I would argue men like this guy do far more damage to other men than feminists do

Maivens · 2022-10-17T17:25:26+00:00

He's completely right (one can argue, for the wrong reasons). Men shouldn't cry. Becuase it is at the least invisible, and at the most used against them.

I know that I'll probably get downvoted for this, but I think most men know this intuitively or by experience. I have never, ever in my life, seen or personally experienced a man crying having a positive outcome in any way. And I highly value my personal experience. It's not that "men should be stoic" for some abstract, metaphysical reason, it's because you can go and not be stoic and what-not and see how that goes for you.

This whole post of yours even makes his point, maybe there is some nook of the internet where you can cry and not be berated or judged for it, but irl people, both men and women, feminist or not, think like he does.

The best way to learn is to experience something personally, life lessons like this get engraved on your bones, and no random online video or arguement for "why it's ok to cry" has any weight at all, empty platitudes.

TyppaHaus · 2022-10-17T16:47:40+00:00

How? He just ask questions that 2 years ago were complete normal but now its "offensive"

Low_Cranberry_4024 · 2022-10-17T16:58:25+00:00

na I'm not saying their not bad but feminists have just done too much for it to even be comparable.

One-Low8135 · 2022-10-17T17:44:12+00:00

I used to believe that whole "Men should express their emotions openly" stuff... Until I lost respect from an entire group of people for crying in front of them (I suffer from PTSD from military service and some triggers can become terrifying in the moment.) Both women and men within the group became condescending and their whole attitude towards me changed. Moved on from that and made the mistake of crying in front of an ex-girlfriend... her attitude towards me changed A LOT in the next few weeks and she became meaner and even made fun of my softness. She was right. Men (who crave respect) shouldn't cry in front of other people unless the examples that the guy in the video provided. Yes, do cry in therapy, weddings, the birth of your baby, a funeral, broken bones, etc. The feminists blame the patriarchy for men being told not to cry, but in reality it's just social dynamics between sexes.

Reddit1984Censorship · 2022-10-17T17:32:37+00:00

Men should cry? Yes
More damage than feminist? Hell no
For all that is wrong with the conservative view on men, it at least appreciates, respects and rewards men for their sacrifices, while paving a life path to pursue for them.
Feminism is exclusively destructive and dehumanizing towards males without any upside.

OriginalHuckleberry3 · 2022-10-17T20:08:43+00:00

If you listen to the whole thing. He is right. He is not telling me not to cry. He is saying that Men shouldn't cry in public expect for a few exceptions.

ruifaf · 2022-10-17T18:16:44+00:00

I've shed tears before for woman for no positive outcome. Family and friends can have my tears any time.

tears in a relationship makes you weak in their eyes and they use them to step on you in the first opportunity

keep stoic, gentleman

rabel111 · 2022-10-18T00:17:32+00:00

Should men cry?

That's up to each individual man, and has nothing to do with what feminists, psychologists or anyomne else thinks or feels.

The idea that men should be more like women (i.e. cry), is completely false. This idea is based on a shallow understanding of men and masculinity, and the narcissistic impression that men are just broken women who need fixing.

I have seen men cry all my life. But when they wanted to, not when someone else thinks they should.

Don't believe women who say men they know don't cry. What they should really say is that men they know are not comfortable crying in their company. It's very different.

odysseytree · 2022-10-17T17:56:13+00:00

Mostly this advise comes from abundance of shared experiences of men who regretted it after crying in front of someone because it gave them more wrong than right.

Even today it can cost you your current relationship, a promotion, people will start keeping distance from you for not being useful to them anymore (this is good but it comes with the consequence that they will share wrong character about you to someone who wants to know you in person), people will see you differently for not being able to handle life issues.

The vibe of the people changes towards you once you express your emotions and despite your own free will about how you want to live your life, this is not something people will change in themselves for you even if you tell them how you feel about that. That's why this advise though seems so wrong but is actually a solution to a bigger problem that you might face and it's kind of a "how to minimise more damage advise".

