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The woman behind the men's rights conference

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The woman behind the men's rights conference https://youtu.be/a40aDaPNfeQ...

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February 26, 2023

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Title	The woman behind the men's rights conference
Author	Maxi-Spade
Upvotes	127
Comments	85
Date	February 26, 2023 10:33 AM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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Perhaps she has skills and the time to do what the men can't do. Should we discriminate as well, too? I have had men do women's stuff better than some women. Men are good at things that women may not be.

It's an individualistic thing, too. I have had males do my hair and make up once. One guy did such a great job with makeup. He had better visual skills than some women back in the 1970s. I felt very pretty because he was probably the best makeup artist I came across. I just wish I had the money I would have hired him.

I had a female who did my makeup who put dark colors that would suit a Burnett better than me. He used bright colors on me. He nailed it better than any woman who ever did my makeup. I am not that easily impressed.

Men know what makes a woman pretty. I have seen this. I have tasted a man's cooking. I hope any woman that dates him appreciates him. He was skilled.

I tried a few men's jobs in my life. I can't do it. Just not cut out for certain things. Some things I can't do as good as a man. I still think men are lord of the BBQ. I am not a fan of that.

It's her skills, and a person with skills shouldn't be discriminated against. What I hate is that people label men as being gay if they want to work in fashion and they are straight. Job positions shouldn't have a gender.

I wouldn't want to work in construction and do that 9-5. I think those who can do the job well should do it because of their skills and qualifications, not anything else. I learned as a teen not to discriminate.

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I never said men couldn't do that job. Don't put words in my mouth! What I am now saying is maybe the men don't like that type of work. Didn't I say something of that effect, or do you not understand what I said?

Maybe they asked Karen to do that job? I don't know, so it all has to do with the dudes in charge. I'm not the Grand Poobah, so it's their choice, right, eh? I'm in Canada a far cry from America.

You just want someone to argue with about nothing? Is that why you're here? Just to argue?

Did I not say that maybe men don't want to sit behind a desk? Some men don't like that type of work.

My dad used to work for the government and he hated working in an office. Not every man likes that sort of thing.

Men could do anything they want to do. Some men mite want to knit? Maybe some men want to be nannies? I don't know, but whatever a man chooses to hope he's happy doing a noble and good job he feels good about at the end of the day!

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Karen Straughn has being doing this shit for years. She has a son of her own and has been a vicious debater on the topic since it was absolutely socially unacceptable to do so. Not only has she earned her stripes but she's wicked intelligent and capable of nuanced takes in a variety of different areas and her associations between different topics are big brain. She's one of the few public men's rights activists women I would trust to put something like this together, if only because she would just defer responsibilities to other capable people and get shit done efficiently. She's legit leadership material and has proven that for years.

I understand we need to see men standing up too and ultimately it's very important but she's done a lot and is a good player in the game not to be discounted fr. She's earned my respect and appreciation and I would say even admiration.

Some of the shit she's said I can't even repeat here or I'd get banned because it's such gritty hot takes of reality.

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First of all, there's no comparison between the Honey Badgers and Ben Shapiro. Shapiro is constantly endorsing feminist ideas.

saying that america is controlled by marxists

But are they wrong?

advocacy against raising the minimum wage

Not a far right position, just a moderate conservative one.

and for cutting social security

Hardly inconsistent with the MRM, if on the conservative side. If anything it's just off topic.

saying that the fighting age men coming to canada and the UK from third world countries are rapists (despite having been proven to be less likely to commit violent crimes)

They've also both talked about how the Middle East isn't a patriarchal hell hole that uniquely oppresses women, so it's not like they only push the narrative you brought up. I've actually never heard them say that, maybe they have, but they certainly don't dwell on it. Also, Cologne did happen.

mocking george floyd for having his summary execution coming

I don't know the instance you are talking about, so I don't know, but this seems like an oversimplification of whatever they said.

denying anthropogenic climate change

Okay, but what's wrong with this in the context of men's rights? The accusation is that they "use men's rights activism to promote a far right agenda that hurts men." So how does anything to do with climate change hurt men? Are MRAs only supposed to have opinions on men's rights issues and not on anything else?

saying that the draft could only be repealed after men learn to love their country properly

Context would help, I don't know exactly what was said, but it seems like his point was that the draft can only be repealed if enough men volunteer? Is that correct? Because is he wrong? The need for a draft exists regardless of whether men should have the right to not be drafted. A draft isn't necessarily a luxury, it can be a necessity. I'm not yet sure that what he said was wrong, or in opposition to men's rights.

and yeah, occasionally they criticize feminists.

