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Sadiq calls for misogyny to be hate crime after Sabina Nessa’s murder

BrokeMacMountain

September 23, 2021
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Title Sadiq calls for misogyny to be hate crime after Sabina Nessa’s murder
Author

BrokeMacMountain

Upvotes 60
Comments 46
Date September 23, 2021 6:57 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/pu240q/sadiq_calls_for_misogyny_to_be_hate_crime_after/
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Comments

[–]Alarming_Draw 57 points58 points59 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

fucking shit. same EVENING that her murder was announced and all over the news and papers, a SMALL story announced THREE men had been SHOT, one dead-no outrage, no candle lit vigils, no immediate action from cops, no calls for law changes. Just one shitty story at the bottom of most website pages, dominated by news of one woman dying.

EVERY day, men are dying from being stabbed and killed in the uk lately. NOTHING happens. ONE woman dies and look at the difference!

[–]thewindburner 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

just had this argument on twitter!
Nobody wants to have the discussion about the numbers of men being killed (73% male in England up to March 2020).

Mention these stats and its all "whataboutism", "poor men being left out".

I can't believe how much time I wasted today on replying to tweets!

[–]Alarming_Draw 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They always resort to those terms when they know they lose on the facts. Its just a childish way to avoid reality.

[–]MrElderwood 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Could you possibly link the article you mention please?

I don't doubt you, more that I would like the details for when this subject inevitably comes up in the future, as you make a point well worth repeating.

[–]Alarming_Draw 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No need-ANOTHER male got killed so theres yet ANOTHER male death for us to consider-this time a BOY. LURED TO HIS DEATH BY A GIRL who was part of a set up. Is it making headlines? Course not. Fucking sick of this double standard in media.

Its like every womans life is worth ten men's lives to them.

[–]MrElderwood 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, I absolutely agree with you. All I wanted the link for was to be able to back up my arguement with hard data. If you could supply the link, I'd appriciate it.

[–]bitch-et-al 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Where did you lead that he was lead to his death by a woman? I saw a lot of news stories about it but none of them mentioned that. Do you have a source?

[+]Junior_Fall_2032 -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Is it women killing all these men or is it just men enjoy killing everyone?

[–]TheEthnicityOfASpoon 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Blaming the victims eh? I guess you think that Sabina Nessa deserved to be murdered because she was wearing a dress.

[–]Junior_Fall_2032 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

How is that remotely victim blaming? I’m not saying male victims kill themselves or deserve to be killed. I’m saying the majority of people doing the killing of both men and women are men. That’s just a fact.

[–]TheEthnicityOfASpoon 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

> How is that remotely victim blaming? I’m not saying male victims kill themselves or deserve to be killed. I’m saying the majority of people doing the killing of both men and women are men. That’s just a fact.

The majority of women who are raped, are young, out alone at night, and wearing short skirts. That's just a fact.

[–]bitch-et-al 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s actually not a fact. The vast majority of rapes are committed by someone who knows the victim, not strangers on the street in the dead of night.

[–]TheEthnicityOfASpoon 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OK then:

”The vast majority of rapes are committed by someone who knows the victim, not strangers on the street in the dead of night. That’s just a fact“

Happy? 🙄

[–]MrElderwood 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is that meant to be 'pithy' or are you just naïvely combative for the sake of it?

[–]BrokeMacMountain[S] 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is from the London .evening standard newspaper.

The london mayor, Sediq Khan, has stated he wants misogyny to be made illegal. but not musandry. He is not advocating for equal rights. nor has he stated why he think this will help.

Everyone here from the UK needs to nite together to ensure we all have equal rights, and anuse against ANYONE of any gender is illegal.

[–]jonnyhaldane 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Khan is so woke it’s vomit-inducing.

[–]WamerkerSUW 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's so woke he went back to sleep.

[–]BrokeMacMountain[S] -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

your right. Generally i like khan. but he doesnt make any waves. I can not think of anything he has said or done. Unlike borris, where i can think of plenty he said and did. Not all of it good, of course but at least he made some noise. All Khan says is mondless cowtowing to certain demographics.

[–]jonnyhaldane 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Khan has tweeted things like ‘there is no reason why 65% of engineers should be white males’ (I can’t remember the exact number).

