JustPearlythings and other female creators are a net positive to men’s rights as they spread heaps of awareness on issues even if they’re just doing it to ‘grift’. Awareness and knowledge on men’s rights and issues should be spread as far and wide as possible! Thoughts?

Current_Finding_4066 · 2023-09-21T09:13:55+00:00

JustPearlythings says some things that make us look bad. But at the end of the day feminist never clean up their own house of extreme misandry. So, who cares.

DataBingo · 2023-09-21T13:36:04+00:00

Agreed. No one is going to be willing to speak up for men unless they can also make money at the same time. That kind of unconditional support only exists for women

BoomTheBear86 · 2023-09-21T06:10:52+00:00

I think women supporting men’s rights is “good for business” as we know women have stronger in-group bias than men, so are more receptive to things when women say it.

This said, the above is a generalisation I believe. I do think however they also need to be very careful about how they say what they say in case that same in-group bias can be weaponised against them and render the message even more rejected by women.

JPT is an example of this. For example despite the fact she talks about how “divorce is bad for men” which is helpful, her take is “divorce should honestly be illegal”.

That’s a moronic take and if women who do listen to her think that she is simply saying “what men’s rights folks actually think” that is going to switch off pretty much the majority of possible female understanding. Divorce is of course an issue but that is an extreme solution.

I guess my point is I think having women supporters is important and overall a net benefit but they have to be competent supporters for that to work, and I don’t think JPT is a competent supporter. This may be related to it “being a grift” or not, because saying explosive things makes her controversial, which nets views, but it doesn’t actually then make what she is doing helpful.

I know a lot of men who see divorce as bad for men. Generally it is. However I don’t think I’ve spoken to one who thinks that making divorce against the law is the solution. That is what Pearl has been on record as saying. Whether she actually believes it or not is another thing altogether, but I don’t think it’s helpful to have someone like her in our corner.

That has nothing to do with her being a woman however. This said the fact she is a woman doesn’t mean we should just “give her a pass” because she claims she is an ally, if her ally ship creates bad optics.

She’s also supported and defended an individual who essentially argued that race mixing was bad and that men should oppose their female relatives race mixing and stop them doing it. When challenged she tried to shift the goalposts of what the guy actually said and what she was defending. The problem is the guys words were very clear and it’s pretty clear he was explicitly saying men should stop women they know engaging in “mixed relationships” whereas Pearl claimed she was defending peoples individual choice to partner up with people in their own culture. That is not even close to what the dude said.

The fact she can’t see the difference (or doesn’t care to) tells me she doesn’t have the nuance required to helpfully try and spread awareness of men’s rights because just mindlessly crowing and then shrugging afterwards and saying “I don’t care” is not good enough.

Oh yeah, then there’s also the “women shouldn’t be able to vote” comments she’s made. I don’t understand how anyone can think people associating her with mainstream men’s rights is helpful at all. She says the things which people claim the “boogeyman parody” of men’s rights say and gives legitimacy to their perception of men’s rights as thus, but doesn’t talk a good talk on the actual serious issues.

When she comes up against opposition on the more studied issues, with stats and stuff, she crumbles big time and retreats to the land of “I don’t know, I just don’t feel like that is true” and that’s it. That’s her defence. She uses the exact “feels over reals” strategy she openly ridicules women for when making her generalised points. So by her own logic, we shouldn’t really listen to her. But apparently we should, because she’s a woman who agrees with the general spirit of what we say? I don’t think so. MRA is about equality, and if we expect our opponents to argue in good faith and criticise them for waving their hands because “I feel” then it’s hypocritical of us to support women (and men) who do the same to support our corner just because they claim they’re in our corner. It gives the impression MRA has no underlying logic to it and boils down to “you disagree with me so you’re wrong”.

Sorry for the long comment. But she is not helpful. Woman supporters absolutely can be but she is not an example of one of them.

joygasm0420 · 2023-09-21T12:01:31+00:00

It brought me awareness I didn't fully understand what was happening until I came accross this stuff and then I made the connections now my eyes are wide open

Hubris1998 · 2023-09-21T14:58:06+00:00

nah she's a hypocrite and nothing short of a psyop to make anti-feminism look evil

ElisaSKy · 2023-09-21T10:33:59+00:00

Hot take: I don't care how much money someone makes or doesn't make advocating for men. I don't consider money, or the act of making it, to be the Ultimate Evil.

I'm much more interested in more people having an accurate diagnosis of the issues, even if the proposed "cure" is stupid, unrealistic to deploy, or even worse. At this point, having and spreading an accurate diagnosis is already progress. From what few videos I've watched, the diagnostics is pretty well posed.

Does she do it for money/clout/whatever? Maybe. Does she propose outrageous "solutions" for creating a controversy she knows will get her money/clout/other? Maybe.

BUT

if more people finally hear the truth about the issues, even if the offered solutions are "out there", and even if people speak the truth for purely 100% selfish motives...

Well, I'll take it, and I'll try to find a way to make it count.

BigTradeDaddy · 2023-09-23T02:48:07+00:00

I love Pearl; although at times she can be a bit extreme against her own gender 😂

shit-zen-giggles · 2023-09-21T04:37:21+00:00

Pretty much agree with this. Have stated it multiple prior occations

MembershipWooden6160 · 2023-09-21T08:14:02+00:00

Thing is that Pearl doesn't believe or practice whag she preaches, neither would want to, nor the things she preaches cab be ebforced upon her - because the very feminism she bashes. At best, I'd say she's ultra-conservative leaning. Still bear in mind, though, that these very ultra conservatives, including women, ESPECIALLY WOMEN, are not any more prone to not abort a child they don't want, only very fringe groups actually practice abstinence, there's next to NO difference in sepration or divorce rate (with only real exception being that there are more conservative-leaning migrants who marry and thus they skew separation/divorce rate a bit down... those are definitely not your typical protestants or born-again christians, in fact it's actually mormons Bengali/Pakistani muslims, Indian Hindus/Sikhs, even Latin Catholics who bring down the divorce rates instead!).

