Maybe odd question but. What are your opinion on the anti work movement. And do you think it will improve working situations for men that work long hours in dangerous jobs?

Melkor7410 · 2022-02-23T14:22:08+00:00

I am 100% for improved working conditions. I am against the actual antiwork movement if it's actually not working. I also think that someone does need to do some of these dangerous and hard jobs. I do not think it should be 90+% men doing it, I think we should strive for gender equality in *all* aspects of work, not just cushy high paying jobs that is the system today.

auMatech · 2022-02-23T18:22:11+00:00

Be mindful of falling into entitlement traps like the antiwork movement.

There's no doubt that working conditions should be improved, but it's easy to forget that some jobs just cannot be made any safer, or that someone will always need to fill certain job vacancies in order to keep society functioning properly.

It's up to you to decide how much of your free time you want to exchange for money, and at which rate. Don't let other people pressure you into spending your free time into ways you are not comfortable with.

Keep in mind though that no matter your choice, there are always sacrifices to be made

DworkinPill · 2022-02-23T18:58:45+00:00

It’s going to be ineffective because it’s being taken over by identity politics. It will wreck a movement. Workers have to gain a sense of unity. That’s not going to happen if half of workers are called nazis and driven out. Class consciousness first. If a person is a leftie with blue hair working at Starbucks and they exclude a mine worker because of who he voted for, it fucks up everything. These people are wreckers.

TheStumblingWolf · 2022-02-23T15:01:58+00:00

In my country unions are very strong so we have good working conditions. I feel like if you don't like the terms of the job market you should make your own business so you can set the terms.

If the movement is there to improve working conditions then all power to them.

VanillaPancakes46 · 2022-02-23T18:14:26+00:00

Oh man this is going to be long but here's my take:

1) Wealth disparity is fucking huge. If all the wealth (money) in the world is a cake the size of a car tire, a few thousand billionaires are sharing the whole cake while everyone else shares the crumbs.

Video that puts things in perspective

I'll try to be brief so long story short, most people aren't paid what their work is actually worth for a variety of reasons. Mostly because employers have a variety of advantages over employees.

2) Low wages make it hard for people to negotiate higher wages or better work conditions.

When you're paid so little you can't save any money, it's hard to quit your job. Boss tells you to do something dangerous? You either do it or you can't pay the rent this month.

3) Low wages harm health

Low wages often mean being forced to work when you're sick or injured, or not finding the time to go to the doctor when you need treatment.

It also means not being able to find the time or money to take care of yourself, by relaxing and resting regularly.

And there's also the stress factor: stress weakens the immune system, increases the likelihood of cancer and heart disease, etc. Low wages mean constant stress for all sorts of reasons: not being able to eat or pay rent, worrying about getting fired, not being able to take time off for important personal matters...

Worth noting that many workers these days are being made to work until they're worn out. We spend millions putting kids through school, providing them with health services, and various other tax-funded things, expecting them to become productive working adults who will work for ~40 years and contribute to the economy, making this investment worthwhile.

But then some companies hire them, make them work in exhausting conditions, barely pay them enough to live decently, won't let them take care of their own health properly, and then these workers quit working decades before retirement age because their health is too poor to keep going. Do the companies care? No, they just hire someone else to take their place and repeat the cycle. Tons of people desperate for jobs lining up. Doesn't even cost the company a dime to do this.

4) Increased wages would solve many problems

If workers earned more, they'd have less stress, they'd be able to take care of their health, and they'd be able to demand safer and better working conditions. I know people who can afford to lose their jobs and people who can't, and when it comes to demanding safety in the workplace, the difference is night and day.

My acquaintances who can afford to lose their jobs will literally yell at their bosses to make their work environment safer or to go fuck themselves. And their bosses comply, because they know they have no leverage. My acquaintances who can't afford to lose their jobs are miserable, stressed, worried they could die or become disabled any day but knowing they have no alternative, hoping to survive long enough so that one day they too can afford to demand safe work conditions.

5) There are a lot of other problems with work these days.

Safety is just one issue. There's harassment from employers, hostile work environments, work that infringes on personal/family life, etc. Too many issues to list.

The anti-work movement can address all these problems, and they should be addressed.

6) Things used to be better, not worse

The wealth gap between rich and poor has drastically increased over time. I forget the numbers, but it has multiplied by something huge in just several decades. And back then, when the gap was smaller, people had more purchasing power.

Some people say that if workers got paid more, this would just cause inflation that will cancel out the increased wages, putting everyone back to square one. Or that employers need to be as rich as they are to keep the economy going... But history shows it isn't true. If anything, a smaller gap was positive, and the economy worked fine, if not better, despite the rich being less rich.

7) I'm not a fan of the anti-work subreddit

My support of the anti-work movement isn't support for the subreddit of the same name. That subreddit has no plan, no action to actually solve problems. They just complain or brag about their personal situations (understandable) or debate whether right-wing people should be excluded (good luck accomplishing anything if you kick out 90% of blue collar workers and become a club of office monkeys - especially since right wing people tend to vote in favor of billionaires and businesses, so bringing/keeping them on your side is the smart move!).

I also don't believe the anti-work movement will solve things soon. It will take a lot of time probably. But no movement has ever won overnight, plus it seems like this movement is causing a lot more people to think about these problems. The biggest obstacle in fighting for better pay or working conditions has always been ordinary people (lower or middle class) who believed the flaws in the system couldn't be fixed or were a necessary evil. Once a large enough percentage of the population "wakes up", things will start to change.

