White men account for 70% of Michigan suicides, and other suicide facts

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LOL, no, your reading comprehension must suck because I wasn’t talking about existing hospitals. I clearly talked about people not building enough hospitals.

Furthermore, no, they don’t always hire every single worker, including higher tier worker. For example, sometimes there’s not enough demand from the market, and sometimes there are not enough beds.

Surgeons more often than not don’t bring their patients with them. The majority of surgical business is not repeat business for the same diagnosis.

Funny that you claim I’m making an ad hominem attack when I pointed out that the error in your argument was caused by your poor reading comprehension, not a personal attack unrelated to your argument.

Funnier that you then made an authentic and baseless ad hominem attack. How retarded are you to assume that just because you incorrectly believe that I’m wrong, I must be a leftist?

In my opinion, very retarded.

You: (typing furiously because your mind is firmly closed... something you hate leftists for, right?)

HAHA

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Here’s an idea, just throwing it out there—the mostly white legislature across the country passed drug laws that locked up millions of black men for non violent drug crimes, so yeah maybe society seems to expect more from white men but it also seems to criminalize black men more.

And yes I’m saying that most black crime Is a result of the drug war, in Colorado you have white men becoming millionaires from their weed startups for selling the same exact product that black men sold on the streets for decades. It’s a selective economic prohibition of goods that deprived an entire industry to black men despite mostly white owned pharmaceutical companies selling millions of people drugs with side effects ranging from stroke to heart attacks but black men were the real threat because they sold some weed on the street corner lol.

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Isn't it fascinating how speaking out about a lack of love is met with, of all the ironic responses, immense hostility?

Men are killing themselves at higher rates across the board, and the response from people like KorvisKhan is the tiniest manifestation of the fundamental reason why.

Ask yourselves, readers, why someone like KorvisKhan would get so angry about people speaking out about others killing themselves from a lack of love? Why would talking about a lack of love incite such hostility and anti-social meanderings?

Other factors like hormone deficiency are more prevalent in white people than other races, leading them to be more prone to depression and suicide.

Notice how that's simply handwaved away as "the way it as" and as an excuse. They just are, so it's OK, because it is. Change the group and you'd never see that be an appropriate response. That's how you know they're hypocrites. Change the group and watch how their rants become hate speech.

There is no clearer example of the diseased elements of our society, than the hostility brought about from pointing out those who have no love and end their lives because of it. The hostile and dismissive responses show an unconscious element at play that only the naive would ignore.

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This "they're entitled snowflakes so they kill themselves because they didn't get a castle and a CEO position" is so fucking tired...

...all you're doing is dividing the races by telling men to eat shit because people who existed before your birth did so and sometimes you feel the remnants of that so you tell everyone else they deserve shit and any complaints are just them being little pussies who need to man up.

YOU are why people kill themselves. Because unfortunately, among other things, among dwindling economic prospects and a society without values where single mothers and divorces is the norm, modern day "diversity" isn't about us all getting along, it's about vendettas and angry feelings from the past. This is why there's pushback. Because this isn't about getting along. It's about eating shit. And being told eating shit is what you deserve. But we should all get along, and if you kill yourself, it's because you're a pussy who didn't man up.

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perhaps, but not in the data presented in the OP. Deaths in MI specifically and in over some range of years.

the page you cite here is not broken down by gender, and I have a sneaky suspicion that the difference in rates between white and black people in this large data set may be down to a much larger rate among white women than among black women, but that's just a guess.

if you look here https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/suicide.shtml

you can get a better breakdown, notice that white women in this data set have more than 3x the rate of black women (still not close to men) while white men have a rate only a bit over 2x the black rate.

But again, the topic at hand was the data in the OP. Anyway you slice and dice it tho, it comes up dead men, and this is mensrights, so why quibble over the color of the dead bodies.

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These guys don't want the truth. They want to obscure it with racially motivated bias. There's no winning this kind of argument on reddit. Not because I'm lacking the facts to refute them, but because I'm outnumbered by people who share the same radical ideologies. Big coincidence the majority of reddit is white. The second I pulled the pity party out from under them they ganged up like the little hive they are and start using flimsy fake PC tactics to make me seem like I'm insensitive to their crying violin of a plight.

Plain and simple, there's nothing to suggest that white people are killing themselves more because they have it harder.

Whites make up more than 70% of the US population, therefore have the highest suicide rate relative to the population size.

You're not killing yourselves more because you have it harder. There are just more of you so the larger numbers seem significant.

Treat the problems that cause suicide for everyone. This isn't a racial issue. It's a human issue.

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To clarify, the veil of "you can't complain because you ____" leads quickly to horrors. It leads inevitably to, and is the symptom of, hate. Hiding the light, it brings only darkness, and the very lowest of possible futures of pretend happiness.

At best such a one is trying to prioritize focus points. But dismissing genuine atrocities inevitably and instantly corrupts, so it is a dead end for change and resolution of pains. It also creates narrow tunnel vision which clouds judgment, preventing the possibility of appropriate, forthright activism, making discussion impossible and steering astray toward bigotry and cognitive dissonance as inconvenient facts are hidden from thought. Easier that way, but the quick path is the dark side dontchaknow. More painstaking to get all the Ps and Qs to line up consistently without narrowing one's focus, but attempts to silence those with the guts to aim higher broader and deeper aren't wise.

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In 2014, more than 14,000 middle-aged white people killed themselves.

