in terms of strategy-is it better for men to just have their own spaces/ignore or actively attack radfems?

Enzi42 · 2022-02-14T23:36:00+00:00

Ignore them for the most part. Invest your time effort and resources in uplifting other men and work solely towards efforts to aid men and boys.

That said, it does not mean that you take your metaphorical “eye” away from the other side. Observe their actions, their ideological shifts and fault lines. When it comes time to fight them when they get in the way of a men’s issue, use that knowledge to trip them up or sow infighting.

But unless it is strictly necessary, avoid conflict with feminists and just keep trying to make a difference for the men around you or causes you know benefit us.

iainmf · 2022-02-15T00:46:51+00:00

When you encounter someone who is hostile, it as a opportunity to develop your skills. These opportunities has helped me to sharpen my thinking, refine my arguments, and improve my rhetoric.

Sometimes I like to look at an encounter with a hostile person as a puzzle. How do I bypass the hostility and get something productive out of the conversation?

RhinoNomad · 2022-02-15T09:56:59+00:00

Yes. But I want to be very clear, this does not work when it comes to insitutions.

So many feminist-y types say this to men who bring up male victimization all the time: "Why don't you create your own spaces and do the hard-work that we do yourself?"

While they stand on the shoulders of a 200-year-old movement that has had billions of dollars poured into it each year since the 70s.

Perhaps it's because I'm black, but when feminists voice the "create your own spaces" rebuttal, I hear the "separate-but-equal" argument: that is "separate but equal is inherently equal."

What happens when male spaces are created is that they're underfunded, rejected, or protested out of existence. If there are no resources available for male victims, how the fuck can we compete with organizations who receive millions of dollars in donations every year.

Cfox006 · 2022-02-14T23:30:13+00:00

I believe everyone has a set "mental threshold" basically how much bullshit you can take. Arguing with rad fems unfortunately will never change their minds, ignoring is the best we can do for our own sanities honestly

DekajaSukunda · 2022-02-15T00:15:20+00:00

Just ignore them. No one will benefit from that discussion.

MathematicianNo4277 · 2022-02-15T02:36:08+00:00

Ignore them.

I'm starting to realize they have one thing in common: they are selfish, extremely selfish. They latch onto the ideology because it validates their self-centered behavior.

Three implications: 1. They have nothing to offer you 2. They will manipulate you 3. They will in time alienate the people around them

Do not give them a chance to use you. Do not give them the opportunity to meet the people around you. Do not give them anything at all, they are black holes sucking the life out of you.

They crave attention, they desire interactions they can later retell with them as the tragic hero fighting "toxic masculinity" or whatever. And they will use any occasion to sink their claws into someone if you give them an opportunity.

If people just run away from the toxic waste that they are, in time they will end up alone. In a society alone is powerless, which is exactly what we want them to be.

Just like with nazis, do not engage. See the world as it should be : without them. They certainly do not see you as a human being either.

WeEatBabies · 2022-02-15T05:18:31+00:00

Keep pointing out injustices, the world is rallying slowly!

Super_Solver · 2022-02-14T23:10:56+00:00

Just ignore them. Arguing with them can't change their mind, and will just look stupid and get frustrated in the process.

AskingToFeminists · 2022-02-15T08:50:41+00:00

Honestly, it really depends on the circumstance and on yourself.

No general rule to be offered.

It's false to say that arguing with them won't change their minds. You won't get to see it, because nobody ever ended a debate with "omg, you're right, I need to rethink my whole worldview!". Doesn't mean though that interaction upon interaction won't start the wheel turning, resulting after some time into a change of heart. Or not. You probably won't know unless you interact very regularly with that person.

There's also various ways of interacting with someone, depending on the circumstances. Debate and confrontation is more appropriate in public settings, and work better on the audience, if you're good at it. Friendly nonconfrontational socratic inquiry works better 1 on 1 and for repeated interactions, although it's a different skill set.

It also depends how much you enjoy/tolerate conflict, dealing with BS, what your limits are, and so on.

Find what suits you.

Ausiwandilaz · 2022-02-15T18:49:37+00:00

Block them out. You can't fight with radicals, you can't change their mind by arguing logical points to them, they are brainwashed and Will never think logically.

UnHope20 · 2022-02-16T04:19:04+00:00

I can't tell you what "The best strategy" is because that will depend on your goals. For me, my goals are to help people live happier, lengthier, more fulfilled lives.

If I see that a group of people aren't doing so well, I try to step in to help however I can. Part of that means helping boys and men.

So that is what I focus on: boys and men.

My advice to people in this community is not to waste their time talking to or arguing with YKW.

Why would you waste your time arguing with someone who hates you (Assuming that you're male) ?

You will either end up leaving frustrated, getting piled on by multiple people because they love intellectual gngbngs or assaulted/arrested.

Or

They may decide to ruin your reputation and start some bad rumors about you in school or work. Let me tell you that people will believe some of the worst rumors. You'll lose friends, dating opportunities, jobs and a lot of other things.

Why even risk all of that to tell someone something they will NEVER consider because they hate everything that you.

TheSnesLord · 2022-02-17T01:46:05+00:00

When we encounter radfems do we just block/ignore and express our concerns amongst ourselves? Or actively attack it publicly?

We lose either way.

Therefore take the option of block/ignore, enjoy life and hope that eventually enough men wake up and go against the feminist crap to the point where you can return to the culture war and have a better chance of winning.

Title	in terms of strategy-is it better for men to just have their own spaces/ignore or actively attack radfems?
Author	rochesterslim
Upvotes	35
Comments	26
Date	February 14, 2022 8:48 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
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