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Is gray hair sexist?

Wild_Aioli

September 5, 2022
141 upvotes
/r/AntiFeminists
https://theconversation.com/grey-hair-fine-for-george-clooney-but-not-lisa-laflamme-189513
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Title Is gray hair sexist?
Author

Wild_Aioli

Upvotes 141
Comments 50
Date September 5, 2022 11:44 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/AntiFeminists
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/x6v12e/is_gray_hair_sexist/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/AntiFeminists/is-gray-hair-sexist.1129947
https://theredarchive.com/post/1129947
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Comments

[–]dw87190 81 points82 points83 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So basically: "Women are self conscious about grey and choose to dye it out of their own free will? Must be the pAtRiArChY"

[+]Consistent_Ebb5876 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They're obviously talking about beauty standards being harsher for women.

[+]Ill_Finding1055 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes it absolutely is the result of the patriarchy. Their insecure because grey hair doesn't fit into the beauty standards western men have for women.

[–]burnerpvt 68 points69 points70 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Real question is : what isn’t sexist, misogynistic and/or offensive to feminists these days?

[–]casra888 32 points33 points34 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Absolutely nothing. Feminists will begin to attack each other's as tools of the patriarchy any day now.

[–]WorldController 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They already do, hence the feud between liberal and radical feminism.

[–]MustardWendigo 21 points22 points23 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"It rained on me, a woman, today. That's right, nature is sexist."

[–]juicywoosy 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Soon enough having a baby rather it be male or female would be sexist, owning a spoon would be sexist, life Itself would become sexist along with suicide, to a feminist anything mildly inconvenient is sexist.

[–]thealphateam 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did you watch that new cat documentary on Netflix? Apparently men caused the black plague.

[–]FreshPitch6026 23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Its even funnier, they write in the article:

"Whatever the cause of LaFlamme’s dismissal, the episode has once again highlighted the gendered ageism many women continue to face."

Yea. Whatever the reason for dismissal of a woman was, it highlights sexism once again. Wtf

[–]forty83 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

With zero proof as always. It seems this way to me, so it must be it. No need for proof

[–]MMAGodPunchyFace 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Creepy old man" has never once in history been used to shame older men. Nope, never. This is the first time ever in history age and features have been a problem, just happens to be women,... go figure.

[–]denisc9918 23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Eagerly awaiting the article bitchin about females earning more on onlyfans than the men do.

[–]dw87190 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Kind of you to call it "earning"

[–]_milf_cheek_clapper_ 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, showing your butthole on the internet is hard work

[–]denisc9918 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes.. Yes I am. My biggest failing. <sigh>

[–]EasternToe3824 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Funny how they moan about the absence of a mom bod and forget the whole body positivity movement that is focused on women, no matter if they’re mothers.

[–]Former_Ocelot5593 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They keep calling stretch marks tiger stripes lmao. You're not a dangerous wild animal for getting in the sheets and popping out a watermelon

[–]53withtrollhair 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Legacy media in canada is in a tailspin, and parent companies are looking for any cost savings they can find. She cost too much. And that was that. It's a business, albeit a business on life support from justin castro.

[–]throwitawaywoofy 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Didn't she cause CTV millions in damages for her report on Patrick Brown?

Why is it "cute" when a lady with white hair does it? Is it because Erin Brockovich?

[–]StanduAnduDeroo 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You know what? Fuck it, I’m tired. Women are sexist, game over

[+]Lavarosen 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The point of the article is the differences in female to male judgment on TV appearance. It’s noting that there tend to be harsher standards in the body types and looks for women than for men, with some high lights to the dad bod or other similar aspects in history.

[–]TheSnesLord 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As a feminist would say: "That's just the way it is hun, deal with it"

[–]golden_eyed_cat 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think this depends on the role that you play in a movie or show. Usually, the main character has to be attractive, regardless of their gender, since people are more willing to watch movies where the lead is good looking. This has nothing to do with misogyny, and everything to do with business.

However, there is plenty of room for average-looking and older people in supporting roles, and if you look beyond the main cast, there will be plenty of older, chubby, short, balding and plain-looking actors featured in films. Dolores Umbridge in the 5th part of Harry Potter, for instance, certainly wasn't a model!

[+]Lavarosen 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said

[–]Former_Ocelot5593 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it's just a hair color. Next question please

[–]Irrelephantitus -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I think we should be careful here. I am as antifeminist as any of you, but we should be able to call out sexism when it happens to women as well as men.

We may not ever know the true reason for Lisa's dismissal, but if it was because her hair went grey, when they kept Lloyd Robertson on long after he went grey, then this can pretty clearly be seen as a case of sexism against women.

No one will take us seriously if we deny actual cases of sexism against women. We have enough instances of feminism making false claims of sexism that we don't need to attack the legit ones.

[–]ruyrybeyro 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Ageism is not "sexism", and men also are targets.

[–]Irrelephantitus 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If they allowed Lloyd Robertson to work with grey hair until he was 77 and fired Lisa LaFlamme basically as soon as she stopped dying her hair that would be ageism applied only to one gender. So the "policy" isn't really about age but about gender.

[–]ruyrybeyro 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A case is a case, and a one swallow does not make a summer. It makes me vomit everything nowadays has to be construed about "sexism against women". Ageism IS ageism and is very real.

