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Uh, bonding with your daughter apparently enforces patriarchy

XxDrsuessxX

November 25, 2017
256 upvotes
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https://www.romper.com/p/honestly-daddy-daughter-dates-are-anything-but-innocent-30391?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=pro&utm_campaign=liq&llid=eJMxN&utm_term=9jko
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Title Uh, bonding with your daughter apparently enforces patriarchy
Author

XxDrsuessxX

Upvotes 256
Comments 60
Date November 25, 2017 5:35 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7fd9e3/uh_bonding_with_your_daughter_apparently_enforces/
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[–]MisterDamage 51 points52 points53 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Moreover, it’s just… creepy. “Daddy-Daughter Date” sounds like a porno. You can’t escape the incest-inspired overtones of these dances and "dates."

Yes, you can. You just have to not be an objectively terrible person.

[–]AudioAssassyn 18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

What's creepy is someone hears about a loving father taking his little girl on a "date" to teach her she needs to be respected in what is to come in the near future. And their mind goes straight to incest porn??? THAT'S maximum creepy.

Edit: autocorrect not pickin up what I'm puttin down.

[–]The__Tren__Train 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

author projecting their sick fantasies onto men

[–]rocelot7 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well we know what kinda of porn she's into.

[–]KingRobotPrince 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

These ideas force them into the gendered notions of the patriarchy, where men make the choices and women obey. It's only a sidestep from rape culture, and it's my job, first and foremost, to bring my sons up not to rape.

Yes. Picking out a dress for someone and then holding the door open for them is almost exactly the same as rape culture! /s

Are there women reading this and thinking "Yes, that is the same as raping people."?

[–][deleted] 80 points81 points82 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

As a man with daughters, I actually agree with her about the type of date she describes as "creepy". And these dads are priming their daughters to be narcissistic bitches. I regularly go for something to eat or a coffee with one of my daughters, but we talk and have a laugh like human beings. They don't dress up like sluts for me. That IS weird.

[–]RunawayGrain 27 points28 points29 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Back in my little hometown they have 'purity balls.' So dad takes his daughter to this thing, they have a ceremony, and the daughter pledges not to have sex with another guy until she's married.The girl gets a purity ring she's supposed to wear to remind her of her promise. It's orchestrated like a wedding too.

On the ladies side, one of the girls a few grades behind me went all honey boo boo with her daughter. The whole pageant and dress the girl up in more adult clothing and slather on the makeup thing. That was super creepy too...

[–]xscott71x 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

“another”?

[–]The__Tren__Train 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

yeah, a lot of women (especially with religious backgrounds) will do and re-do this ritual after every guy they fuck..

commonly known as the 'born again virgin'. helps them sleep at night i guess

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

this is why I would rather date an athiest girl... Something about pumping up your own ego and stuff with god and purity bs

[–]Mild111 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You don't need to believe in dieties to believe that virginity is special and that sexuality soils a person somehow.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

not at all, but it doesn't really help

[–]The_Best_01 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, and I also agree with her that women shouldn't expect men to do everything for them lest, as you say, they turn into narcissistic bitches (who are a fairly large portion of women). But once she mentions "patriarchy" she goes full retard.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not so much creepy as forced.

People have a tendency to create spectacles to try and offset essentially ignoring people for months on end, as if the grander the spectacle is, the more you're expected to forget that they haven't called you in three months. If we're moving into that with our children, we've lost sight of the end goal.

You shouldn't have to schedule a date and turn it into an event to spend some one on one time with your daughter.

[–]rocelot7 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think we have to careful not to condemn outdated traditional practices and the tradition itself. The basic idea of a ceremonial event where a father says goodbye to their little girl and acknowledge that she's, at least becoming, a women and an adult of her ownself isn't absurd and kinda sweet practice. The beauty pageant standards and no sex till marriage hold little value today, but a communal "bat mitzvah" of sorts isn't a horrible tradition.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's different though, that's a once off ceremonial thing, not a "date night" every month. The latter is just setting your daughter up for major daddy issues down the road.

[–]rocelot7 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well it depends on what you mean by date night. Is this just an excuse to spend quality time between father and daughter, dress up nice, go somewhere nice, etc.. Than I don't see what the problem with that is. I do the same thing with my aunt (I'm like the only family she has left.) Like I said lets not the condemn the tradition itself for its outdated practices.

