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Robert Webb viciously attacks the Men's Rights movement, compares it to fascism, smears the Red Pill documentary, and sneers about how we should all be feminists instead

cheshiredudeenema

December 20, 2017
37 upvotes
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Title Robert Webb viciously attacks the Men's Rights movement, compares it to fascism, smears the Red Pill documentary, and sneers about how we should all be feminists instead
Author

cheshiredudeenema

Upvotes 37
Comments 29
Date December 20, 2017 11:04 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7l57fy/robert_webb_viciously_attacks_the_mens_rights/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/robert-webb-viciously-attacks-the-mens-rights.1173480
https://theredarchive.com/post/1173480
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A clear example of how feminism infantilizes women and excuses sexism faced by men

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March 12, 2018
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Feminist Pop Star explicitly says she hates men and feminists rush to support her. At least they're not pretending anymore.

723 upvotes
July 12, 2017
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Feminist group Justice For Women is campaigning to overturn a murder conviction for a woman who bludgeoned her husband to death in a premeditated attack due to supposed "coercive control". Imagine the outcry and the accusations of "victim-blaming" if the genders were reversed.

407 upvotes
February 27, 2019
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I find it so cruel that men are forced to initiate romantic relationships but are then vilified and shamed for doing so.

403 upvotes
October 6, 2017
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Apparently AskReddit thinks that the suicide gap is because "women are encouraged to think about others a lot more growing up" and therefore choose less traumatic methods. Because women are the real victims, right? Pure pseudoscience.

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May 23, 2017
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The UN celebrates International Men's Day by making it all about women. Mainstream feminism, everyone.

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Pop feminism has moved on from "false rape accusations are so rare they don't even matter" to "it's a myth that false rape accusations ruin lives". 2000 retweets and 7000 likes. This is not a small minority, it's mainstream feminism.

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September 19, 2019
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The media is now trying to spin Google underpaying men as sexism against women. See how many articles quote wild feminist speculation instead of sticking to the facts.

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March 6, 2019
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Comments

[–]cheshiredudeenema[S] 22 points23 points24 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bonus bigotry: He lauds the "Great Men" project which literally goes into schools to tell boys that they're evil and need to be cleansed of their "toxic masculinity" and "male privilege".

[–]ZzardozZ 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Guys pick a team"...

More immature girl vs boy bullshit. We are one humanity, you evolve to this point of view after much learning. You sir have learned little for your age.

Grow the fuck up.

[–]Ted8367 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Robert Webb viciously attacks

He appears to be trying to recover from an appalling childhood, trying to avoid getting it wrong like his dad, in my view displacing his efforts into a wrong direction, and getting it wrong there too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A4KHm3brJE

[–]8880886 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Without a good dad it's hard not to end up a massive tool.

[–]splodgenessabounds 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You can lament the way our culture makes it harder for men to look after themselves emotionally or you can hate feminism, which has been saying exactly that for years… but you can’t do both. You can say that domestic abuse against men is under-reported or you can ask yourself why men find it particularly difficult to report. You can complain that boys are under-achieving in schools or you can question the unruly, disruptive, “reading is for queers”, “don’t be a girlie swot” stereotype that the culture still expects boys to perform. You can regret that men die younger or you can ask why so many of us seem to think it’s a woman’s job to tell us to go to the doctor.

So many false comparisons, so many stereotypical generalisations, so little time.

Webb may have some reasoned, intelligent points to make, but I really can't be bothered wading knee-deep in so much faecal matter to find them.

[–]Pillowed321 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You can say that domestic abuse against men is under-reported or you can ask yourself why men find it particularly difficult to report.

I can do both, and either one requires me to be an anti-feminist and therefore labelled a misogynist.

And we find it difficult because feminists keep spreading the myth that men aren't victims

[–]fonduman 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And, theoretically, I could even raise the point that it's under-reported in order to counter feminist claims that men are inherently more violent/abusive than women without even being an activist to try to fix it, hence the second part of his sentence is effectively irrelevant.

[–]Aeternalis_ 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm an MRA and hold nothing but deep hatred for traditionalism. The last thing I'm gonna be is a fascist.

[–]Pillowed321 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This. I hate traditionalists as much as feminists. The only reason I focus on feminists more is because lately they've been the ones in charge. If traditionalists had the influence that feminists do and were passing the laws like feminists than I would be more vocal about them.

[–]fonduman 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Traditional values were the logical result of the technological context in which they occurred. I don't resent the gender roles that were in place in the past, because they were a necessary strategy to optimise our labour, but I do resent people who don't realise that, and think they have some kind of inherent value outside of that context, and should thus be implemented again now, when they're unneeded.

[–]JohnKimble111 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Use an archive please.

[–]Blutarg 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What an asshole. Forget that guy.

[–]IronJohnMRA 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry, but I don't have time for this guy. I'll thank him for the free advertising and move on with my day.

[–]sewerrat93 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I’m sorry but in the same way that there are some resentful dicks in the men’s right’s movement so you don’t want to support it, there are some vindictive bitches in the feminist movement so a lot of people here don’t want to support that either. You aren’t going to find one perfect movement. Just do what you believe in and denounce the trash.

[–]AnotherDAM 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Never heard of him, is he actually famous anywhere important? Or is this submission just click-bait to raise his profile?

[–]splodgenessabounds 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He and David Mitchell (often on QI and Would I Lie To You) did a few series together in the about a decade ago, e.g. That Mitchell and Webb Look. Compared to Mitchell, Webb seems to have disappeared though I no longer live in Britain so I may be wrong.

[–]Mens-Advocate 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if he's related to the Webbs who founded NS (which long ago became a laughingstock).

