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Domestic Violence Isn't Just A Female Issue

warmy1818

January 13, 2024
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Date January 13, 2024 11:02 PM UTC
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[–]imextremelymoderate 36 points37 points38 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Crazy story. When I was 11 my mom called the cops and told them I hit her and she had bruises to prove it. Of course I denied the false allegations and the cops asked me to provide a statement. Not sure if she was trying to scare me into submission or get me sent to juvenile hall. That was decades ago, and I don't speak to her anymore

[–]Gold_Supermarket1956 32 points33 points34 points 2 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

DV for men is pretty much she can beat on ya and you can't do anything... You call the cops and she will hurt herself to make it look like you put hands on her

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -28 points-27 points-26 points 2 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Women are picked up constantly in the US for DV.

[–]Gold_Supermarket1956 28 points29 points30 points 2 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Lol where.. most states if a women has a mark on her regardless if the guy was more beat up... And what you're talking about is lesbian couples as they have the highest DV rate

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -23 points-22 points-21 points 2 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Is this anecdote or fact?

[–]TenuousOgre 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

That lesbian couples have the highest rate of dv is fact.

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

For a type of DV, maybe.

[–]Reddit_Is_Soft01 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

You still didn’t provide any factual evidence or articles, you literally had a chance to not use your feelings and factual evidence. But yeah obviously more women are gonna make claims for DV…how many of them are false? That’s the real question

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

How many accusations of men are false?

[–]Reddit_Is_Soft01 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And before you say that’s not that much. It should be 0. The fact a woman can come up with lies and face no consequences for her actions is why more are doing it. If you faced time for false rape or dv allegations there wouldn’t be as many false allegations as there is now.

[+]Reddit_Is_Soft01 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

2-10% doesn’t take that much effort to look up things instead of dodging accountability

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You're saying men lie about this 2-10%?

[+]Reddit_Is_Soft01 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice try trying to put words into my mouth. You asked how many accusations of men are false. Meaning how many men are falsely acccused and you try to reword. You women are something else fr.

[–]Anonymous_299912 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can you even tell the difference between the two?

[–]Anonymous_299912 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That right there is a logical fallacy. Suppose there were more cases of male DV than female DV. This does not lead to female DV being right. And it certainly doesn't lead to justifying female DV.

This is like saying to a woman, men suicide more. So cheer up butter cup, your suicide attempts mean nothing.

[–]FinancialAbuseMelbou 26 points27 points28 points 2 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

My baby daughter has recently become terrified of shoes because the day I got a protection order against her mother, I was beaten with them.

She is constantly checking the fridge for food because we were deprived of it and it’s now got a few basics in it so she wants to make sure it’s still there.

She is carrying around her empty happy meal box because she had her first happy meal after her mother was banned from the home and it was the happiest day of her life.

She is finally comfortable enough to know she’s not going to get smacked for being a child and has started laughing out loud and singing in her toddler way of “dooo dooo dooo” while playing with her baby doll.

Domestic violence is FAR from being a female only issue and I just wish we were allowed to recognise that without fear.

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -31 points-30 points-29 points 2 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

No one ever thought this was a female only issue.

[–]not_quite_so_random 23 points24 points25 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The duluth model disagrees

[–]The_Dapper_Balrog 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I hate to break it to you, but you're very wrong.

As another commenter mentioned, feminism came up with the "Duluth model of domestic violence", which outright states that men can only be perpetrators of domestic abuse/violence, and that women can only be victims. This model is still the primary model used in US law enforcement, DV resources (like shelters and counseling), mental health resources, etc.

In many countries, including western ones, women cannot be arrested for or charged with domestic violence, and men cannot legally be considered victims of DV. This despite the fact that most DV is reciprocal, and even the majority of single-perpetrator DV is actually perpetrated by women, not men.

Even in the US, UK, and other countries where women can be charged with DV, both legislation as well as enforcement overwhelmingly favor women (the Family Violence Prevention Act was replaced with the Violence Against Women Act; see again the Duluth model, and also see the gender sentencing gap).

