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When will women have to subsidize male health problems (like dying several years earlier)?—France introduces free birth control for all women under 25

whatafoolishsquid

January 1, 2022
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https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20211231-france-introduces-free-birth-control-for-all-women-aged-18-25
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Title When will women have to subsidize male health problems (like dying several years earlier)?—France introduces free birth control for all women under 25
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whatafoolishsquid

Upvotes 42
Comments 87
Date January 1, 2022 6:01 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/rtomgw/when_will_women_have_to_subsidize_male_health/
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Comments

[–]Zinziberruderalis 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I see France is getting on top of its demographic crisis.

[–]Svenskbtch 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Subsidising birth control and any medical service related to reproduction strikes me as pretty reasonable. The real gap lies elsewhere, such as cancer research and use of medical services (admittedly also because men on average and especially in the lower classes take less care of themselves).

[–]tuxfornoreason 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (128 children) | Copy Link

Oh sorry did you want more child support?

[–]MisterNavit 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (127 children) | Copy Link

How about we give men free birth control instead? Oh wait, they didn't even bother to make a pill for us.

Edit: oh and most women baby trap then they're approaching 30s, not before 25.

[–]velvetalocasia 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

France gives out free condoms through health providers since 2018….

[–]MisterNavit 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Really? Vive la France!

[+]tuxfornoreason -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (105 children) | Copy Link

Lmao there’s been pills for men but the side effects (which are the same side effects as for women) were deemed too risky for it to pass the muster.

[–]Starmind0 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Hey misandrist, oink away.

[–]tuxfornoreason -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hey incel, fuck yourself because no one else will.

[–]Starmind0 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just like the other misandrists, basing value and state of mind on having sex with women lmao. Don't want it and don't care. Sorry not sorry I destroyed your desperate way of attacking men🦋

[–]MisterNavit 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (83 children) | Copy Link

So discrimination either way.

[–]tuxfornoreason -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

You could also get a shot in your nuts that will stop sperm production and when you want babies again, get another shot to the nuts that will reverse that but scientists have also determined that this option wouldn’t be popular for men.

[–]MisterNavit 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I can see why.

[–]tenchineuro 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Vasalgel is not FDA approved or available in the US.

So where are you going to get it from?

[–]tuxfornoreason 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Yeah and do you understand why it’s not FDA approved or available in the US?

Because it’s not going to sell for shit because men aren’t going to get a needle in their balls.

[–]tenchineuro 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

What I don't understand is why you are claiming it's an option men have.

And men get vasectomies all the time, which is much more invasive.

[–]tuxfornoreason 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

I’m not claiming it’s an option, I’m saying it will never be an option because men will never and would never risk their health for reproductive freedoms like women do and have been expected to.

A vasectomy isn’t any more invasive than an IUD…

[–]tenchineuro 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

I’m not claiming it’s an option, I’m saying it will never be an option because men will never and would never risk their health for reproductive freedoms like women do and have been expected to.

This is feminist whining.

Men have no contraceptive options today but condoms. Give men more options and they will use them.

A vasectomy isn’t any more invasive than an IUD…

Do they perform an operation, cut the skin and poke around inside the wound?

[–]GrinningPizza 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why are they called nuts if they don’t have a hard shell because people don’t stop fucking kicking them

[–]tuxfornoreason -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (48 children) | Copy Link

Vasectomies are free where I live.

[–]MisterNavit 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (47 children) | Copy Link

Isn't that a permanent thing though?

[–]tuxfornoreason -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (46 children) | Copy Link

Vasectomies are highly reversible. There’s always a chance that they can’t but it’s small.

[–]tenchineuro 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Vasectomies are highly reversible.

No, they are not. And the success rate falls the longer you wait.

[–]tuxfornoreason -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

They are 95% reversible in ten years. That’s pretty fucking high.

[–]tenchineuro 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

That's one of those The operation was a success but the patient died kind of things.

  • https://uihc.org/health-topics/vasectomy-reversals-frequently-asked-questions

  • What is the effective rate of reversal?

  • The success rate varies based on several factors. Time from the vasectomy certainly helps to predict how likely it would be to be able to put the two ends of the vas deferens back together; however, getting return of sperm into the ejaculate does not guarantee pregnancy, so pregnancy rates typically vary from 30 to 70 percent, whereas patency rate, that is the return of sperm, can be as high as 95 percent.