[–]Irrelephantitus 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not saying anything about the broader picture here, only about the dismissal of Lisa LaFlamme. I agree with you, feminists make up sexism all the time, but we can at least admit when it actually happens to a woman.

[–]WorldController 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not only do you concede that it isn't certain that sexism is involved here, but you're generalizing based on a singular anecdotal case. This completely unscientific approach is similar to that used by feminists themselves.

[–]Irrelephantitus 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm only talking about a single case I'm not generalizing anything. I'm saying if they dismissed her for having grey hair, and they didn't do that for men with grey hair, then it seems like it would be sexism.

If they dismissed her for some issue other than her grey hair then it probably wouldn't be sexism. If they can point to examples of continuing to employ other older females with grey hair then it wouldn't be sexism.

[–]MMAGodPunchyFace 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This isn't sexism though, this isn't something that is only effecting women. Men have been called creepy for decades for just being old. You have things like "old man smell", not old people smell, man smell. If anything this is ageism, but I don't think it's exactly any kind of bias or hate to tell a TV personality of all people mind their hair in general. It's the on TV version of "tuck in your shirt"

[–]Irrelephantitus 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not trying to make some broad statement about how we treat old people of different genders differently, just in the news world. Don't you think it seems like we are more ok with older male news anchors then older female news anchors? Just look at Fox News, there's no female version of Bill O'Reilly there, the woman could all could pass for being in their 20's or 30's.

And it's not like Lisa LaFlamme was unprofessional with her grey hair. It's bias to have a different standard for men and women. If they fired everyone who has grey hair then that would be ageism, but they only seem to fire women with grey hair, so it's sexism (or maybe, and I can't believe I'm saying this, the intersection between ageism and sexism).

[–]Former_Ocelot5593 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Boohoo, just dye your hair or live with it natural

[–]vaaralinen -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Though ageism affects all older adults, women are subject to greatest discrimination

because wives and laws don't allow men to grow old by making them work to death lol

(wives mad)

[–]LakiL_ -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh look, another shower discussion. No, nobody cares about this random rich white woman that has gray hair.

Next.

[–]xBTx -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When this story came out I saw it as more of an ageist/cult of youth thing than a sexism thing. Weird

[–]WorldController -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do female chauvinists (i.e., feminists) think gender norms, which apply to both men and women, are indicative of "the patriarchy?"

[–]Goblinboogers 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is this why grey hair was the style and all the rage for girls in their 20s a few years back?

[–]goinsouth85 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dang, I’m a male and I die my hair cause it makes me look younger. Why wouldn’t I?

[–]Mindraker 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Correlation is not causation, BUT it makes you suspicious at times.

http://www.stevedennie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/foxnewsblonds-950.jpg

[–]FalineK 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought it was trendy for girls to dye their hair silver/gray instead of ashy blonde now? But it's sexist now? I can't keep up.

[–]prn_melatonin 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I see some girls in their teens dyeing their hair gray, lol.

[–]IgorRenfield 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm 55. Never in my life was I attracted to or repelled by a woman's hair color. Can grey be sexy? Yes and no. It all depends on whose head that hair is growing from.

[–]zetaconvex 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Grey is for men but not women

I guarantee you that men don't like getting old either.

I worked as a programmer, which is seen as the preserve of the young. I'm pretty much on the scrap heap. But you don't see me kvetching about it. There aren't national articles written about how I'm such a great programmer and can't get a job because of ageism.

I don't know much about the website. The mere fact that it calls itself "theconversation" tells you straight away where its political leanings lie.

[–]TrilIias 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I love how the article states:

Though ageism affects all older adults, women are subject to the greatest discrimination.

And what's the source they provide? It's a piece of "research" which basically asked 80 women what they thought about how they were perceived for having grey hair. Seriously, that seems to be all they did. How on earth does this prove anything? They didn't even bother to ask any men how they thought they were perceived for having grey hair, so how can you possibly use this to claim that "women are subject to the greatest discrimination?"

Feminist "academia" is truly an inspiration. I don't now how these people find such creative ways to be retarded.

[+]Consistent_Ebb5876 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Have you seriously never heard a person say that men age better?

[–]TrilIias 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have, but that doesn't usually refer to grey hair specifically.

Often it's not about physical appearance at all (source: am gay man, and personal opinions are apparently useful data). When people talk about men ageing better they aren't talking about the majority of men who loose all the hair on their head (except their nose hair). People just don't often think of male pattern baldness and conclude that men age better.

The thing is, men aren't just seen as attractive based on their actual looks the way women often are, for men it often has more to do with status and wealth. Looks fade over time no matter who you are, but status and wealth usually increase. Since men are judged on a quality that improves rather than diminish, men's attractiveness is often thought to last longer, but also to begin later.

I mean I guess you could argue that it's sexist that men and women are judged based on different things, but is it really better to be judged based on your wealth than on your looks? And sure, it sucks for older women who might not be given the same social value that older men are, but the intention behind this arrangement wasn't designed with the intent of harming women, as is evidenced by the clear fact that this arrangement also puts young men at an extreme disadvantage relative to young women.

Did we draft 20 year old men because they were more physically and mentally capable than men in their 30s or even 40s? Of course not. We did it because those young men didn't have important jobs, they weren't community leaders, they hadn't started their own families. They had little social value, so we deemed them expendable.

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