Y'all are tripping.

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

There are tons of places in the US, at least, where women are totally charged with DV. What places don't?

[–]Clemicus 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How about you just stick to r/boysarequirky 🤷‍♂️

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -3 points-2 points-1 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So you don't know of anywhere where women aren't being charged for DV, then.

[–]The_Dapper_Balrog 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Spain. India. Two major examples right there.

Even when women can be charged with DV, they usually aren't. And even when they are, they are both charged at significantly lower rates than men are (despite the gender parity of the issue) and also receive significantly shorter sentences than their male counterparts thanks to the gender sentencing gap (which is greater than the racial sentencing gap, FYI).

No matter what way you look at it, women who commit DV, even in the US, most often get away with it.

[+]Minimum_Guarantee 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Citations for this? Spain it looks like they can be charged of DV.

[–]The_Dapper_Balrog 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Nope. The VioGen law defines domestic violence exclusively as perpetrated against women by men.

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It looks like women can still be charged for DV though. There's a different charge that applies to violence against women, kinda like assault on a female. I don't think 75% are false, they just couldn't verify for sure. Victims really aren't believed against abusers.

[–]The_Dapper_Balrog 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You "don't think 75% are false." Any evidence for that? Or are you just going off of your sexist assumption that men commit more DV than women do (also false; the rates are about equal, as most DV is reciprocal; however, even in single-perpetrator DV, women actually commit more DV than men do).

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

When male victims are charged of bringing forth false claims/their female abusers were believed over them, do you think it's because their claims were truly false?

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Also, I 100% KNOW all those claims weren't truly false.

[–]Nobleone11 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bullshit.

[–]MexicanStrongman500 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Quit your gaslighting.

[–]AskingToFeminists 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The helpseeking experience of male victimes of domestic violence is a paper documenting how men are received in services for victims. Most services are either feminist run or feminist trained. And it appears that the result is not pretty.

So who are they ? Pretty much most feminists having any authority when it comes to services to DV victims.

Thirty years of denying the evidences on gender symmetry is a paper documenting the various tactics feminist academics have used to try to prevent and keep under wrap research that took a fair approach to DV. So, who are they ? A huge chunk of the feminist academics "researching" DV.

Despite feminists' best efforts to prevent it, researchers have still conducted fair research in DV. The biggest metaanalysis of the topic can be found publish at springer and also available to everyone here : https://domesticviolenceresearch.org/

The feminist case for acknowledging women's acts of violence is a feminist paper discussing how and why feminists have "engaged in strategies of containment", aka engaged in lies, fraud, data manipulation and threats as seen previously, regarding female perpetrated DV. Here are a few bits :

Acknowledging women’s acts of violence may be a necessary—if uncomfortable—step to make dynamic the movement to end gendered violence.

Why would a movement to end violence have any issue acknowledging some of the perpetrators, to the point that it is uncomfortable for the movement to do so? How can that violence be gendered if both genders commit it? 

This transformative movement was accurately and squarely framed as a movement primarily to protect women from male intimate partner violence.

If a feminist ever try to say that the help for domestic violence is not at all gendered, really, I swear. 

This paper describes this limited response to women as perpetrators of domestic violence as a feminist “strategy of containment.” When deploying this strategy,  domestic  violence  advocates  respond  to  women’s  acts  of  domestic violence  by  [...] preserving  the  dominant framing  of  domestic  violence  as  a  gendered  issue. This  strategy  thus  positions women’s  acts  of  violence  as  a  footnote  to  the  larger  story  of  women  as  victims of  male violence. 

Yeah, because what is important is the feminist framing. Nothing can be allowed to damage that. Remember guys, men bad, women victims. 

The gendered framing of domestic violence aligned with the work of the feminist movement more broadly, harmoniously positioning the movements as inter-connected. Domestic violence was specifically framed around a collective “oneness” of women as victims and men as perpetrators.

Just in case you doubted my previous point.

