Liberal

shit-zen-giggles · 2023-05-04T06:04:04+00:00

OP, please remember to use a descriptive title in the future. It's in our sub's rules

pyrolover6666 · 2023-05-04T06:53:55+00:00

us liberals

dude can you stop with the tribalism? Throw away the stupid label and fight for what you believe in.

shit-zen-giggles · 2023-05-04T06:01:34+00:00

arguing for mens rights is seen as a right wing thing

not anymore: Male inequality, explained by Richard Reeves

see also: https://ofboysandmen.substack.com/

more articles from/about Richard: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/11k5gfb/comment/jb6034g/

a-man-from-earth · 2023-05-04T05:48:01+00:00

That's why /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates was started, to show people on the left that men's advocacy also has a space on the left.

AvailableCandidate89 · 2023-05-04T15:22:55+00:00

I think the better question is why do you have to check that the people fighting for the same values you want to fight for are wearing the same uniform.

Maybe you should look into why the uniform matters more to you than doing the right thing

Angryasfk · 2023-05-04T08:56:08+00:00

Of course it’s seen as “right wing”. Feminists have essentially taken over the left and “left liberals”, indeed especially “left liberals” so anything that doesn’t follow the feminist line is going to be labelled “right wing”, indeed “extreme right”. If feminists didn’t do that, they may lose control of the left.

MrRonchito · 2023-05-04T10:06:29+00:00

Well, your whole ideology is used right now to force a way to think and act, if you try to get out of that box, you'll be banned from said group, so don't expect any logic or reason coming from current liberals...

Harsh-Pain-No-Gain · 2023-05-04T07:26:30+00:00

I am right wing, conservative and in my Honest Opinion, Modern Liberalism is Man-Hating, woke and going against Mere Common Sense, so I will never tolerate it.

Some of you think that right wing and conservative means pressuring men to do for example dangerous chores or suppress their emotions. No, this is just mere cruelty. I am right wing woman, because right wing women are more likely to show respect to the men which they deserve.

CrowMagpie · 2023-05-04T20:17:49+00:00

There are plenty of people on this sub who are anti-conservative and anti-traditionalist and anti-right. It really isn't a right vs left thing, whatever the perception.

PUMA-420 · 2023-05-05T07:35:14+00:00

Because Grandmas who missed out on getting married and instead focused on being a "boss babe" can't accept the fact that they are undesirable, so they use shaming tactics to get men to move towards, when in reality the high-value men don't give a fuck about whqt they feel and only the simps buy into their bullshit and marry them.

Clockw0rk · 2023-05-04T10:09:19+00:00

Women, not just feminists but ALL women, seem to embrace in-group bias and stranger danger more than men do, period. This automatically lends itself to an "us vs them" mentality when it comes to gender related topics.

Unfortunately, yes, Feminism is a capitalist institution at this point and America is nothing but undermined by capitalists motivations instead of its people. "Conservative" values are ineffective backwater bullshit rooted in traditionalism rather than rationality or any sort of social progress. In the US, this has manifested as "crony capitalism"... or the unchecked pursuit of greed. It also means that any form of social progress is automatically deemed liberal or "Leftist" when human rights should be a centrist position at best. Due to this, Feminism is assumed to be liberal because it claims to be a form of social progress, even though it's often plainly female supremacy.

Mix "us vs them" and "yay women equals progress", and you have the super simplistic conclusion that men's rights must be, somehow, right wing.

That's horseshit. Being pro-human rights is progressive. Supporting Egalitarianism is inherently liberal and always will be.

Sir_vendetta · 2023-05-04T07:06:47+00:00

You can be centre-left, which I think is what fits better on the MRA movement without going full right wing.

WeEatBabies · 2023-05-04T14:11:25+00:00

There was a poll here about like 8 months ago and 60% of us identify as left wing.

Also, join us at r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates

Unnecessary_Timeline · 2023-05-04T05:43:12+00:00

Yes. I’m a leftist American and I agree.

It is because the American Center-Right, aka mainstream Democrats, are in no way leftist. They are center right at best. They’re “Liberal” in the classical sense. Liberal isn’t leftist. It does not incorporate concepts of social equality or egalitarianism or labor force.

The American Democratic Party are cowards. If they fully embraced Mens Rights via being anti-Draft, or publicized funding for male contraceptives, or publicized the damn near purposeful anti-male deficiencies in public education, they could regain ground on male boomer and Gen-X voters.

But they never will because Feminism is, at least in the US, a conglomerate of private corporations whom generate profit. Profit specifically meant to influence US and Western governments. Feminism is a Capitalist institution now. Pretty fucking ironic.

This is not an advert for conservative values. Conservative values will not bring men freedom from values that compel us to wage slavery or lifelong servitude to the elder women or wives or youngest girls in our communities.

This is a PSA highlighting that Democrats are not Leftists, they are centrist at best. I believe going further Left is the answer.

Abolish these gender roles about which gender must generate economic revenue.

About which gender should die for the other.

About which gender should take physical punishment or physically handicap themselves over decades of labor, just to provide comfortable lives for his spouse and children.

These are Leftist, or “Socialist” ideologies…but they’re not typically Liberal ones.

Title	Liberal
Author	Molten_bread
Upvotes	28
Comments	56
Date	May 4, 2023 5:25 AM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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