If feminists publicly denounce male aggression, why are women still attracted to aggressive men?

pearl_harbour1941 · 2023-03-22T14:23:04+00:00

You shouldn't be aggressive to me. You shouldn't be violent to me. You shouldn't be an asshole to me.

FIFY.

Women generally want a guy who can stand up to her, protect her from harm, and "do the heavy lifting" both physically and emotionally.

That de facto requires him to be able to be an asshole to other people who may be a threat to her. But not be an asshole to her.

It's encompassed in romantic fiction - the taming of the beast/vampire/psychopath by a woman, so that he is docile towards her, but still potentially an asshole to everyone else. She's the only one that receives special treatment and protection, making her the top of the female dominance hierarchy. It's ovary-teasing stuff.

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What feminists are displaying when they say men shouldn't be aggressive, is their place on the female dominance hierarchy (low) and where they want to be on that hierarchy (high).

JudgementalChair · 2023-03-22T12:14:49+00:00

Not all women are feminists. Also, lot of women who consider themselves to be feminist, are in practice, not feminist at all

Middle_Raisin_7481 · 2023-03-22T14:10:15+00:00

Feminists are not logical. It's become a faith. They will ignore and bend information to fit their view.

They're nuts.

runner557 · 2023-03-22T16:03:01+00:00

What feminists proclaim to want in their idealistic theories, and what real women find biologically attractive and desirable in the real world are not always the same thing.

WorldlinessPlayful72 · 2023-03-22T13:54:25+00:00

It's something rather animalistic. That aggressiveness is related to being a dominant and capable person, which are attributes that are biologically attractive. The most animalistic situation you can see is when a man, in "defending" his girlfriend, goes overboard with another person. Let me give you a simple example, let's say a couple is walking and a stranger says to the girl "Hey beautiful, give me your number, I'd f*** you" and the girl's boyfriend hears it and hits the stranger so hard that he falls to the ground unconscious. In this situation, you will never hear the woman telling her boyfriend that he has gone too far, but rather she will try to justify the aggression by saying that the other guy had it coming. It's a very instinctive situation that demonstrates that a woman is looking for a man who can defend her and that she will justify anything in that sense. Women don't care how aggressive their partner may be as long as it's with the pretext of defending them, that's why they like aggressiveness.

Obviously there are different levels, more or less aggressive people, but in very few cases will you see a woman with a man who is incapable of defending her and obviously the problem is that there are women who do not differentiate between someone who is practically a chimpanzee and someone who is capable of defending them but has an adequate level of intelligence.

suj1290 · 2023-03-22T15:04:45+00:00

Don't care about what females speak.Instead observe what females do.Both are polar opposites

TracyMorganFreeman · 2023-03-22T17:43:53+00:00

Because they only want the aggressive parts that benefit them.

Toxic masculinity is just code for "masculinity that doesn't serve my priorities".

It's trying to shame men for not being more accommodating to women, while victim blaming any suffering men face.

tpn1984 · 2023-03-22T09:53:29+00:00

Women are attracted naturally to Alphas, the aggressive ones. Let them complain all they want since women currently have more freedom and rights than we do already. They were given an inch, and took a whole mile.

Proper_Artichoke7865 · 2023-03-22T17:14:00+00:00

They are attracted to "attractive" aggressive men. Key word being attractive. Both sexes will overlook a great deal of red flags if someone is attractive enough.

If I as a 172cm tall, ugly nerd will act aggressive women will just laugh at me

ZekalMacabre · 2023-03-22T17:40:57+00:00

Because feminists are idiots who don't know the difference between their face and their ass. I guess I can't blame them, shit comes out of both ends for feminists.

hotpotato138 · 2023-03-22T18:50:29+00:00

When women are asked what they prefer in a man, they respond with logic. They don't always choose a man based on logic.

otterdog891 · 2023-03-22T20:14:49+00:00

Feminists overlook behavior if the guy is attractive

WhereProgressIsMade · 2023-03-22T21:40:35+00:00

It's biology. The part of the brain responsible for what a person is sexually attracted to develops during puberty and then is non-plastic, meaning it can't learn. I'd be curious if any studies have been done to try to determine how much of its development is genetic and how much is environment, but I haven't found any.

You have to know how to read between the lines. Most of the "dating advice" given by women for men makes a lot more sense if you simply added a statement a long the lines of, "The bottom 80% of men are completely invisible to me and may as well not exist. This advice is for the men who I'm attracted to (whether they follow this advice or not). And it's not to make the men more attractive to me, it's to make it easier for me to handle him."

Usually an average guy's main issue is they simply aren't attractive enough to get female attention, and that's where they need to focus their effort. If you want advice, get it from guys who have paid attention to what women respond to with their actions and not what women say. Ask a fisherman how to fish, not a fish.