The reasons given in that paper for why feminists might want to stop lying ? It might make it harder for feminists to recruit, and thus to keep getting public funding that can then be used to push for politicalmchange rather than helping victims. Isn't that embezzlement? What is one more morally questionable act, at this point...

Care for truth, care for the victims, care for effectiveness in limiting DV ? Those will not be found in that paper. I guess they are not feminist objectives.

But well, this kind of thing has been apparent for long. After all, take feminists favorite excuse to justify asymmetry in services : but more women are killed by their partner, so obviously DV against women is worse.

Gender Differences in Patterns and Trends in U.S. Homicide, 1976–2015 is a paper that looks at that. Turns out that women used to die at about the same rate as men, but as various services for women became available, it is the number of men killed that diminished. Here is what they had to say.

"Among all the results already reported, perhaps the most striking and important surrounds the trends in intimate partner homicide, particularly in the context of ongoing efforts to curtail domestic violence. Some researchers argue that the reduction in male intimate partner victimization, a decline of nearly 60% over the past four decades, is because of an increase in the availability of social and legal interventions, liberalized divorce laws, greater economic independence of women, as well as a reduction in the stigma of being the victim of domestic violence. Although at an earlier time a woman may have felt compelled to kill her abusive spouse as her only defense, she now has more opportunities to escape the relationship through means such as protective orders and shelters (Dugan et al. 1999; Fox et al. 2012). As a tragic irony, the wider availability of support services for abused women did not appear to have quite the intended effect, at least through the 1980s, as only male victimization declined."

The bias couldn't be more obvious. The absence of the obvious conclusion "Services for abused men could be the way to reduce the deaths of women" is pretty much shouting at us.

But as seen previously, a good feminist scholar will engage in "strategies of containment" regarding male victims of DV and female perpetrators, and a non feminist scholar better toe the line or else.

And it turns out that the feminist favorite counter for why DV against women is worse and thus deserve more services is actually the direct consequence of women receiving more service. You will note that such phenomenon is discussed since at least 1999 (and in fact, the "battered woman syndrome" that is used to explain it dates back to 1979, and had anyone been listening to the people who even back then were trying to point out that DV was not gendered,  there was no reason to not suppose an equivalent "battered husband syndrome", and to treat everyone fairly).

As such it has been decades that it has been established, even by feminists, that the best way to save women's lives might be to help male victims, yet the narrative has kept being pushed, preferring to maintain the "feminist framework of a oneness of women as victims and men as perpetrators".

[+]Minimum_Guarantee 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You realize more men died then because women had less resources to leave their abusers, so they ended up having to murder their male abusers?

[–]AskingToFeminists 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That is precisely the point. 

Resources were provided to help women escape their abusers, and the number of men killed diminished from equality to its current level. 

Meanwhile,  virtually no services were provided to help male victims, and the number of women killed barely changed.

Given that pretty much all studies on the topic point to men and women having the same psychological impact from being victimized, there is little reason to belive that providing services to male victims of DV escape their abusers would not have the same effect on diminishing the number of women killed.

[+]Minimum_Guarantee 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But there wasn't equality ever. There isn't the same psychological impact, either.

[–]Anonymous_299912 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is that an anecdote or fact? Let's pipe your own words back at you.

You are essentially saying if women kill, then they didn't have any other option. Neglecting the argument that if men kill, then they don't have any option. For both it could be true but also false.

I don't know how you are going to prove "any other option" for "most women". And disapprove the other.

[–]Aqua-man1987 14 points15 points16 points 2 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link

The thing most WOMEN have been told is that unless they're not being physical, the abuse is accepted because its subtle, and we are men and should just deal with it.

I was told by and Ex that I'm not a man for not showing her enough patience, I helped with childcare when she studied - child wasn't mines, I helped tidied and look after the house and her dog, I didn't live there at the time. Helped her with mediation for the Father of her child that would be berating/verbally abusive to her continously over 9years until I came into the picture, overall I thought her how to love herself and she's worth more than just a pretty face and three holes as she has an unhealthy relationship with sex, at 15 she had a boyfriend 25year old, who her parents would let into the house and was well aware of his age.

