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Mother of TV star Caroline Flack rejects an apology given by Metropolitan Police over the handling of her daughter's case. Flack was facing prosecution for assaulting her boyfriend when she killed herself in February 2020

Kagedeah

March 13, 2023
63 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64909550
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Title Mother of TV star Caroline Flack rejects an apology given by Metropolitan Police over the handling of her daughter's case. Flack was facing prosecution for assaulting her boyfriend when she killed herself in February 2020
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Kagedeah

Upvotes 63
Comments 21
Date March 13, 2023 5:15 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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Comments

[–]ExMuzzy 47 points48 points49 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There was strong evidence of Flack being abusive towards her boyfriend at the time. Why would the met need to justify charging her with a crime? The family aren't owed an apology.

An example of female on male abuse and what do we get? "Be kind" and the police apologising for charging an abuser.

It's also weird that CPS declined to prosecute even given the evidence. Normally, they wouldn't care if the vicitm doesn't wish to prosecute but the genders played into their decision.

[–]AirSailer 42 points43 points44 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"She lost her job straight away, without even being found guilty or going to court."

Feminists made the world work like this, but apparently it's only bad when it affects women.

[–]ERiC_693 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sounds a lot like Johnny Depp's case. Suddenly it happens once to a white female and the BBC is drooling & slobbering all over her. Pathetic.

[–]ladertry 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Was about to point out the hippocracy

[–]gratis_eekhoorn 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

she wasnt even fired, she quit herself and her employer even said "the door will always be open for her"

[–]intactUS_throwaway 63 points64 points65 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She offed herself because... she was facing the likelihood of being held accountable for something it sounds like she actually did and couldn't be arsed to put on her big girl pants and take a bite of her humble pie like any man would have to?

Cry me a river. No apology should have been issued. If she didn't want the publicity of an assault trial, she should have kept her hands to herself.

I'm not wholly without sympathy for her mother. She still had to bury her child. But the fault for that lies entirely with said child and no one else.

[–]UnconventionalXY 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not necessarily, she probably learned behaviour from her Mother and other women and/or they never stopped her in the past, so they are partly responsible for facilitating criminal behaviour.

I remember decades ago about the admonishment to count to 10 before acting on emotional impulse. It was wisdom, yet you don't hear any parents encouraging that reason-moderating-impulse step more recently. If they had drilled it into mens and womens heads, perhaps she would not have struck him with the lamp if she had counted to 10 first. Women don't think they should have to reason, just respond to whatever emotional impulse happens to them with no responsibility.

[–]Unnecessary_Timeline 26 points27 points28 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

A coroner later ruled the presenter killed herself because she knew she was facing prosecution and feared the publicity a trial would attract.

Uh, since when do coroners give motive behind any person's death? I have only ever seen them include the medical cause of death, and whether it was homicide, suicide, accident, or unknown.

Also, it's not like the incident was that she "only" slapped him or pushed him or something:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/23/entertainment/caroline-flack-pleads-intl-scli-gbr/index.html

The former host of the hit British reality show “Love Island” hit her boyfriend with a lamp while he was asleep

One of the police officers who arrived at Caroline Flack’s home after the alleged assault described the scene as resembling a “horror movie,” the court heard

“He said he had been asleep and was hit over the head by Caroline with a lamp, causing a visible cut to his head,” Weiss said.

On a call to the emergency services, Burton was “almost begging the operator to send help,” Weiss said, according to PA. “Both were covered in blood and in fact one of the police officers likened the scene to a horror movie,” Weiss said.

[–]Ferbuggity 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Uh, since when do coroners give motive behind any person's death?

My exact thought right there!

"Following her arrest, Caroline was taken by ambulance to hospital
because she had self-harmed. She was later locked in a cell for 24
hours, which her mother believes was unnecessary."

So she's blunt force assaulting her partner while he sleeps, and self harming -- but her mother relentlessly blames the cops for doing exactly the job they ought to do.

Methinks mum has her own issues...

[–]Jonny_Entropy 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She was covered in her boyfriend's blood when Police arrived and told the attending Officers that she had hit him. He said that he was attacked when asleep in bed. She actually threatened suicide at the scene. At the end of the day, The mishandling of the files had nothing to do with her assaulting her partner and then killing herself. It's sad but the police are not to blame.

[–]EricAllonde 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As others have said: this looks like nothing more than a rare case of a woman experiencing gender equality, being treated exactly the same as a man, and people getting upset about that.

Imagine going to the press and demanding that the police be reformed because they had the audacity of charging your daughter with DV, based on merely catching her red-handed (pun intended), covered in blood and admitting to the violence. How shocking! If ever there is a time that the police should have granted a pussy pass, that was it! Instead they callously treated her the same as a man would be treated in the same situation. Unacceptable!

[–]NeoNotNeo 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Physical and (especially) emotional abuse is not taken seriously enough when perpetrators are women. Especially emotional abuse. It’s always perceived on some level as being a woman. Nagging done every day is emotional abuse but we don’t think of it this way. Hen picking, honey do lists, all these cutsie terms are all abusive designed to break men in the long run.

[–]UnconventionalXY 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not to mention coercion in reducing access to sex if women don't get what they want, to extort compliance.

[–]vaguebiscuits 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If it was a fella, given the "crime scene" photo after she'd assaulted the boyfriend, there would be NO WAY he'd be treated as a victim, no crying for an apology from the police, no sympathies because of bullying. Everyone would, rightly, want him buried under the prison, everyone would be up in arms over just a caution. Sorry not sorry but fuck Caroline Flack and her mother. It's clear who the entitlement was learned from.

If anything the whole saga should be a watershed moment to state that even female perpetrators of abuse and violence will face legal and social repurcussions

[–]Holiday-Somewhere-96 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

We’re doing something we say we hate to do. We don’t know for a fact and will never know this is why these cases should not be publicised.

I can say what it looks like but I can’t say with certainty an innocent person did not kill herself because of constant bullying

[–]Ferbuggity 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can’t say with certainty an innocent person did not kill herself because of constant bullying

She had already self-harmed when arrested, so what "constant bullying" caused that?

[–]arrouk 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You actually have a point. The fact she killed herself while waiting for trial and there was video evidence iirc does show she want innocent

BUT you are right, when it's men we say innocent untill proven guilty and we are not doing that in this case.

[–]Itsdickyv 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I mostly agree - I’d add a small footnote to publicising cases; it shouldn’t happen whilst the case is ongoing.

I think this should be viewed as innocent until proven guilty; anything else is merely speculation really. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[–]UnconventionalXY -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Whilst we shouldn't conclude that this particular person was guilty of the alleged crimes, we can treat it as a hypothetical based on the information to hand: if it was true, what would be the implications, double standards, hypocrisy, etc suggested by the events.

[–]Itsdickyv -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We can, but what benefit is there in exploring the hypothetical in one example? I’m not sure considering what could have happened or any potential implications, etc furthers men’s rights in any productive way - or, put differently, there’s enough actual events to worry about as is, no need to seek further issues, in my opinion.

[–]Money-Comfortable751 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This infuriated me. There was a lot of evidence that Flack seriously assaulted her boyfriend. The Met were duty bound to investigate and having found strong evidence of a serious crime to prosecute. Why does her family get an apology for them doing their job? How entitled and morally bankrupt do you need to be to then reject that apology and claim it is insufficient?

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