The worst possible sin is to be boring and if you try to give a woman everything she asks for in a relationship, you're going to slip into being boring. Plus even if you somehow hit it, she'll probably just want more. The way to deal with it is to say "no" at least once a month and only try to giver her like 75% of what she wants instead of 100%. Leave her wanting more. Like those TV series where every episode ends on a cliffhanger to keep you coming back.

darthjory · 2023-03-23T15:38:44+00:00

It’s called hypocrisy, my friend. They want endless rights and more accurately, privileges with absolutely none of the responsibility therein.

deeredman1991 · 2023-03-22T18:52:54+00:00

They are protecting their reputation. They want to submit to a furiously horny male who treats them like a sex toy in the bedroom but they don't want their friends and family to know that they like doing anything that would give a man any sort of pleasure, directly or indirectly.

Mainly because they've got a really good thing going being able to carelessly throw shaming language and manipulative rumors around to control us men but they can also use it to destroy each other's reputations if they feel jealous or threatened.

What should men do? Go to another country with women who respect men and haven't been brainwashed into manipulating and playing games with men to extract maximum value for short term gains and long term Ls' all because misery loves company.

vrajaram · 2023-03-23T15:27:33+00:00

>>It's confusing.
>>She says one thing, then she does the other.

u/pearl_harbour1941 explained it very well. To add, one of the theories JP proclaims is that they fantasize about taming aggressive masculine men.

Andrew Huberman says one of the main qualities they look for in men as partners, are those who are "kind" to them and not necessarily to others.

Character_Pirate_618 · 2023-03-23T16:24:48+00:00

Because in wartime, they want males to act as their financial slaves, human sacrifices and human shields.

In peacetime, they want men to act as their financial slaves, human sacrifices and human shields.

Don't fall for it.

DISOBEY

REBEL

DESTROY THE SYSTEM THAT DESTROYS YOU

SouthernSeeker · 2023-03-22T16:39:30+00:00

Natural selection- you can't change biology by simply wanting it hard enough. A lot of the more... posthumanist, let's say, social and political philosophies are rooted in a desire for fairness that would require eliminating biological realities. Short of mass-scale genetic engineering, that's not going to happen, so instead they simply claim there aren't any real differences.

This is ludicrous- a woman COULD, with even dedication and resources, bulk herself up to the point where she's as muscular as the average man, but she won't have his circulation or lung capacity. A man COULD, with enough dedication and resources, train himself to perceive tiny differences in shades of color as well as the average woman, but he won't have her cone cells. It's not limited by sex, either: I've lived as a cultural hermit for a decade and change, and I could still whup 95% of humanity in a game of Trivial Pursuit, nine games out of ten, because Asperger's gives focus and memory capacity that normal humanity simply can't match. But every last one of you would kick my ass in a "listening to people scraping forks across their teeth" endurance challenge; I'd be begging for mercy before you'd even reached the eye-rolling stage.

The question isn't "Why are women turned on by the things they dislike?"; knowledge of prehistory answers that. The question is "Why don't women admit to themselves that these desires may give their children the best genes, but won't give them the best partners, and adjust their behavior accordingly?". And the answer is "for the same reason men don't admit that younger women, while able to give more healthy children than older ones, aren't better partners for that": because society doesn't want us to, and those who challenge it openly get socially ostracized.

The key difference there is that it's pretty much expected that men will reject some part of the social conditioning we're expected to conform to; women are NOT afforded that luxury. The backlash they get is downright brutal if they try.

randomreader5371 · 2023-03-22T17:23:03+00:00

I think most women are attracted to assertive men, not aggressive men.

FanaticUniversalist · 2023-03-23T10:57:33+00:00

Toxic masculinity is a real thing, but where it's harmful, feminists don't care, and where it's a miniscule externality, it's the end of the world for feminists. Women's aggressive men fetish must end.

Stand_kicker · 2023-03-22T10:36:54+00:00

What does this have to do with men's rights?

I understand the need to vent and rant, but not these kind of posts.

If someone says one thing and did the opposite, so be it. It is their wish.

DismalParticular4799 · 2023-03-22T12:23:46+00:00

How old are you? You don't seem to understand what a woman is.

FoolioTheGreat · 2023-03-22T23:51:23+00:00

I do not think the majority of men are "alphas" or even assholes. ButThe majory of men ARE either in a relationship or having sex.

Also I don't think self described feminists are going for aggressive men. I assume you are basing your whole world view on a personal anecdote. But I would love to see any evidence of this.

If you are sincerely asking for advice. The aggresive guy, is probably just more confident. That is what attracts someone. You can be confident without being an asshole. Also you don't need to be a an alpha. Women are not a monolith. There are women that date, marry, and have sex with, fat guys, poor guys, ugly guys, criminals, professors, anything you can imagine. You just need to find a women you are compatible with who likes you for you. You do not need to change. Though, if you live your life blaming yoru problems on women you are really making it much harder on yourself.

Title	If feminists publicly denounce male aggression, why are women still attracted to aggressive men?
Author	EugeneRider
Upvotes	90
Comments	56
Date	March 22, 2023 9:46 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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