Guess who was deemed the abusive and controlling one?

[+]flipsidetroll 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She is trash for that. But remember one thing …. Someone defining you as less than for something they happily used and accepted, is all on them. You are not what she defines you as.

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

What was keeping you from leaving?

[–]Aqua-man1987 12 points13 points14 points 2 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link

At the time I didn't recognise what was happening. Only when we broke up and spoke to others, I then realised. This is the thing gaslighting and emotional manipulation was really good on her behalf. We had an argument once I left, and she had her and her daughter on the phone crying and begging me to come back, and like a sucker I fell for it.

I love helping others so she knew how to fully manipulate that without me realising as I was truly in Love with her and wanted to help as I thought that's what partners do for each other.

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link

How did she manipulate what you deal with now

[–]Aqua-man1987 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

Using your young child on a phone call to ask someone to come back, knowing you were in the wrong, especially if that person comes back and you didn't do what was agreed upon that person's return is manipulation.

I don't deal with anything now as relationships and marriage is off the table for me. The only relationships I'm fully invested in is the ones with my child, family, and close friends.

[+]Minimum_Guarantee 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

You didn't fear for your life?

[–]Aqua-man1987 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

When your truly in love or feel as if you are, you'll be blind to a lot of things. Fear for my life no its the UK.

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

Plenty of people fear being murdered by their partners for real reasons.

[–]Aqua-man1987 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Yer again, it's the UK. The only thing I fear are fema-nazis like yourself that erode mens experience with abuse because people such as yourself think men should suck it up.

When in reality alot of Women are abusive, manipulative predators and their behaviour gets down played because they're seen as soft protected species.

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -4 points-3 points-2 points 2 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

I fear being murdered by a man.

[–]Comfortable_Ad_9154 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I was afraid and fled, people still were on her side up until she went after them... in the US their is a male perpetrator female victim default... time for society to start acknowledging that

[+]Minimum_Guarantee 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Afraid of what?

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -8 points-7 points-6 points 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Also do you realize most women who need to flee know exactly why they need to flee???? They don't realize later.

[–]Aqua-man1987 11 points12 points13 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Childhood trauma, abuse, and being abandoned by your parents and raised by the streets will make you unaware of a lot of things. Just look at most young men and women in gangs who have been neglected by parents at a young age.

[+]flipsidetroll 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately, many men don’t realize why they act a certain way when older that it could be trauma from when they were young. So good point.

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Were you neglected by your parents at a young age?

[–]Aqua-man1987 11 points12 points13 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No I wasn't, my childhood was amazing made me the man I am. Where you?

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Both, really

[–]Nobleone11 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yet here you are making excuses or trying to minimize domestic violence against men alone.

If your mother was neglectful, why leave HER out of the equation?

[–]Anonymous_299912 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah bro I can tell ☠️😂

[–]63daddy 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

That’s one of the better articles describing the situation I’ve ever read. Thanks for sharing.

Many good points but one I think especially relevant:

“Of the half that did not, [speaking to reciprocal violence] women were actually more likely than men to be the instigators of the violence.

This doesn't mean that the outcomes of domestic violence are always equal; men tend to be bigger and stronger than women, and therefore are more likely to cause serious harm, even in situations where violence is reciprocal.”

I think a common and flawed argument is that because women often come out worse when things escalate, it must be men’s fault, but as the article states numerous studies show women initiate more DV than men and this misconception in turn impacts whom police arrest, which sex victim services focus on, etc.

Of course some of this misconception is a result of disinformation such as the feminist Duluth Model.

[–]Vegetable_Ad1732 12 points13 points14 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It is true that more women are killed in DV, 78% female vs 22% male. Just keep in mind women often use weapons, and that 35% of abused men suffer serious injuries.