The operation success rate may be 95%, but the changes of pregnancy after is from 30% to 70%, and that's the entire point.

Also, neither vasectomies or reversals are covered by insurance.

[–]MisterNavit 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link

I don't man, I wouldn't play with my balls like that.

[–]tuxfornoreason 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

Women play with their reproductive systems all the time by using the pill you’re so highly coveting.

[–]MisterNavit 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

r/woosh

[–]tenchineuro 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

That's nowhere near their only option.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

So? Not our problem.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is incorrect.

[–]tuxfornoreason 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are incorrect.

https://uihc.org/health-topics/vasectomy-reversals-frequently-asked-questions

[–]velvetalocasia -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

No, the guys in the trial whined to much and so spoiled it for all men.

[–]MisterNavit 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Of course a feminist would say that. Why are you feminists here anyway? To harass us? Just go back to your subreddit and leave us be.

[–]velvetalocasia -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Nope, that’s not something that feminists say, that something that is recorded about that study. Has nothing to do with feminists.

[–]MisterNavit 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

You still didn't say what you're doing in a men's rights subreddit. Are you here to torment us?

[–]velvetalocasia -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

So stating facts is tormenting you?

[–]WelshEngineer 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You're not staying facts though, you've cherry picked information about a medical trial and misrepresenting it to support your point. If you were giving a balanced representation of the facts you'd point out that whilst the specific side effects were broadly similar, that the occurrence of the most serious side effects was significantly higher than with the female contraceptive pill. The trial was actually halted due to these safety concerns raised by an independent body, but the work to develop the formula hasn't stopped

Plenty of men would happily take a pill if the actual risk was similar to that pose by the female contraceptive pill.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

No. Being a feminist makes you not exactly welcome here by everyone.

[–]WelshEngineer 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

That's actually a bit of a half myth. Whilst you're correct in saying the side effects were similar during the trial, the difference was in frequency. The men in the trial presented with the most serious side effects at a significantly higher rate than women taking the pill.

It's like for example, comparing 2 pills that have a possible side effect of clotting and saying they are the same, even though one may be 1% and the other 10%.

[–]velvetalocasia -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

That’s not correct.

[–]WelshEngineer 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Actually it is correct, you're wrong you should read the published study not just news articles.

Anyway following radical feminist logic, as a woman your personal opinion on men's health is invalid and unwelcome.

[–]velvetalocasia 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

I did, did you? It doesn’t seem like it.

[–]WelshEngineer 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I did, its clear you didn't. You've come here with the sole intention to troll.

[–]velvetalocasia 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, everyone who has a different opinion is a troll…..no other way.

[–]WelshEngineer 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

No I'm simply using your own logic here given that facts don't seem to be your strong point.

Quite simply as a woman you do not have any right to an opinion on men's health, no more than men should push their opinion on womens health. Your opinion isn't valid.

[–]Maldevinine 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's three intersecting reasons why a male hormonal contraceptive hasn't been done yet. The first is that men suffer less physically from pregnancy, so there's stricter standards on the side effects. The second is that female hormonal contraception works on an existing cycle where the male side is more like a production line. It's harder to interrupt the production line. And lastly, because female hormonal contraceptives also can be used to treat or minimise other issues with the reproductive system, where there's no such side benefits of a male hormonal contraceptive.

The most promising male contraceptives are not hormonal at all. There's the use of a spermicidal gel injected into the vas deferens to create a truly reversible version of a vasectomy, and there are two I have seen recently that use the fact that the testicles are outside the body and sperm cells are weaker than most cells in order to damage them inside the testicles.

[–]Space_Angel_Vampire -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Well there are condoms.

[–]MisterNavit 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, good luck with that. There's an entire black market for "spergling" tools (sperm burglars). There have been cases where women tried using the used condom to impregnate themselves and baby trap men. Condoms can also be easily damaged. And some men have trouble with condoms, especially when combined with other issues. I've personally disappointed my professor twice, because the condom killed my erection.

[–]velvetalocasia 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Some men have trouble with condoms…..are you allergic to rubber? Or what is it?

[–]MisterNavit 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

No, I'm not allergic. It just kills my boner. I do not understand why. My boyfriend has the same issue.

[–]velvetalocasia -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Did you talk to a doctor about it?

[–]MisterNavit 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

No. I didn't think it was a problem. Especially since it didn't cause me any physical problems, like rashes or anything of that nature.