Understatement of the year.

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even when they do criticize feminists, they resort to calling them marxists, communists or socialists. it's only a matter of time before they endorse feminism and claim the left is oppressing women. you can already see the beginning of it.

if you endorse the draft you're against one human right of men. brian said it would be great if the draft could be repealed but only if men learn to love america; yes, presumably to volunteer in times of need. otherwise "loving your country" is a typical meaningless right wing statement like "support our troops". did i say meaningless? i really does have a meaning, just a different one: loving your country means obeying authority. if you criticize it you don't love it. they don't have a problem with authority as long as it's patriotic and virile.

if you deny climate change at this point you're a buffoon. still an MRA but some things are too crazy not to be called out.

i'm sure some male immigrants have raped english women, but as a trend they're less dangerous than natives. their reasoning for rejecting them is that they come from wars (which they as neocons support. alison has come out in favor of the petrodollar), so they're fucked up in the head, and that they're fighting age men (emphasis on men. this is from karen and mike).

yes, they have debunked what they call "the women over there"m but they've shifting their position. you still find remnants of the old position here and there.

as mike has funnily said responding to a guy in a ted talk: you have some gumption to explain how the trick works and then try to pull of the trick anyway. you live on the edge kiddo. i like your style.

no. america is not controlled by marxists. since the reagan administration the laws against firing union organizers haven't been respected, resulting the decline of union memberships and a drop in real male wages. feminism has intervened to rescue women and women only from the ravages of unbridled rights of investors. the closest thing to a marxist in america is bernie sanders and he's despised by the whole establishment.

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even when they do criticize feminists, they resort to calling them marxists, communists or socialists.

Yes, and they do mean that as an insult, and just how wrong are they? Seems about right to me, at least on the marxist and socialist front. Feminism is just a gendered version of Marxism.

if you endorse the draft you're against one human right of men. brian said it would be great if the draft could be repealed but only if men learn to love america

So he said the draft should go if there's a practical way to do it? MRAs don't just focus on rights. That's what feminists do, and it's a stunted understanding of equality. A lot of MRAs prefer to focus on equal balances of rights and responsibilities. The fact is, a draft may just be necessary to protect the US. We have a lot of enemies. I truly do care about men's rights, as much as I care about anything, and that includes ending the gender imbalance against men. But also, I don't want the best country on earth to risk being overthrown.

if you deny climate change at this point you're a buffoon. still an MRA but some things are too crazy not to be called out.

Well then this has nothing to do with what we were talking about and so I don't care.

no. america is not controlled by marxists.

Disagree. Marxism is simply a philosophy of interpreting the world as a class struggle between the working class and the bourgeoisie, with the bourgeoisie having always won and oppressed the workers. The postmodern version of that is what we see as feminism, which is all about interpreting the world as a class struggle between men and women, with men having always won and oppressed women (Yes, I know Marxism is Modernism and thus in conflict with Postmodernism, I didn't say it was rational). Academia has completely bought into this, as have most HR departments, as well as at least half of our government, and business have a habit of pandering to these ideas.

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feminism conquers left wing movements when it can't crush them. saying that men oppress women (feminism) isn't the same as saying that society is organized in repressive ways which hurt much of the population.

there is no connection beside misunderstood vague terms, just as there is no real connection between the theory of evolution and social darwninism.

class struggle is a taboo topic in the US, so i don't know what you're talking about. everyone is obsessed with race, gender, fictitious genders, anything but class.

karen straughan has said that she opposes "corporatism" because few people take too many the decisions. well,, so do leftists, except that they're serious about it and identify inherent deficiencies in the system, whereas right wingers complain that their masters are marxist effeminate homosexual pedophiles (and jews, if they're old-school), even though the system is just fine.

the crew at honeybadgerradio screams at a nebulous concept of elite overlords all the time, but they support all the policies most dear the actual elites of the real world (deregulation, investor rights, union busting, cuts to public programs except the military and the police (and benefits for women, they never actually advocated for cutting those but they sure abhor gender neutral measures like social security and public healthcare)

straughan has said her son works part time and earns enough to life comfortably, but not attract a woman. this isn't possible in the US because of the very right-wing policies which she endorses.