[–]AskingToFeminists 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The feminist case for acknowledging women's acts of violence is a feminist paper discussing how and why feminists have "engaged in strategies of containment", aka engaged in lies, fraud, data manipulation and threats as seen previously, regarding female perpetrated DV. Here are a few bits :

Acknowledging women’s acts of violence may be a necessary—if uncomfortable—step to make dynamic the movement to end gendered violence.

Why would a movement to end violence have any issue acknowledging some of the perpetrators, to the point that it is uncomfortable for the movement to do so? How can that violence be gendered if both genders commit it? 

This transformative movement was accurately and squarely framed as a movement primarily to protect women from male intimate partner violence.

If a feminist ever try to say that the help for domestic violence is not at all gendered, really, I swear. 

This paper describes this limited response to women as perpetrators of domestic violence as a feminist “strategy of containment.” When deploying this strategy,  domestic  violence  advocates  respond  to  women’s  acts  of  domestic violence  by  [...] preserving  the  dominant framing  of  domestic  violence  as  a  gendered  issue. This  strategy  thus  positions women’s  acts  of  violence  as  a  footnote  to  the  larger  story  of  women  as  victims of  male violence. 

Yeah, because what is important is the feminist framing. Nothing can be allowed to damage that. Remember guys, men bad, women victims. 

The gendered framing of domestic violence aligned with the work of the feminist movement more broadly, harmoniously positioning the movements as inter-connected. Domestic violence was specifically framed around a collective “oneness” of women as victims and men as perpetrators.

Just in case you doubted my previous point.

The reasons given in that paper for why feminists might want to stop lying ? It might make it harder for feminists to recruit, and thus to keep getting public funding that can then be used to push for politicalmchange rather than helping victims. Isn't that embezzlement? What is one more morally questionable act, at this point...

Care for truth, care for the victims, care for effectiveness in limiting DV ? Those will not be found in that paper. I guess they are not feminist objectives.

But well, this kind of thing has been apparent for long. After all, take feminists favorite excuse to justify asymmetry in services : but more women are killed by their partner, so obviously DV against women is worse.

Gender Differences in Patterns and Trends in U.S. Homicide, 1976–2015 is a paper that looks at that. Turns out that women used to die at about the same rate as men, but as various services for women became available, it is the number of men killed that diminished. Here is what they had to say.

"Among all the results already reported, perhaps the most striking and important surrounds the trends in intimate partner homicide, particularly in the context of ongoing efforts to curtail domestic violence. Some researchers argue that the reduction in male intimate partner victimization, a decline of nearly 60% over the past four decades, is because of an increase in the availability of social and legal interventions, liberalized divorce laws, greater economic independence of women, as well as a reduction in the stigma of being the victim of domestic violence. Although at an earlier time a woman may have felt compelled to kill her abusive spouse as her only defense, she now has more opportunities to escape the relationship through means such as protective orders and shelters (Dugan et al. 1999; Fox et al. 2012). As a tragic irony, the wider availability of support services for abused women did not appear to have quite the intended effect, at least through the 1980s, as only male victimization declined."

The bias couldn't be more obvious. The absence of the obvious conclusion "Services for abused men could be the way to reduce the deaths of women" is pretty much shouting at us.

But as seen previously, a good feminist scholar will engage in "strategies of containment" regarding male victims of DV and female perpetrators, and a non feminist scholar better toe the line or else.

And it turns out that the feminist favorite counter for why DV against women is worse and thus deserve more services is actually the direct consequence of women receiving more service. You will note that such phenomenon is discussed since at least 1999 (and in fact, the "battered woman syndrome" that is used to explain it dates back to 1979, and had anyone been listening to the people who even back then were trying to point out that DV was not gendered,  there was no reason to not suppose an equivalent "battered husband syndrome", and to treat everyone fairly).

As such it has been decades that it has been established, even by feminists, that the best way to save women's lives might be to help male victims, yet the narrative has kept being pushed, preferring to maintain the "feminist framework of a oneness of women as victims and men as perpetrators".

[–]Vegetable_Ad1732 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've read that study before. A great study if you're arguing with feminists about the issue.

