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Hollywood's gender age gap exposed: Male actors nominated for Oscars are on average 21.5 years OLDER than their female peers. OP: OR it discriminates against young male actors, men have to work longer and harder to get nominated.

furchfur

February 9, 2020
594 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7969953/Male-actors-age-50-likely-considered-Oscar.html
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Title Hollywood's gender age gap exposed: Male actors nominated for Oscars are on average 21.5 years OLDER than their female peers. OP: OR it discriminates against young male actors, men have to work longer and harder to get nominated.
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furchfur

Upvotes 594
Comments 40
Date February 9, 2020 11:14 AM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/f17ctv/hollywoods_gender_age_gap_exposed_male_actors/
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Comments

[–]BornFreeWE 171 points172 points173 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Both!

Older women are discriminated and

younger men are discriminated.

[–]Dsajames 68 points69 points70 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. And the men don’t have to end their careers at 35.

Her career burns twice as bright for half the time.

[–]dukunt 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Unless your Meryl Streep it seems. But very few can approach the level of career that she's had.

[–]sakura_drop 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't doubt or deny that there is ageism afoot on both sides of the coin in such a youth and trend obsessed industry, but there are a significant number of 'older' actresses who still get high profile work, accolades, and/or lead roles: Glenn Close, Sandra Bullock, Melissa McCarthy, Viola Davis, Cate Blanchett, Jennifer Lopez, Angelina Jolie, Jennifer Aniston, Angela Bassett, Kathy Bates, Penelope Cruz, Renee Zellweger, Michelle Pfeiffer... At the more extreme end of the spectrum, Judi Dench, Maggie Smith, and Betty White are still working away.

EDIT: Helen Mirren.

[–]Mens-Advocate 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Too many here have fallen for actresses' caterwauling. Keep in mind that feminism has convinced too many spoilt, modern women that any obstacle encountered to their least wish (in this case, to be the same sexpot box-office draw at 50 as at 25) must be the fault of men or of "sexist" society when it's their own fault.

Older women are discriminated
end their careers at 35

What bullshit. There are many older actresses:
https://www.thewrap.com/actresses-over-50-who-rule-hollywood/

And among British actresses: Judi Dench, Helen Mirren, Angela Lansbury, Kristin Scott Thomas.

Translated, some older actresses' real complaint is that they can no longer get work solely for exposing their bodies or acting the sexpot.

Russell Crowe tried to point out their error, noting that he himself could not pretend to still be the young bull. Males and some females swallow their pride and act their age (or not, in Grumpy Old Men).

"To be honest, I think you'll find that the woman who is saying [the roles have dried up] is the woman who at 40, 45, 48...still wants to play the ingénue and can't understand why she's not being cast as the 21-year-old," he said.

"Meryl Streep will give you 10,000 examples and arguments as to why that's bullshit, so will Helen Mirren or whoever it happens to be. If you are willing to live in your own skin, you can work as an actor. If you are trying to pretend you're still the young buck when you're my age, it just doesn't work."

Instead of accepting this wise advice, former sexpot Famke Janssen doubled down, telling Crowe to shut up because he's male.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Older men do have more experience

[–]BornFreeWE 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, offcourse.

Why are men only praised for their expierence and not for their 'young power'?

Why are women only praised for their 'young power' and not for their expierence?

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Let's not give the Oscars any power of indicating reality... The Oscars are known to be practically pay-to-win for years... It's money or fame that wins, not talent.

[–]thetrader321 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The big studios are afraid of competition. So if someone makes an amazing film outside of the big studios control it'll get snubbed and buried. Uncut gems is a good example.

[–]DuneBug 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

English patient won over saving Private Ryan. That's really all that ever needs to be said.

Anyone seen the English patient recently? Or ever?

[–]mrkulci 26 points27 points28 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

...wait isn't that also discrimination against older actresses then?

[–]Jucicleydson 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, that's the point they were making.

[–]IronJohnMRA 37 points38 points39 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Blame younger women not men, men aren't taking female roles.

A very good point. I'm gonna remember and use it.

N.B. It's from the comment section.

[–]geniice 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its the people writing and casting the roles that are the issue. There are only a limited number of roles that can realisticaly be nominated for oscars. Men can get cast in these roles across quite a range of ages (but obviously the younger ones are up against men with a lot more experience) where as women find it much harder to get cast as they age.

[–]ThEGr33kXII 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I saw that one and thought it was very appropriate.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or, perhaps, and I'm just guessing here.....