Warder766312 · 2022-02-23T16:23:51+00:00

I’m an odd one. I’m conservative but I agree with what most of what the anti work is about. It’s mainly about being able to live your life without being a slave to a company. Companies used to be able to offer pensions, benefits, perks, and vacation but why did that all stop? Why now that companies are more efficient, people are more efficient and we work longer hours. What did we the people gain? I’m all for getting more from corporations and gouging them for increased wages and benefits. The anti work movement works to an extent. It can raise wages and change how benefits work but we need to fix our mentality of work.

Embarrassed_Ant6605 · 2022-02-23T18:11:46+00:00

I’m all for workers rights, I’m all for pointing out the flaws in capitalism.

But those people over on antiwork are full on left wing cunts.

TAPriceCTR · 2022-02-23T18:54:13+00:00

It will amount to nothing. Antiwork only serves to further convince the brainwashed capitalist serfs that everyone who disagrees with complete laissez-faire is a commie parasite.

sinusquestion123 · 2022-02-23T20:13:15+00:00

Guys who pride themselves on working hard are losers.

Anybody that works and doesnt try to maximize how much they ought be paid is a chump and basically a cuck.

DGWolverine · 2022-02-23T22:42:55+00:00

The antiwork thing is basically just asking for fair compensation and to be treated like human beings instead of replaceable numbers

GasMaskGhou1 · 2022-02-24T01:30:51+00:00

They have legit concerns. I thought ti was a movement of lazy male feminists complaining over nothing but then I went to their sub and saw the horror stories.

I do think they are alienating more working class people due to them integrating too much partisan politics into it.

63daddy · 2022-02-23T17:10:23+00:00

Anti-work essentially means: I want to stop working and be supported by those who keep working”. It’s an incredibly selfish attitude. People feeling entitled to be supported by others is a growing problem.

That said, I am empathetic to where they are coming from. The workplace has become increasingly bureaucratic and hostile towards workers, working men especially. The solution however, isn’t to stop working and expect others to financially support you. The answer is to come down on unfair work regulations and practices. Too many people just accept unfair regulation.

Just imagine for example if most workers started filing for religious exemptions to invasive policy.

Koalachan · 2022-02-23T17:50:35+00:00

As a member of the anti-work movement I can say the posts in here about it are as incorrect as feminists posts are about this place.

The anti-work movement is a misnomer. It is not about not working, it is about freeing ourselves to not be beholden to corporations and bosses. It's about better pay as workers don't get raises while companies report productivity and profits skyrocketing. It's about not having to come in to work on your day off because your boss is an ass. It's about better safety precautions. It's about saying that our health and life shouldn't be tied to our work (health insurance). And it's about being able to take time off that we earned without having to feel bad about it or getting called in anyway.

Here are the top posts currently:

Starbucks raising prices and blaming employees wages, despite not raising wages. https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/szfu0d/starbucks_is_raising_its_prices_to_consumers/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Dirty hospital working conditions: https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/szher9/quit_my_hospital_job_because_of_their_disgusting/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

And memes: https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/szh9zw/we_need_better_situation/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Justathrowawayoh · 2022-02-23T15:48:08+00:00

the anti-work movement is mostly mentally ill communist degenerates who don't want engage in productive labor and instead want other people to work to support them

they want to accomplish this by stealing other people's stuff and labor at first through an authoritarian state and allegedly, eventually, robotic scarcityless utopia (any day now, just 15 more days before the vast authoritarian state will disappear)

inevitably, their "solutions" are authoritarian states forcing capital owners to do things

everyone wants working conditions to improve; the only way this happens in the real world is through capital accumulation

Yehiaha666 · 2022-02-23T16:46:32+00:00

In the US, we already have an anti-work element of society: people who refuse to work and work the system for EBT, SSDI, section 8 housing, etc. Just get several baby daddies and you're set for life, and then the kids will do the same, and their kids.

sgtm7 · 2022-02-23T16:49:57+00:00

They sound like a bunch of lazy, whiny, slackers to me.

Lui_Le_Diamond · 2022-02-23T19:56:17+00:00

It's a ridiculous movement based on people being lazy. Are there problems with our current systems? Yes. But no place ia flawless. Antiwork is basically a bunch of 14 year olds who need to grow up.

Occupational_peril · 2022-02-23T17:09:11+00:00

I'd get posts from there always popping up in my feed even though I never joined. The vast majority of the posts I read could have been perfectly at home in r/horriblebosses (don't even know if that's a real sub).

The thing I think a lot of people in antiwork miss is that working the same job for 40 years isn't a viable life plan anymore. Situations change both for yourself and the company.

Crushed_95 · 2022-02-23T17:56:49+00:00

Is the group back and running here on reddit? I know last month group leader who was a transsexaul dog walker got embarrassed on Fox News last month and they close the group down

bennybeckler · 2022-02-24T00:20:12+00:00

I’m anti-corporatism

SodyPops17 · 2022-02-24T02:42:29+00:00

I am all-for worker's rights but anti-work is the most toxic, communist, extreme leftist page I think i've ever seen.

qianxiaonai · 2022-02-24T13:47:08+00:00

I think we'll always have the poor. But we haven't always had the productivity benefits of 2022 technology. We might end up with universal basic income. Or biotechnology could boost most people's IQ. Safety improvements will continue too. But we'll always have a normal distribution of danger in jobs and women who play it safe will prefer safe jobs. Women play not to lose. Men play to win.

Deadass-Boi · 2022-02-24T13:50:51+00:00

In my opinion work conditions do need improvement and that maintenance and important jobs should be held by men, which already is happening but they get no appreciation or gratitude for their hard work and they are treated like garbage

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