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -3 points-2 points-1 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Citations please.

[–]Vegetable_Ad1732 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ask and ye shall receive.

From http://www.saveservices.org/pdf/SAVE-VAWA-Discriminates-Against-Males.pdf , page 1

"An analysis of 302 men battered by their female partners found 35% of the men had sustained severe physical injuries as a result of the battering. In addition, 23% of the men in the study had been diagnosed with a mental illness such as depressive disorder or anxiety disorder.5 " And from

https://ir.law.fsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1595&context=lr
Page 799 “Combining the data collected on the last five categories of physical violence to create a “Severe Violence Index,” wives were found to engage in more severe acts of violence than husbands.”

[+]Minimum_Guarantee 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

These are kinda old, would like some updated info if available.

[+]Nurse-Cat-356 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It seems pretty universal over all four relationships. Mf. Mm. Ff. Other/other.

However there's always the issue of upper body strength and musculature. 

If my wife and both her sisters attacked me. I'd win . In a land slide. 

[–]sanitaryinspector 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not a sanctioned fight though, some become paralyzed by terror at first

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -3 points-2 points-1 points 2 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

In which cases do you ever believe females?

[–]Darth-Zoolu 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

When there’s a little bit of evidence that isn’t contradicted by eyewitnesses and experts.

[+]Minimum_Guarantee 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Abusers tend to be good liars, so victims aren't often believed.

[–]Anonymous_299912 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Statement applies both ways

[–]The_Dapper_Balrog 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What a disingenuous question.

When there's sufficient evidence.

In many countries (including western, European ones) around the world, male victims legally can't even receive help, never mind justice, because women can by law only be considered victims of DV, and men can by law only be considered perpetrators.

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There's no evidence for your claims.

[–]Anonymous_299912 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've seen more evidence from everyone except you. I'm sorry you don't deserve it.

[–]HotwheelsJackOfficia 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Whatever is brought up without evidence can be disregarded without evidence.

[–]TenuousOgre 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I believe women if they have evidence to support their claims. Innocent until proven guilty is still an important principle. The “believe all women” slogan goes too far. Yes, take a women's claims seriously in terms of investigating it and helping her get safe. But accusation does not equal guilt because we have more and more evidence women lie, are at least as abusive physically as men, and are more so abusive emotionally. The key difference that gets blown up into “all men” is that men are simply better at violence, meaning when men set out to suicide, far more are successful than women, but also men do more physical damage in dv situations. Women on the other hand focus on destruction of self image and reputation (emotional abuse). They start more dv, they conduct more minor dv and verbal abuse which over time may escalate.

[+]Minimum_Guarantee 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

The homicide and serious physical injury is kinda widespread, though.

[–]TenuousOgre 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It is, yes, for both genders, men more than women actually. Again, evidence is what establishes guilt.

[+]Minimum_Guarantee 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Men more than women because of other men. But women aren't hurting men the way men are hurting women.

[–]TenuousOgre 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No, they are hurting men in different ways. For example, a wife emotionally abuses her husband for five years then adds in low grade physical violence against him for another 10 years. One day he snaps and punches her hard, shattering her cheekbone, giving her two black eyes, and getting arrested. But he's actually be more harmed and suffered longer, it just doesn’t count because it’s not big enough. Recent studies show women actually initiate more dv than men do, and far more emotional abuse. Men are more successful at it when they turn to violence. It’s not as one sided as you seem to think.

[+]Minimum_Guarantee -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No, dude.

[–]Anonymous_299912 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great counter /s

[–]Anonymous_299912 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Debatable

[–]Anonymous_299912 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, dude (lol using your counter against you)

[–]Anonymous_299912 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Females who aren't you?

[–]IllustriousPie2271 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As someone who just got out of a relationship that was starting to be domestic violence, because no matter how many times I thought told her to stop hitting me or that hurts or I don’t like that she kept on doing it and if she ended up staying with me for longer I probably definitely would’ve starting to get abused on a daily basis. I’m happy that I left her.

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