Eric-Ridenour · 2022-10-17T19:06:30+00:00

Matt Walsh is MOSTLY parody. Don’t take anything literally. He is referring to guys who lose their shit over getting someone else’s pronouns wrong and stuff.

EviessVeralan · 2022-10-17T19:14:25+00:00

While i agree that saying "Men shouldnt cry" is a really bad thing. This still isnt even remotely comparable to the damage that rad fems have caused.

skcuf2 · 2022-10-17T20:05:58+00:00

I saw this come up the other day. What he says makes sense to me.

Personally, I don't think anyone should cry. It's literally an expression of over stimulation via too much emotion. I have never seen it do any good in any situation beyond possibly calming a person down, and even then it might have the opposite effect. Stuff it down or throw up. Don't cry. If you're crying for reasons outside of what is listed in the video then you could probably be better spending your time finding a solution.

remmbermytitans · 2022-10-17T16:46:19+00:00

I'm a casually follower of this sub, and I find myself a little stunned sometimes at how feminists tend to get blamed (in my opinion, a little unjustly) for a lot of the issues you guys like to talk about here.

I found this video on a different subreddit, and thought it would be an interesting point to talk about. What do you guys do about men like this? Because I'll be honest, I see more men talking like this than I see feminists. Men like this are the ones pushing the stereotypes that y'all seem to have an issue with, and so I wanted to see what you guys think of this kind of stuff.

m8ushido · 2022-10-17T19:29:29+00:00

Too many outrage/troll peddlers these days. It’s sad they get so many peoples money and build careers on confirmation bias

Rpgfanfanatic · 2022-10-17T22:26:19+00:00

Imagine gatekeeping crying

JustSomeYukoner · 2022-10-17T22:48:12+00:00

That guys a fucking idiot. Emotions aren’t evil, and showing them shouldn’t be taboo.

I’m as manly and masculine looking as they come, but I have zero issue breaking down and crying in public.

The_Namez_B · 2022-10-17T23:04:18+00:00

It would be better if he said, it’s not advisable to cry in public, not men shouldn’t cry.

somethingneet · 2022-10-17T16:47:47+00:00

Dudes a self proclaimed fascist and a self admitted pedophile. He couldn't be more of a clown if he wanted to be.

paynetrain37 · 2022-10-17T19:52:07+00:00

100%. Matt Walsh pushes one of the most toxic versions of masculinity out there.

And let’s be clear - Matt Walsh is the figure that these MRA groups want. Openly pro-patriarchy, explicitly anti-feminist, and he has a lot to say about what men should be like.

When people talk about toxic masculinity, just think of Matt Walsh. Because he promotes the idea that there is a narrow definition of what men should look, think, talk, and act like. It’s not descriptive based on what men are, it’s prescriptive on what men should be. It boxes us men in, it limits how we can act, and it judges us if we fail to live up to an arbitrary standard.

Matt Walsh is actively trying to generate more gendered-stereotypes, while feminists are trying to generate less gendered-stereotypes. That makes the world better for everyone (including men).

Think about the things that the MRA groups complain about most often - men being drafted into the army, men working the most dangerous jobs, men being the ones who get financially screwed in divorce, etc. These are all a negative consequence of the gendered-stereotypes we have in our society. Men are supposed to be strong and defend the weak (women and children), so as a result they are the ones in the Army draft and working the dangerous jobs. Men are supposed to provide for their families, so when they split up, they have to continue to provide through alimony / child support.

This is a perfect example of how the patriarchy harms men too, and I’m glad OP brought this up.

Cromwellity · 2022-10-17T19:22:23+00:00

As much but definitely not more

Title	I would argue men like this guy do far more damage to other men than feminists do
Author	remmbermytitans
Upvotes	1
Comments	50
Date	October 17, 2022 4:44 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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