when canada becomes like the US (which is happening because of the efforts of both feminists and right-wingers, unhampered by an actual left-wing), her son will have to work 2 jobs just to pay rent.

he'll also run a much higher risk of incarceration, addiction, homelessness and medical bankruptcy. curiously, his sister won't.

feminists always oppose politicians with left-wing agendas, like bernie sanders. they called him anti woman, accused him of crimes against women and asked him why he isn't a woman, basically trying to force him to apologize for not being a woman. they never did it with joe biden.

the left is infested with feminists, and the problem is that this causes them to stop being leftists. they stop advocating for workers in general and focus only on female workers. if you complain they call you a communist just like right wingers. they oppose democracy in the workplace because they like to snuggle up to powerful men and despise low status, subordinate men. this is the polar opposite of marxism.

the US isn't at any risk of being invaded. it's more powerful than the rest of the world combined and always the party doing the invading. curiously, it's also the country most scared of being invaded. i've heard many americans, since today including the president, say the invasion of ukraine is the first invasion since world war 2. if americans actually believe than then they're detached from reality and all my words are a wasted effort.

the rest of the world is terrified of the US but they have a point

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saying that men oppress women (feminism) isn't the same as saying that society is organized in repressive ways which hurt much of the population.

I must have misunderstood something, are you suggesting that feminism is the belief that "men oppress women?" Because if so, that's my point exactly. If not, then the phrasing is unclear.

class struggle is a taboo topic in the US, so i don't know what you're talking about. everyone is obsessed with race, gender, fictitious genders, anything but class.

Again, my point exactly.

(deregulation, investor rights, union busting, cuts to public programs except the military and the police

Pointless fluff, your argument used to be that they were far right, there's nothing far right about any of this.

straughan has said her son works part time and earns enough to life comfortably, but not attract a woman. this isn't possible in the US because of the very right-wing policies which she endorses.

Well that's your opinion, and frankly I'm not buying it, especially not given the wreckage of inflation that really can't be blamed on conservatives.

he'll also run a much higher risk of incarceration, addiction, homelessness and medical bankruptcy. curiously, his sister won't.

I've criticized the right wing plenty of times, but guess what, so has Karen and the other Honey Badgers, but I still lean conservative. Is it just possible that someone can support some right wing ideas while also opposing their misandry? If they were progressives would you be criticizing them for supporting policies that will get her son arrested for being a victim of domestic violence or cause him to lose access to his kids?

feminists always oppose politicians with left-wing agendas, like bernie sanders. they called him anti woman, accused him of crimes against women and asked him why he isn't a woman, basically trying to force him to apologize for not being a woman. they never did it with joe biden.

Because they saw Bernie as a threat to Warren since the two were similar. All the accusations against Bernie were politician maneuvers by Warren to beat her main competition.

the US isn't at any risk of being invaded. it's more powerful than the rest of the world combined

Which sure gives a lot of people reason to target us. Things change, just because we are the most powerful today doesn't mean we always will be, and we didn't get so powerful by reducing our military capacity. You think China wouldn't attack us if they thought they could? Because they may not be a serious threat now, but they are growing stronger. Besides, the U.S has a history of seeing attacks on other weaker countries as threats to the U.S., enough of a threat to warrant a draft.

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i don't remember saying i'm a communist and it's irrelevant whether i am. there are no marxists or communists in power in the USA. not among the democrats, not among the republicans. there are plenty of feminists but it's a wholly different story: even mild social democratic reforms like public healthcare are considered taboo in both parties and feminists seem perfectly ok with it. when bernie sanders proposes reforms he's called anti-woman as well as communist.

this is typical of honeybadgerradio as well as right-wing though in general: you apply extremely strict and contradictory standards to the countries you don't like and are kicking america's ass in every regard other than military power while applying no standard whatsoever to the USA.

it dones't matter that the US spends twice as much per capita as other developed nations on healthcare and has the worst outcomes. it's good because for some reason.

it doesn't matter that it has the highest incarceration rate in the world with 25% of the world's prison population and only 4% of the world's total population. it's still the land of the free.

it doesn't matter that you have no protection against being fired your employer can fire you at a whim, including a woman's accusation. protections for workers are communist and bad.

compare to the rest of the developed world, the US is a shithole, but it's fine because it affects mostly men as the government is still there for women and will always be. you hate men so much you're willing to go down just so you bring the others with you.

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