[–]ee4m 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

He has left something important out.

Feminists use the same trick fascists do. They scapegoat all white heterosexual men for problems caused by capitalism.

[–]MisterDamage 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Capitalism has created more wealth amongst the poorest segments of humanity than any previous economic arrangement. I'll happily cop to being responsible for that.

[–]ee4m 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Mixed market capitalism has (what free market people mis characterise as socialism), free market capitalism makes the poor poorer.

[+]ee4m -6 points-5 points-4 points 8 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, the connection to Milo, Brietbart, Trump and the alt right is shit thats going to stick.

Just when things were going good the right of the mrm handed them a trump card.

Pun unintentional.

The movement needs to rethink its non partisan position, the right take the stats, information and taking points and then drag us thought the mud.

[–]8880886 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You suck.

[–]Mens-Advocate 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Before you attempt to make a meal of x degrees of separation (neo-Nazi knows Milo who worked for Breitbart headed by Bannon who knows Trump), think of the zero degrees of separation between the Obama-Clinton crowd and terrorist Bill Ayers, terrorist OLR, murder-instigating Al Sharpton, and criminal Marc Rich.

[–]ee4m 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Milo was caught working with a neo nazi on how to word an article that publicly denounces them so as not to commit political suicide, while still working in their ideology so as to appeal to them.

The alt right are a coalition of fascists of one sort or another.

And just because Im critical of fascists, doesn't mean I support the fascism lite of clinton etc.

Get rid of the alt right and the liberal democrat elite, they are all the enemy.

[–]ferrousoxides 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Correct, Milo is an opportunist who sold himself to the highest bidder.

That doesn't invalidate everyone else whose ideas he's appropriated. Any group can be invalidated by judging it by its worst members. Especially when it's not even a real group but just individuals with shared ideas. What matters is who has respect and influence.

There are no alt right colleges, no alt right government committees, no alt right NGOs. They are a hyped up target exactly because they are a paper tiger, afforded only the power their opponents need them to have.

[–]ee4m 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The radical right has a massive network with deep pockets.

Why is America living in an age of profound economic inequality? Why, despite the desperate need to address climate change, have even modest environmental efforts been defeated again and again? Why have protections for employees been decimated? Why do hedge-fund billionaires pay a far lower tax rate than middle-class workers? The conventional answer is that a popular uprising against “big government” led to the ascendancy of a broad-based conservative movement. But as Jane Mayer shows in this powerful, meticulously reported history, a network of exceedingly wealthy people with extreme libertarian views bankrolled a systematic, step-by-step plan to fundamentally alter the American political system.
The network has brought together some of the richest people on the planet. Their core beliefs—that taxes are a form of tyranny; that government oversight of business is an assault on freedom—are sincerely held. But these beliefs also advance their personal and corporate interests: Many of their companies have run afoul of federal pollution, worker safety, securities, and tax laws. The chief figures in the network are Charles and David Koch, whose father made his fortune in part by building oil refineries in Stalin’s Russia and Hitler’s Germany. The patriarch later was a founding member of the John Birch Society, whose politics were so radical it believed Dwight Eisenhower was a communist. The brothers were schooled in a political philosophy that asserted the only role of government is to provide security and to enforce property rights.
When libertarian ideas proved decidedly unpopular with voters, the Koch brothers and their allies chose another path. If they pooled their vast resources, they could fund an interlocking array of organizations that could work in tandem to influence and ultimately control academic institutions, think tanks, the courts, statehouses, Congress, and, they hoped, the presidency. Richard Mellon Scaife, the mercurial heir to banking and oil fortunes, had the brilliant insight that most of their political activities could be written off as tax-deductible “philanthropy.” These organizations were given innocuous names such as Americans for Prosperity. Funding sources were hidden whenever possible. This process reached its apotheosis with the allegedly populist Tea Party movement, abetted mightily by the Citizens United decision—a case conceived of by legal advocates funded by the network. The political operatives the network employs are disciplined, smart, and at times ruthless. Mayer documents instances in which people affiliated with these groups hired private detectives to impugn whistle-blowers, journalists, and even government investigators. And their efforts have been remarkably successful. Libertarian views on taxes and regulation, once far outside the mainstream and still rejected by most Americans, are ascendant in the majority of state governments, the Supreme Court, and Congress. Meaningful environmental, labor, finance, and tax reforms have been stymied.
Jane Mayer spent five years conducting hundreds of interviews-including with several sources within the network-and scoured public records, private papers, and court proceedings in reporting this book. In a taut and utterly convincing narrative, she traces the byzantine trail of the billions of dollars spent by the network and provides vivid portraits of the colorful figures behind the new American oligarchy. Dark Money is a book that must be read by anyone who cares about the future of American democracy.

https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Money-History-Billionaires-Radical/dp/0385535597

[–]Pillowed321 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Outside of this sub, I haven't seen much of a link between MRAs and the alt-right / Trump. On here I know we got brigaded by a lot of them during the election but it's died down now.

[–]ee4m 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, we perhaps I just have a cognitive bias but is seems every day there is something on either Milo, the real mccain, daily wire, etc.

I think its a good thing to be talking about, scapegoating a group for all the ills is a fascist trick.

I believe that liberal democrats and the modern feminist movement does it to average guys.

[+]ee4m -11 points-10 points-9 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

He is right in a lot of ways, feminists are being scapegoated for everything.

In order to not be criticized like that there has to be an economic element too.

We have to point the finger are the source of our economic disenfrachisement.

Take aim at the neoliberal feminists that attack men socially and legally and right wing economics and traditionalism.

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