People can vote down as much as they want and as I said, Pearl may be of a very, very fringe group, but she's likely not. I've did some quick click-through on "manosphere women", including MRA and TRP voices on Youtube and other platform. They are more likely to be divorced, single mothers and so on than an average population (mainly in line with US stats, once you exclude the immigrants!) and also more likely to be Conservative leaning... and we all know who "maintains" or touts about "maintaining tradition"... but obviously only for men, because I don't see what's traditional about being divorced, single mom and so on. I don't even care enough, nor can I get their medical records data to see likelihood of having a divorce or using day-after pill and other "contraceptive" measures. I am also unable to confirm about their likelihood to either be waiting for marriage, or having their husbands as first sexual partners. So in my eyes, it all comes down on pure talk while using SAME options feminism secured for them, while denying it for men by the very virtue of calling upon Conservativism.

Let's absolve one thing for all times, whether you are liberal or conservative, or any other political leaning - as MRA you must support men having their options. Let these men be whatever they want and make any choice they want - but they must have that choice. I don't see Pearl in that camp, I can see her telling some ultra-conservative stuff - but she has and makes all the choices for herself if she changes her mind. Same goes for other personas that somehow rank "high" around, i.e. Mikayla Peterson (Jordan Peterson's daughter), Karen Straughan (girlwriteswhat), list goes on. MRA must be apolitical in the sense on ensuring options for men, not being an appendix of either Liberal or Conservative narrative... and if you ask me, neigher of the who supoorts men's rights anyways, but either is just using it for cheap political points when in opposition, oe when they simply want to talk the talk without making a move towards, much less to enable real change for men's issues.

RatchedAngle · 2023-09-21T14:40:52+00:00

JustPearlyThings has completely screwed over multiple employees (including men) with garbage contracts. She’s a “boss babe” through and through. She runs her own company, and she has openly questioned male rape victims.

She does not support men. She’s just making money off of men the same way sex workers do, just with a different form of parasocial brainwashing designed to catch men’s attention.

Women recognize her game and that’s why she’s hated among women.

Some men recognize her game and call her out.

Either way, this is not the person you want spearheading your movement.

imperator285 · 2023-09-21T16:30:18+00:00

She's a rich girl who says only rich people should have all the political power. Yikes.

Mgtow_savage · 2023-09-21T05:04:20+00:00

If only they walked the walk. They love to talk about how women should date nice boys instead of bad boys but they’re all going for the bad boys themselves lol

ButWhatOfGlen · 2023-09-21T23:13:21+00:00

Completely agree. I helps a lot that she's a female too. As we know, females tend to "groupthink" and the more females strike back at femist dogcrapma, the safer they'll feel about agreeing.

Mobile_Lumpy · 2023-09-21T15:09:37+00:00

When you are desperate(MRA), we can't be choosers. A famish persom do not complain what he is offered to eat.

No_Soft_263 · 2023-09-21T16:03:37+00:00

Love her

Serge_Suppressor · 2023-09-21T15:30:29+00:00

If Warren Farrell can grift, why can't Pearly? It's a positive development that MRAs are moving towards being an equal opportunity grifter support group.

Huntress_Nyx · 2023-09-21T09:28:05+00:00

One of my favourite content creators that helps both men and women with her content is The Dadvocate.

She's pretty amazing, funny and educational. And also helps men to understand women's behaviour, and women to understand men's behaviour.

I suggest you take a look at her.

Mycroft033 · 2023-09-21T12:28:15+00:00

If you want a more balanced (in my opinion) creator, look up Lauren Chen

aigars2 · 2023-09-21T14:13:03+00:00

As red 💊 at least they bring out stats feminism is choosing to plainly ignore.

AcrobaticDig5710 · 2023-09-21T15:00:43+00:00

Honestly I'm just not into pearl, personally I'm not into alot of people who grift on the rp sphere like sneako. Though i still prefer younger guys listen to them than these people blaming men for all things .

My reason i am not super into her, If someone wants to use rollo tomassi's work, they should actually read and understand it before trying to make money off of it. Not just parrot bullet points and anything he says in jest.

His work helped me make it so I was able to date a ton more and sort through shitty women with a rp lens. I ended up in a marriage, vetting from a lens his knowledge gave me and it's by far the best relationship i have ever had due to my understanding of social dynamics from him. Anyone who wants to push coles notes of his work then says idiotic things due to lack of understanding, is not doing men any favors. Using his work i helped coach a young man without a father out of a terrible relarionship.. then lent him the book and he's more empowered in social dynamics than ever and actually is aside in control and dating women super into him.

I literally owe a lot to this guy and people like pearl are the reason he has to go around doing damage control so much.

Sad_Bell_6266 · 2023-09-22T12:40:41+00:00

another positive is that we get to call them out whenever they say something wrong. something that feminists have failed to do with overt misandrists and horrible women who have done horrible things. at the end of the day anything a woman says or does against feminism, even if it comes with moronic statements like "women shouldn't be allowed to vote" is good business for MRM, it's one of the reasons why TheRedPill is in quarantine and RedPillWomen isn't.

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