It takes a few years to train an oscar worthy actor.

[–]Arthuyo 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Was that an article or some bizarre ad? And when you are talking about the workforce, age discrimination affects both genders.

[–]walnood 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If we want to be a serious mens right movement we shouldn't cry over things like these. There are serious issues that are ignored, this is just crying. Shouldn't we fund older woman actors when looking at this news? Really far fetched to complain about this...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

We should fund younger men instead

[–]GerinX 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why does the doctor’s credentials in her field give her credibility in judging this supposed age gap?

She also doesn’t factor in discrimination against older actresses or younger actors.

[–]geniice 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why does the doctor’s credentials in her field give her credibility in judging this supposed age gap?

Its fairly straightforward statistics of the type doctors would generaly be expected to understand.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

We’re taking The Daily Mail as a credible news source again?

Edit: downvote away, but there’s a reason it’s referred to as The Daily Fail. This is a clickbait story, so take it with a grain of salt.

Edit2: the aim of the article isn’t to inform, it’s to get us talking and clicking.

There are separate Oscar categories for men and women, so I don’t see what all the fuss is.

Younger women being nominated, means older women aren’t. Older men being nominated, means younger men aren’t.

[–]RomanianAcre 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Who cares if a bunch of elitist pedoscum doesn't receive a prize from this industry?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OR there aren't as many female directors and producers for the young male actors to strike sexual deals with.

[–]Svenskbtch 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or, to play devils advocate, the system, whatever that is, discriminates against older female actors.

It definitely sounds true. With exceptions such as Judi Dench, Helen Mirren, and Meryl Streep, most prominent older actors are indeed male. The likes of Reese Witherspoon reach their peak in their early 30s, while Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp may have yet to see their peak and at any rate are still going strong.

Meanwhile, I can actually think of few male actors under 35 that I, as an absolute amateur, would consider Oscar or Cannes-worthy.

So there are definitely prominent gender aspects to this. Whether that amounts to gender discrimination that we can do anything about is a relatively moot issue. There are some things we simply cannot easily change.

[–]EvilLothar 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's not forget that the men have to be both good looking and have the ability to actually act.

[–]McGauth925 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I believe this. AND, I also believe that many older actresses have had fewer roles available to them - although I don't know if that's still true. That would mean that more older men have access to good roles than older women do.

[–][deleted] 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]CoffeeMugCrusade -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

men don't age better they're just actually allowed to age

[–]AlistairH94 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right, it's illegal for women to be 50.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed all women all around the world over 50 yrs old are on jail, being a women over 50 is a crime

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What does this even mean? This isn’t true at all.

[–]Lorenz99 -4 points-3 points-2 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Most women are shit actresses. They only get where they are based on looks and not talent.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really. That could be the said for males.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

What is this based on? Pretty bold statement.

Edit: rather than downvote. Let’s have the conversation. It’s what the sub is for.

[–]Mens-Advocate 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Please see my comment above. A better wording for /u/Lorenz99's comment would be:

Some women are shit actresses who only get where they are based on sexuality and not talent.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Fair, but I think you could argue that this is the case for both genders. It would be great to see average Joe playing the part, and I respect a talented actor, but in reality, (and I’m as guilty as the rest) we want something pleasing to the eye.

We see comments on here all the time talking about looks, so I’m not convinced that u/Lorenz99’s point holds much water.

[–]Mens-Advocate 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Fair, but I think you could argue that this is the case for both genders.

Certainly not. Actresses sell their sexuality and sexual parts far more commonly and blatantly than actors:

  • Jolie appears stark naked in Gia.
  • One "pop tart" appears naked on a wrecking ball.
  • Many have worn see-through clothing to the Oscars.
  • Even those who have not appeared completely naked, show off their breasts, thighs, buttocks, etc.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, thanks for the reply. Thanks for your opinion too, good point.

I do think that men are sexualised too. You’re getting a better return if you put Ryan Gosling in LaLa Land over a Woody Allen.

Do you think they do that because it sells? This actually stings a bit to admit, but I’d rather see a babe in there than not.

[–]Mens-Advocate 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

/u/Lorenz99 has a point, overlooked or disputed because of his choice of words: Too many young actresses (and other entertainers) substitute their bodies for talent and work, then are shocked when job offers dry up when they're older.

Were males given to blaming "sexism" for all their problems, male actors would complain that they haven't as many opportunities as female actors to gain fame and fortune just by exposing their bodies (porn excepted, of course).

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