That figure is double the combined suicides total for all blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Pacific Islanders, American Indians, and Alaska Natives.

This doesn't really tell us anything conclusive to say that the rate of minorities suicides is dropping.

It's saying that in 2014, among white Americans ages 45 to 64, 14,000 killed themselves. Whites make up 77% of the country, so it's not a surprise that more whites commit suicides than every other racial group combined. If whites makes up 77% of the country, if the suicide rate is constant for each ethnicity, then they should make up 77% of the suicides.

What we would need is the rate of suicides of each racial group as well as whites and compare that. We don't get that with this article. Again, it is still horrific that men make up 80% of the suicides in the US, but we need to see clear data to show whether or not it is a larger problem in some racial groups than others. Off the top of my head, I feel that Native Americans might be the most troubled group, as I hear they have huge problems with alcoholism.

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Not to make the issue any lesser, but whites do make 80% of the population in Michigan (and even more in other states) and men already make up 80% of all suicides. So while white men making 70% of the suicides seems like a high number, they will always make up the most of most statistics when you look it up by number. If anything, if we are to isolate the amount of white male suicides, white men should make 77% of all male suicides, because they make 77% of the entire US population. So it's actually not as shocking as the headline would make you think. The better statistic to look at is the suicide rate for men by race.

It's sort of how whites make the majority of those incarcerated, yet more black men on average are in jail when you look at population size. This is because whites make up 77% of the US population, yet blacks only comprise up 13%.

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Well the title of the article makes it seem like white men have a suicide epidemic compared to men of other races, yet it doesn't state that white men make up 77% of American men or in Michigan's case, 80% of the men there. If 80% of Michigan men are white, if suicide rates for all men there are equal, they should make up 80% of the suicides for men there. Yet we have replies here such as "That's insane!" or "That's horrible!".

I did some quasi-math and the suicide rate for white men in Michigan should be around 64% of all suicides (including women), so 70% is still higher than normal, but it's not astronomical as the title would seem to imply.

The point here is that the title is throwing off the real issue here which is not race, but gender. The shocking point is that men make up 80% of suicides, not that whites make up 80% of the population.

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you have no evidence that any of those things are true. you have no evidence that

women "try" to commit suicide more but dont succeed. men do it in a much more voilent manner, and succeed more

and it has a kind of obvious prior implausibility, People who try to kill themselves tend to do a little research, they would quickly encounter information on the average success rate of any given method. Also one does not become a 'victim of attempted suicide' necessarily by trying to kill themselves. One need only tick that box on a questionnaire or say as much to some doctor or social worker.

you have no evidence that

men dont lean on their friends as much as women

I mean, depending on what you mean by lean on

and you have no evidence that

men dont talk about their feelings

is at all relevant to the topic of suicide.

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You aren't wrong.

How do we solve these things?

Teach and allow men to create intimate friendships with other men. This means allowing men to participate in groups that are men only. Those organizations are how we can interact with each other and do positive things that make us feel good. Men are highly discouraged from joining organizations where this sort of thing has happened in the past - fraternities, male-only clubs, boy scouts, local sports teams, and so on that have been forced to either integrate or shut down. If you have a son, encourage him to spend time with other boys his age and allow them to exclude the girls. If you have a husband or boyfriend, encourage him to get involved in a men's group, club, or whatever. Allow him to meet with his male friends after work. If you are a man and see a guy who's being left out or doesn't seem to have a group to belong to, invite him along and bring him in. You may be richer for it and he probably will be too.
Teach men how to work through their negative feelings as men. Most of what men want is to feel safe, wanted, and useful. Encouraging men to have multiple modes to build that feeling in themselves and create a sense of value and security might go a very long way. It isn't talking about feelings like how a woman might do it, but men aren't like women. Simple things where he can get satisfaction can go a long way towards that. Remind him of why he is needed. Remind him that people care about him, that he does have help with his issues if he needs it, and nothing is so bad that his life has to be over.
As for the method effectiveness issue, I doubt there is much that can be done to combat that other than to start banning guns and rope. I am against banning things, personally, so I don't really know what the right solution is there.

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The troubles you are addressing here in your first and second points are valid troubles, but they do not really bear on male suicide.

Teach and allow men to create intimate friendships with other men.

Teach men how to work through their negative feelings as men.

Oh, cry me a river. Feelings are why women kill themselves perhaps, certainly they will be cited in sob stories about 'that one time, in band camp, when I tried to kill myself' but men, unlike women, have REAL problems.

It really seems like women just want men to talk about their pain so that the women can laugh at them and fill their male tears mugs.
There is no evidence that talking about your children having been ripped away,

talking about a life of skill and expertise being devalued and cast aside in favor of some 'diversity barbie',

talking about having the end of your penis chopped off a few days after birth,

talking about learning 'your children' are actually the children of some other man,

talking about saying hello to a woman and getting the response "I have a boyfriend'

or any of the other issues causing these suicides would save a single life.

We are told that women talk more, I mean, lord knows that's true, and yet they 'try to kill themselves more', but men are just better at it, like they are better at so many things.

well, good thing women are so gossipy and inept I suppose, at least according to feminists, as otherwise they would be dropping like flies.

Title	White men account for 70% of Michigan suicides, and other suicide facts
Author	Chaz042
Upvotes	1136
Comments	161
Date	June 9, 2018 5:42 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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