[–]velvetalocasia 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You didn’t think being unable to have safe sex was a problem?

[–]MisterNavit 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Well when you put it like that... admittedly I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. And I do have this idiotic habit of ignoring my needs. Especially when it comes to prioritizing the needs of others.

[–]tuxfornoreason -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Boo fucking hoo.

[–]MisterNavit 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Piss off!

[–]tuxfornoreason -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It’s not great when your echo chamber no longer echoes huh.

[–]MisterNavit 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What do you not understand from "Piss off!"? It means go the hell away and bother someone else. Go to your feminist echo chambers. I'm sure that won't burn you in the butt.

[–]tuxfornoreason -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Cry more, baby boy.

[–]MisterNavit 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What a mature response. Your kindergarten teacher must be so proud.

[–]CryingMadGirl 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

What about also free condoms then? That would help with hiv and aids and other stds… oh wait, that’s why we have circumcision! /s /j

[–]velvetalocasia 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You do understand that in France circumcision is not a thing like in the US? And that France gives out free condoms through health care providers since 2018?

https://www.dw.com/de/frankreich-f%C3%BChrt-gratis-kondome-ein/a-46475983

[–]Starmind0 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Male genital mutilation is still legal in France. Promoted or not, common or not, still legal.

[–]velvetalocasia 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s a religious thing there….nobody believes that prevent HIV or any such bs.

[–]CryingMadGirl 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hurting kids because it’s your religious believes? That’s cool 👍🏿

/s

[–]CryingMadGirl 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I was joking like I said

[–]velvetalocasia -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Where did you say that?

[–]CryingMadGirl 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

/s /j

[–]Space_Angel_Vampire 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They used to give out free condoms at places for low income people in Vancouver, Canada.

[–]lkfb94 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

That birth control helps both sides…

But it encourages an uncivilisation.

[–]coolnavigator 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Consequence-free sex hurts both sides if you care at all about families and relationships.

[–]gamerlololdude 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

why?

[–]coolnavigator -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Relationships are formed due to the consequences of sex. No consequences? No need for relationships.

[–]velvetalocasia 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

If the only reason to have a relationship with someone is the consequences of sex (aka a child), than you better don’t have any relationship.

[–]coolnavigator 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Human nature doesn’t care about your modern perceptions and sensibilities

[–]velvetalocasia 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

If you like it or not, we live in modern times and nobody I know wants to have a real relationship „because of the consequences of sex“. If you want to live like that, nobody stops you. The rest of us like to have life partners that they actually like and have a connection to.

[–]coolnavigator 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

You understand that human nature shapes our decision making processes, no?

If sex has consequences and you still want that life partner, you are just much more careful who you have sex with.

If many people make a similar decision, then you totally restructure how dating works in the modern world.

[–]velvetalocasia 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

It always was and still is a shit decision to pick a life partner because of a child on the way. That is not shaped by „human nature“ in any way…..

[–]coolnavigator -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I'm not suggesting you pick a life partner because a child is on the way. I'm suggesting you pick a life partner before you have sex and then have a child on the way.

[–]gamerlololdude 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol yeah wtf that dude saying. relationships = sex. there are so many other reasons for having relationships.

[–]MisterNavit 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It would help both sides, if both sides had access to it. But as of yet, they're not even bothering to make such pills for men.

[–]tenchineuro 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That birth control helps both sides…

Women's birth control has helped women, men are at their mercy when they lie about taking the pill or stop taking the pill while in a relationship.

[–]HIVnotAdeathSentence 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now that they're on the pill, they're what medical professionals call "open for business."

[–]MainstreamAcceptance 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It helps both. It's not like women are having sex alone

[–]autotldr 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 75%. (I'm a bot)


Free birth control for all women under 25 will be available in France from Saturday, expanding a scheme targeting under-18s to ensure young women don't stop taking contraception because they cannot afford it.

France announced the extension to women under 25 in September, saying surveys showed a decline in the use of contraception mainly for financial reasons.

In some developed countries, the free contraception won by women after decades of campaigning is coming under attack again from the religious right.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: women#1 contraception#2 Free#3 control#4 under#5

[–]reddut_gang 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's why I vote for less taxes honestly. I'm through with this shit among all the other things I saw today on this subreddit. The world is filled to the brim with misandry from entities more powerful than people alone. So the only act of defiance I can do is just keep what's mine.

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