Misogyny and Misandry

63daddy · 2022-08-17T20:36:49+00:00

We don’t live in a patriarchy, therefore misandry can’t be a response to the patriarchy.

One can see misandry from feminists as far back as the Declaration of Sentiments. You can find quotes by notable feminists specifically stating misandry is acceptable. One can similarly find examples of feminist leaders saying incredibly misandrist things about men, and feminism doesn’t call them out in it.

neighborhoodpainter · 2022-08-17T22:19:45+00:00

I'd just say they're hypocrites. They demonise misogyny but are neutral or don't care when there's misandry. Feminism is supposed to be about "equality", but they're tolerating misandry, that means they're not for equality.

We can justify a lot by saying, "it's a response to x, y, z". If they're a white woman, you can say, "hating white women is a response to their racism in the past, and falsely accusing black men of crime, assault, and owning them, etc".

Longjumping_Joke_751 · 2022-08-17T21:19:46+00:00

2 wrongs don’t make a right

patxiku93 · 2022-08-17T20:31:34+00:00

Remind them that said misandry is also causing more misogyny and those misogynists are learning from them too

Fuzzy_Department2799 · 2022-08-17T20:36:46+00:00

So two wrongs do in fact make a right?

g1455ofwater · 2022-08-17T20:45:30+00:00

Tell them that's misinformation.

orntuborg · 2022-08-18T02:01:30+00:00

You can tell them that misandry is a perfectly natural form of in-group/out-group signalling, the type of signalling we do all the time as a species. However, *misandry* is the current socially sanctioned bigotry which is why we see so much of it uttered without shame or consideration for the human value of the people being slandered.

It's the modern day equivalent of being an overt racist. In our recent memories it was socially acceptable to publicly denigrate entire groups of people based on race, religion, culture, etc. The women (and sadly too many simpish men) proudly spouting their misandrist jokes and comments today are just like the archetype racist uncle at Thanksgiving.

Claiming that misandry doesn't exist, or is a response to the patriarchy, is a weak attempt to claim the moral high ground while being a trash person and doing trash person things.

If you really need a bite-sized response one of my favorites is similar to the agree and amplify, but you need a pretty good ZFG attitude as you will burn some bridges: "...yeah, f**k those lame-ass guys. I can't wait for it to be fashionable again to say similarly bigoted things about women and minorities. Being a c**t is such fun... I've got so many great opinions about single m*ms and f*t ch*cks, ready to go... Don't ask me to think about them as human beings with feelings - that's too much emotional labor".

Bound-Submissive · 2022-08-18T06:37:55+00:00

I will contradict them. Unlike the modern bitter women, I know that misogyny is a lot harsher punished, and also far rarer than misandry which seems to be ignored and I don't like that. Men also deserve support when someone insults them or hurts them. Validation of feelings and respect is supposed to be mutual, never one sided.

Also objectively, hating a gender is supposed to be in the list of mental illnesses and treated as such.

Ziigii · 2022-08-17T21:05:51+00:00

Respond with "sounds like your problem"

beleidigtewurst · 2022-08-17T22:15:01+00:00

"you made me do it"

JazzPhobic · 2022-08-18T10:30:39+00:00

Ask them if Islamophobia is ok. If they say no, comment "why not? Its a response to 9/11".

If they anyhow disagree, point out the hypocrisy.

foreverclassichunter · 2022-08-18T00:03:55+00:00

2 bads don't make a good and because some men are misogynistic doesn't mean everyone is misogynistic saying that them being misandrist as a respond to misogyny is a stupid excuse to cover up their sexism, plus saying that you are misandrist to respond to misogyny is pretty sexists on its own, it's like wanting to caucht a criminal and while trying to do that you falsy put innocent people in jail

wardenferry419 · 2022-08-18T00:44:24+00:00

What happens when everybody is fighting fire with fire? Everybody gets burned.

dependency_injector · 2022-08-18T04:21:06+00:00

I ask them what has been done in attempt to end the aspect of misogyny they're talking about. Especially, if it's something like "women don't serve in armies because they are considered weak".

I mean, if it was misogyny, feminists would have at least tried to stop it, right? [Padme face] ...right?

StudentOfTheTruth1 · 2022-08-18T06:13:50+00:00

You say that she is totally wrong, it is backwards, misogyny is the response to unprovoked and baseless misandry.

The important thing is that they always shamelessly claim all kind of lies without any evidence and without batting an eyelash. You have to do the same. Don't argue just tell in her face the exact opposite and leave her there.

MaxTheCatigator · 2022-08-18T06:15:40+00:00

Even if that were true, how would that make it any better? Misandry would simply lower the feminist to the same level rather than both rising to the better one.

ConsiderationOdd2929 · 2022-08-18T11:00:33+00:00

Tell them chauvinism is a response to misandry. Ask them how they liked it.

Then, cut off their response with "Excuse me! Women are to to be seen and not heard!"

And walk away. Victorious.

SteveorJimmyorJack · 2022-08-18T15:24:27+00:00

Is not a response. Is an excuse to be what they are and should be ashamed to be instead of proud.

pearl_harbour1941 · 2022-08-19T05:49:23+00:00

The only way to debate with feminists (if that's even possible) is to use feminist sources.

I like this one:

bell hooks (feminist author, whose name you must NOT capitalize!): "Patriarchy was taught to us by our mothers, handed down through the maternal line..."

Their heads literally spin.

Also bell hooks: "When I began ... to rebel against patriarchal thinking (and to oppose the strongest patriarchal voice in my life — my mother’s voice)..." - Feminism Is For Everybody (2000)

...

Patriarchy (and by extension, all that feminists fight to erase) is perpetuated by women only. According to their own beloved bell hooks.

Title	Misogyny and Misandry
Author	bloodfuel
Upvotes	36
Comments	28
Date	August 17, 2022 8:29 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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