I've lost so many friends over the simple fact that I happened to ask out a woman they know that rejected me. And each time it happens it begins to make less and less sense.
It would be one thing if I ignored the refusal and acted overly close to the individual in question. That, I could actually understand. I'm sure we all know at least one example of someone who can't take no for an answer and its totally unacceptable of course. But despite the fact that I've never acted creepy with any of these women, never brought the topic up again, never even touched them, each time mutual acquaintances seem to "coincidentally" stop talking to me shortly afterward, sometimes even leading to the dissolution of entire friend circles.
Why? What's so wrong about simply being a guy that a woman happened to say "no" to? Are they afraid that I'll continue to obsess over the matter and become a creep about it? Beyond the obvious misandrist/demonizing implications there, its frankly absurd. Most of the time when I talk to these women its just like "Hey, I thought we could do something outside the (insert mutual activity here), you seem like a nice and fun person and I want to get to know you better." It's just a casual thing, not like I'm doing some crazy dramatic love confession or something like that. I literally just try to shoot my shot, forget about it, and move on with my life.
The fact that things just fall apart around me like that hurts so much because it makes me feel self-conscious, like I'm doing something socially unacceptable. I've always taken great pains to err on the side of caution regarding women, to the point of perhaps falling on the side of overly cautious, if anything. But apparently people see being merely <unrequited> as some kind of inherent threat. Its tough because it makes me more guarded about letting myself get close to people than I would wish. After all, why get close if it means you'll just lose them eventually?
Now you might say, "just stop asking women out that you meet in mutual friend circles". Fine, but you must understand that doing this is basically the same as consigning yourself to permanent loneliness. Once you reach adulthood and get a job, it starts to become a lot harder to find a relationship. If you're lucky, your work (which is where you spend most of your time) will expose you to potential partners. Even if it does though, its becoming less and less acceptable to approach people in professional settings. Or for that matter, in the gym, in the coffee shop, etc. Unless you're unrealistically exceptional in some way then you don't have a shot at online dating, so if you want something more than hookups, you'll need to meet women from social groups that have similar interests and springboard from there. But increasingly, its beginning to seem like its not acceptable to do even that anymore.
I just don't know what to do about it. Give up hope entirely and try to fill the void with plutonic camaraderie as best I can? The thing is, I don't know if that will even work. The older I get the more and more I see people my age doing the opposite: investing in romantic partners and decreasing their need for friendship.
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I respectfully disagree.
Redpill, bluepill and MGTOW approaches are equally important end required, in moderate amounts.
Redpill in order to be able to recognise and defend yourself from emotion manipulation, (which is as prevalent between women as brute force in men), and being able to apply more aggressive persuasion techniques.
MGTOW is good for developing a distance to the whole dating, relationships, society, external validation and finding joy outside of it. For if you make another person your everything your can lose everything.
Bluepill is required to stop yourself from being consumed by previous two and becoming cynic, cold and manipulative asshole.
Only blackpill incels be condemned unconditionally, but still remembered, as the grim demonstration of what giving in to hopelessness and despair can do to you.
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What you're missing is that you should have a pretty good idea that someone is into you before you shoot your shot.
The fastest I've ever shot my shot was when I met this tiny blond in college. I was hanging out with them and some mutual friends and ended up sitting next to them. I was looking at cute dog pictures and showed them one, and they got this giant grin and laughed really cutely. I decided I needed to be their boyfriend. We chatted for a bit about dogs and cute animals and memes . . . even after our mutual friends had moved on. I did not catch their name, but more I knew they liked spending time with me.
They didn't come hang out the next day, so I asked around about them, found out their name and that they were nonbinary. Next time they showed up I properly introduced myself with a big smile and told them I'd been missing them because they seemed really cool and had a very cute laugh. They responded positively to the compliment and complimented me back.
We were sitting next to each other and I was learning more about them and their schedule. I wanted to touch them, so I asked if I could put their legs over mine. They agreed, and then I had their legs over mine and I was playing with their tiny cute kneecaps while we chatted. They moved in closer to me and were comfortable.
Now I knew a. They liked spending time with me. b. They liked being complimented by me. c. They liked being touched by me. So I asked if they were single, and after finding out they were, I asked if they'd like to go get burgers and fries and see a movie. They agreed.
Remember, this is the second time I'd met them. I was straightforward, respectful, and sincere the entire time. If at any of the bolded points in our interaction they had reacted differently, I would not have asked them out.
You need to tick all the "would like to be on a date with me" boxes before you ask someone out.
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I am telling you what is, so please don't counter with what should be. This is education - listen.
When I was a kid I was in special education for being so fucking antisocial. I couldn't understand social cues at all. I had to teach myself to study face and understand microexpressions and micropauses and tone. If I can learn so can you.
Social interactions are transactions. You are not asking for a date - you are offering one. You cannot act the part of the hurt door-to-door salesman who doesn't understand why people keep slamming the door shut in his face or kicking him in the balls when all you want is to be given the chance to sell your product.
You have to draw interest before you can offer your product without social backlash. The way you dress, act, and interact is advertising. It's this way for both men and women.
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