The first is an hour long interview with an editor who is (at least according to the synopsis) not even saying that preliminary results are wrong, just that they are difficult. If there's some point in that interview that is of special relevance to the 2020 results being inaccurate, please cite it.

This sounds more like simply not liking the results than an actual rebuttal that they are particularly wrong.

[–]kanray86 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

right, but the verified polling data shows that key demographic groups had their clinton vote share underestimated and trump vote share overestimates, such as white women or black voters

[–]magus678 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not following what you mean. The Clinton v Trump numbers are very close (off a single percentage point), and even if we wave a wand and say that is the same in 2020, it doesn't support you point. This is the disparity you are calling "not very accurate?"

[–]BCRE8TVE 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

As a Canadian I don't know anything about the title IX stuff or the unintended side effects. Could you give me a link please, or ELI5? thanks!

[–]CaptSnap 15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Title IX is Biden's brainchild. It started back in the 80's when Dr Mary Koss did some rape studies on college campuses. There werent alot of self-reprted victimization. So she changed methodology to include women that were technically raped but didnt know they were victims. She also coaxed the definition of sexual assault so an unconsented kiss or touch would count. Now there was alot of sexual assault and rapes on college campus, 1 in 5 women will be sexually assaulted before even getting out of the shower. (Dr Koss just fyi also believes men cant be raped, likeoutright says it... theres a radio interview if you want to google it and listen to her bigoted bullshit. This is literally the "academic" foundation all this is built it. She was later instrumental in designing the violence surveys.)

Cue the passage of VAWA and the promulgation of the Duluth Model. (thats more for domestic violence but you can see whole pendulum here) BIden wrote the senate version.

Anyways, Title IX is where any institution that receives federal funds must offer equal access or get fucked. Well back in the 70's this was used to great effect to cancel alot of men's sports. If a university had spent 5 dollars on football they had to spend a $5 on women's swimming or whatever. If girls werent equally interested in sports well thats too fucking bad.

But under the Obama admin it took on a new role with the "dear COllegauge letter" because of the aforementioned rape epidemic. See young women were getting raped so much in college that it was tantamount to denying them equal access. So the Obama administration (it was really Biden's project) pressured the dept of ed to tells schools get involved in these cases (rather than the justice system and to forego civil rights to pretty much expel any guy accused of anything.

It lowered the burden of proof.

It prevented you from facing your accuser (you cant ask her questions).

It established an office to help your accuser the victim build her case. (minority men really were the oens that got fucked)

The prosecution and judgement would come from the same office, Title IX coordinator.

It provided training that ... no shit... said logic and reason would be the tools men would use to cover their mass-rapings.

It forced universities to separate you from your accuser...so if youre accused you get thrown out of your dorm, you cant go to the same classes, until they have time to properly expel you.

If youre accused, youre pretty much expelled. And even if the evidence is so overwhelming that even the kangaroo court cant expel you, well your accuser can wear you raping her as an art exhibit for the next few years and graduate with it, and then publicly stand with a senator. No shit, a senator

Trump's stooge Devos actually rolled most of that back. But of course Biden has already promised that the first thing is he is going to bring it right back.

[–]BCRE8TVE 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Jesus Christ I had no idea it was that bad. I'm really glad I live in Canada.

I know we have rabid feminists of our own and feminism through all levels of government, but it doesn't seem quite as rampant with man-hate as you guys down south.

Thanks for the ELI5.

[–]Egalitarianwhistle 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Canada's actual justice system is much worse than USA when it comes to feminism and victims rights laws making it worse for male defendants.

But in college in the USA, female students basically have the right to expel any man they don't like. The reform made it a bit better. For example, accused students now have the explicit right to know exactly what they have been accused of. (They didn't before the recent changes.)

Also students are now supposed to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

[–]BCRE8TVE 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

But in college in the USA, female students basically have the right to expel any man they don't like. The reform made it a bit better. For example, accused students now have the explicit right to know exactly what they have been accused of. (They didn't before the recent changes.)

What the fuck. Not being allowed to know what you're accused of is downright dystopian!

Canada's actual justice system is much worse than USA when it comes to feminism and victims rights laws making it worse for male defendants.

I would be interested in finding out if there is a comparison somewhere. Do you have a link to one?

[–]Egalitarianwhistle 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Youtube diana davison. Advocate for the falsely accused

She follows canadian rape cases and kinda explains why it's do heavily biased against men.

For example, The radio host Ghomeshi was accused by several ex girlfriends of sexual assault. They basically colluded on their stories. But then he had proof they lied.

So feminists got mad and passed a law that the defendant has to reveal all his evidence at the start of a trial. Basically makes it impossible to catch an accuser in a lie.

I highly recommend Diane Davison as she is just a passionate men's advocate who does a good job explaining how unfair the legal system is towards men, with a focus on Canadian law.

At the political level you don't win votes by making It easier for men to defend themselves but rather the opposite. I wouldn't say most politicians aren't explicitly feminist but they do understand gynocentrism at a gut level. Politicians understand rescuing damsels in distress. There's no political equivalent for helping men. In fact helping men is often viewed derisively as "socialism."

[–]BCRE8TVE 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the reply, I'll definitely have to read up on that!

[+]_Consistent_Noise_3 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't know about a comparison but look at the Ghomeshi case and the law change afterwards. Dude was able to prove he didn't rape anyone because the accuser's texts and emails. So Canada made it so texts and emails wont be admissible.

[–]Egalitarianwhistle 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

They made it so the defendant has to show all his evidence first. Basically they schemed to frame him and he proved it. So feminists changed the law to make that harder.

[–]BCRE8TVE 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus that is bull. So much of today's communication takes place over texts and emails and it would be really easy to verify those emails. What the hell.

[–]Egalitarianwhistle 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for that. You did a fantastic job explaining title IX. Thorough but also concise.

[–]beatstorelax 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

women dont vote in women. that's simple and the reason why there's few women in high command.

[–]kanray86 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i looked at the wep platform and tbh what exactly do they stand for? they don't seem to have any specific policy goals.

[–]YesAmAThrowaway 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's more to worry about than a gender. I think most people realise that.

[–]short-cosmonaut 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Workers don't vote for worker parties either.

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