It’s like, yes there is Sadiq, how about the fact that the UK is majority white and women generally aren’t interested in engineering.

He is in a position of power and spreading racist, divisive ideology. How anyone can be ok with that, I don’t understand.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There’s loads of engineers in Britain of subcontinental origin. Way more than their percentage of the population! It’s racist favouritism I say! They should just stop hiring these people. I mean it can only be racism that they’re over represented in engineering according to Khan - couldn’t possibly be that engineering just happens to interest loads of Indians and Pakistanis! Why do people vote for that racist scumbag?

[–]jonnyhaldane 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because British people are completely blind to anti white racism. London is the most woke part of the country.

[–]TheEthnicityOfASpoon 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Meanwhile, THREE times as many males as females are murdered in the UK; and in 2020, there was a 20% increase in the number of male victims, and a 16% decrease in the number of female victims:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2020

[–]LilCorkMan 37 points38 points39 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hundreds of people get murdered in the uk buts it’s only the female victims that matter to society

[–]Rockbottom503 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Police have arrested nobody as yet, all I've seen the police say is they think she was killed 5 minutes after she left the house and they're investigating whether she might have been killed by a stranger. The obvious conclusion to draw from all that very specific information is that she must have been killed because of misogyny! #fuckingfacepalm

[–]mikesteane 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is outrageous that there is no specific law against killing a black woman. We need to pass one now. Then, in the future, people can look back and say "it was legal to kill black women until 2021".

[–]Rol9x 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We can go even a bit further in time and pass a law against killing black transgender women. And we could all mourn the bleak times before 2021, when it wasn't illegal to kill black transgender women.

[–]ChicagoIndependent[🍰] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Guys it's not only Khan. You see this same kind of thing in the shithole country that I'm from as well.

All the stories about a few women but none about men.

[–]Bojack35 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Personally I think the whole concept of hate crimes is identity based nonsense - the motive (often assumed motive) of a crime shouldnt be a crime in itself.

That being said it is simple that if misogyny does become a hate crime then misandry has to be too. Otherwise you are making one gender more legally protected than the other. How anyone can even think is compatible with an equal society is beyond me.

[–]alclarkey 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There is some justification for using motive to determine the severity of a sentence, if there is a sentence. If you kill another person who was trying to kill you, that's self defense. You're not a murderer.

[–]Bojack35 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeh I know there is legal precedent for considering motive. It's just when the identity is a factor - I don't think me hitting a person of another race/gender whatever should have a more severe sentence than the same race/gender.

What's also strange is that victims own assessment is a factor - they can say they believe that my motivation was their gender when in fact that had nothing to do with it and that is sufficient for it to be treated as a hate crime.

Assuming someone's motivation and punishing based on that assumption doesn't seem just to me.

[–]mikesteane -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There is no justification for using identity to determine the severity.

[–]alclarkey 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wasn't suggesting that.

[–]EnvironmentalWar4627 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If they declare misogyny a crime and men that attack women are being convicted of it, then they need to make misandry a hate crime as well and start convicting women of wanting men that are 6 feet tall or expecting men to pay for dates.

Fair is fair.

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow. I’d never expect you to make such a comment. Keep up the good work.

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[–]AppleJuicePro 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Username checks out.

[–]Rol9x 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So if someone kills a woman will get a tougher penalty? Like in encouraging murderers to kill men, not women? Yeah, it seems appropriate.

[–]Kindly-Town 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

London police has already done that.

[–]alclarkey 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because apparently a murder charge is not sufficient.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

the only oppressive society where the oppressed victims get an idea of specialized hate crime protection status before the oppressors.

[–]WamerkerSUW 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So silly lol how exactly could you enforce such a law or even prove it objectively. it's tantamount to thought crime.

[–]EnvironmentalWar4627 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This won't do anything to help misandry. It will only hurt men as men that attack and injure women will face longer sentences.

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is saying that women’s lives are more valuable! And it’s grandstanding, like everything that little pos has done.

[–]ripyourlungsdave 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There’s a great episode of South Park about how stupid hate crime legislation is in general.

[–]fanclockbedsheet 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't have a problem with this if they make misandry a hate crime too, but we all know that won't happen.

[–]JennyJonesBaker -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean if men are hating and killing women that sounds pretty criminal to me

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