[–]v574v -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's priming his daughters to place a high value on their beauty and appearance because that's what future men will desire in a partner. They don't dress like sluts...

The more desireable she is the larger her selection of males will be and the more able she will be to choose a partner and also be able to recognize and weed out bad father (to her kids) behavior.

The purpose of dating is to prove your value in the areas that are desirable to the other sex while they prove their value to you with the ultimate goal of raising children together.

Women lead with I'm healthy and a strong caregiver - everthing else is gravy.

Men lead with I'll protect you and I'm able to provide material wealth - everything else is icing.

Most men and women are happy in these roles but their are some that aren't and they should be acknowleged. The article is written by one that isn't and that's fine, but they aren't typical and we shouldn't pretend they are.

To that person 'patriarchy' is typical human sex selection.

[–]KingRobotPrince 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

women don’t need men to do things for them. We don’t need some big, bad patriarchal figure to hold the door or compliment our inner beauty

Do these types ever think that they may not be speaking for all women? Or that the majority of women might think the exact opposite? Do they care that there may be 10% of people who think like them but they are trying to speak for all women?

[–]IronJohnMRA 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Do these types ever think that they may not be speaking for all women?

No. The main reason being most women have said nothing in opposition to feminist talking points for decades. Moreover, many women did exactly what feminists wanted in terms of their personal and professional lives. Their silence and cooperation spoke volumes in terms of cooperation. And the feminists heard them loud and clear.

[–]isaywatiwantbitch 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

women don’t need men to do things for them

good, off to war you go!

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So what’s next? No male teachers in grade school cause all men can’t be trusted around little boys and girls?

You gotta have a pretty low opinion of men to even espouse that idea.

The feminists are haters!

[–]Swiss_Cheese9797 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But gender studies taught me Misandry isn't real!

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What doesn't enforce Patriarchy?

[–]Baconbeatseverything 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You got me there man.

[–]The_Best_01 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

and that's because boys don't need to be socialized into a female-dominated society.

Oh the irony, it hurts.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The appropriate response is an audible "Oh fuck off" and closing the webpage. Hopefully someone asks "What?" and you can say "Some feminist writer thinks fathers taking daughters out is creepy"

[–]Ordinate1 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I find the idea of "Daddy-daughter dates" a little weird, too, but mostly because I don't feel that it's my place to tell my daughter what she should want or expect out of someone that she dates.

I raised her to be a strong, independent young woman (she's 13, now), and I have little doubt that she is willing to stand up for herself if she is not being treated well.

[–]Wsing1974 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Make sure that she pays for her own food too, so you don't enforce the patriarchy.

[–]Dancing_Anatolia 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At least go splitsies.

[–]IronJohnMRA 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You cannot enforce something that does not exist. Please repeat after me, "There is no patriarchy."

[–]Baconbeatseverything 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Who writes this crap? They should really look into getting a job.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Romper is a man-hating rag that pushes Male Genital Mutilation.

[–]Blix_the_Goblin 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The daddy issues this author has must be off the scale, wouldn't be surprised if she secretly reads dad/daughter incest stories on Literotica

[–]redmagistrate50[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have a niece, a few years back she decided she wanted to go on a "date" with me. She had me take her to the movies, the park, buy her ice cream and have lunch at her favorite restaraunt.

It was adorable, she fell asleep on the ride back to her mum's house, woke up enough to tell me goodbye then got handed off to her mum.

Fuck this blogger, trying to drive a wedge between men and children.

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmmm, I've never seen this site before, how do we know it's real feminist material? There's been fake stuff floating around so I tend to only get annoyed at the mainstream sites posting shit like this up.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

what about mothers taking their sons out on "dates?" My mom and I went to the museum tons when I was younger and I guess it wasn't a date but it was bonding, she bought me food and we talked a lot.

On a side note I'm still close with her and my father so I guess I'm the embodiment of patriarchy lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's getting more and more obvious that some of these people who call themselves Feminists are really just proposing the idea of exterminating men.

To which I say, best of luck continuing the human race.

[–]bottleofwhisky 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is one of the most ridiculous articles I've ever read. This woman is not being objective, obviously, which is evidenced by the way she describes fathers in this article as "big, bad", "creepy", incestual rapers. It's very clear that she views men as basically evil patriarchs, which is quite odd considering this woman has three boys and is married to a man. A quick look into her other posts will reveal what a terrible person this lady is. Extremely psychologically fucked up.

I am a father to a daughter, and this article truly makes me sick. I love my daughter very much and these accusations that fathers raping their daughters is "almost commonplace" are so unfounded and ridiculous, but also downright sickening. It is vitally important, and healthy, for daughters to spent time with their fathers. It is even more important these daughters don't end up man-hating psychopaths like this sad woman.

[–]aussietoads -4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago* (20 children) | Copy Link

Just one more example of the notion that a feminist's IQ would be raised with a lobotomy.

Edit: Actually, no, nothing can raise the IQ of a 'F'eminist.

[–]Mike00889 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

How are you helping anything or furthering the discussion by throwing out hollow insults? Don't make us look bad.

[–]aussietoads 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Your lack of a funny bone is showing.

[–]Mike00889 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Your comment history of being a toxic burden on this sub is showing. Don't show up now to play it off as a joke.

[–]Baconbeatseverything 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

So how does the virtue signaling work for you online? I bet you get all the bobs and vegena.

[–]Mike00889 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You made it to arguing a logical fallacy pretty quickly. Care to take a shot at the actual argument first?

[–]Baconbeatseverything -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The actual argument is you not getting jokes. So I’m down.

[–]Mike00889 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It wasn't a joke. Both of your comment histories suggest that it was sincere, and you both make those kind of comments frequently and not in jest. It makes us look bad and doesn't further our position in any way. That's the actual point, if you care to discuss it with me.

[–]Baconbeatseverything 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In this point in life, I reflect and wonder if some richard I encounter online, is the brink of my identity. You’re the one that let me know how wrong I am for giving idiots feelings online? The one soul out of billions on earth that let me know how shitty I should feel for giving you your feelings? Ya know what buster? You don’t mean anything other than the shit on my shoes after stepping on dog shit. Nothing. If you were a Morty, I’d trade you in dead on principles alone. You mean nothing more to me, than a diaper I changed on my now transgender trump supporting nephew Chandler.

You will fart on the day we came to know each other, butthead.

P.S. if you don’t use wet wipes, combined with toilet paper as a drying agent to clean your asshole, your britches stink.

[–]Baconbeatseverything -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Where did you go? Mr. Mansplaining jokes?

[–]Baconbeatseverything -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m so glad I don’t take the internet seriously.

[–]aussietoads -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

I'll show up and say and write as I please. Tone police, virtue signallers and concern trolls can GFThemselves.

[–]Mike00889 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Does using buzz words and unfounded personal attacks make you feel better about not having any actual substance to defend your argument or answer the questions I asked you?

[–]aussietoads -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

You mean buzz words like 'buzz' and 'toxic'. I wrote sardonic assertions, not an argument to defend, and I couldn't care less what you think of those assertions.

[–]Mike00889 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I asked you how your statement helped the community or furthered the conversation. You couldn't answer, so you tried to back off and change the subject. You have no real substance, and show no signs of coming up with any, so I'm not going to keep asking. Have fun being a detriment to men's rights I guess.

[–]aussietoads 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeh right, I'll think of all the important contributions you make towards helping men (such as writing comments in a reddit sub) while I'm showering or bathing, toileting, wiping asses, shaving and grooming, medicating, transporting and generally helping elderly/disabled male veterans to live a reasonable life.

P.S. You can ask whatever questions you like. I'll answer or ignore whatever questions I like.

[–]-Master-Builder- -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If someone covers their body in feces, would it be insulting to say they stink? People who openly and loudly use flawed logic to justify their racism and sexism are idiots, and it is not an insult to call them such.

[–]Mike00889 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

How do you ever fix it if you just resort to name calling? How do you teach someone their logic is wrong and educate them on your point of view by recommending they get a labotomy?

[–]Baconbeatseverything 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think it was one of those things we use to call “jokes”.

[–]Mike00889 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Uh huh... Captain comments "feminism is cancer" on multiple threads today is here to tell me to lighten up everybody.

[–]Baconbeatseverything -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well it is.

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