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[–][deleted] 78 points79 points80 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Women are mostly passive. You will need to lead and they (if they are willing) should follow. This goes from everything from the initial approach, to logistically getting her back to your place (or hers), and you getting her clothes off.
Now there are some rare situations where the girl is just ready to go and openly active in getting both of you to the bedroom. It can happen if she is in the right sexual state of mind (which hopefully you created), or it's just that time of month and she's thrown the laundry list of "perfect man" traits away temporarily, as she's just looking to get some. These women are fun!
However, this is generally not the case. You will need to propose that she do some legwork in getting to your place, and once she's there, you make a move on her - and see what happens next.
Women are usually good to go if they're coming over alone to your place. They don't put themselves in these sorts of situations if they're not looking to get some.
[–]shitt_throwaway 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. Yet I made some mistakes. I made a post here recently about how it becomes very sexual, but it doesn't move to the sex part because I fail the shit test?
Attraction at a big level, kissing, rubbing, riding.. But when I get to the part to get into their panties, it's a no no. Like "I never got to that part"(even though she rubbing on myself like crazy), "I'm not feeling it, it's to fast" and later with the same girl "there's a dude I'm still not over with". The third one was into it af, but said "not this time".
With all of them it was the first time I met them and third time with one of them. What should I do? Do I fail the shit test? I don't want to make the same mistake again
Do I need to get my shlong out first?
[–]alexmaycovid 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Yes. Take off your clothes earlier than hers. Don't forget to arouse her with foreplay.
[–]shitt_throwaway 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
They were definitely aroused. It was going smooth as fuck, everything was mutual, fire is huge. The foreplay was also mutual. Fire was there. I'm a bit angry considering it's happening for the third bloody time. One even rubbed me dick after she said "not now" ffs. Hurts going back to it 😂
Thanks for the tip. Next time the hose is dangling before you know it
[–]alexmaycovid 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Did you try again? Sometimes they maybe isn't ready maybe didn't shave or on their period
[–]shitt_throwaway 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Didn't meet after that. It happened pretty recently, we might meet up again.
When we parted, it was kinda romantic, goodnight in dm. She initiated the convo the next day. The day after the chat was kinda stumbling and it felt like she was distanced a bit, and me rewinding back that I didn't take the chance made me anxious a bit. I don't like that I'm feeling this way as the emotion is too strong. She didn't reciprocate with the same emojis the next day on the gn message. Damn I'm overthinking this lol
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[–]shitt_throwaway -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Stubble? Are you referring to beard?
Not sure what you mean with" Try it, it's looking like you really got jackshit to loose anyway. "
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Going down on her will steamroll any resistance. If you get that far, work her out with your tongue for a while and try again. If she's on her period and self-conscious about it, you'll find out when you go in this direction.
Don't stop when she says "no" while breathlessly squirming. Some women want to feel as if they are resisting as part of their fantasy of being "overpowered" by a man who is so turned on by her that he can't stop himself. Also they don't want to show that they are slutty (even though all women are to various degrees), so they push back a little bit. Yes it's annoying.
Again, you have to ask yourself, what is she doing alone at your place and fooling around with you if she doesn't want it to go further? If a woman is generally not interested in you sexually, you don't even get to that point because she won't let you.
The only time you stop is when she pushes herself up off you, angrily yells "NO!" and storms out the door or demands to be taken home. Even more so if she's angry and trying to hit you (should be blatantly obvious something is very wrong if it ever gets to that point). That's a hard NO, and if you get that sort of response you have to stop.
The worst I have had in all my experience is just a woman asking to be taken home... which I did because her behaviour ruined the mood anyway.
The other time when no really means no is if she's drunk. Don't even go there if she's been drinking heavily. Sex is not even much fun with a drunk partner even when they consent!
[–]shitt_throwaway 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thank you bro!
I was rubbing her through pants and she was reciprocating, moaning etc
And she said no in a playful way ffs. Ahh hurts going back to it lol
"by a man who is so turned on by her that he can't stop himself" I was absolutely like it, dunno why I eased on it. It's not like I felt bad, I liked the girl enough that I enjoyed the time with her anyhow sex/no sex
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Chalk it up to experience. I have lost my fair share of sexual encounters due to this particular fake-out. It's confusing when you encounter it. The next time I encountered it, I blasted through it and she really loved the sex.
You should never take a woman's initial response as set in stone. It changes depending on her mood and feelings. Even more so if you catch her during ovulation where most of her resistance is gone anyway. That's why next time they say no, put your tongue on her g-spot. Should solve the problem.
[–]0h4m_SLF_MPRVMNT 44 points45 points46 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
wish I’d read this a week ago haha 🥲
[–]BlueVentureatWork 33 points34 points35 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
next week's you is glad you read it today
[–]burncushlikewood 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Totally agree, this is a positive mindset, it'll help you get better results by projecting confidence https://tenor.com/bbQCO.gif
[–]macroxela 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is true as long as she doesn't give any negative body language. Unfortunately, that negative body language can be quite subtle which most men will miss. As long as you take it in stride and not personally, you'll be fine.
[–]blackopsplayer5 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
True, with practice or general awareness you can see who’s a good fit for you too and just living your life relaxed
[–]NichRigga- 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Facts. Ive seen girls go with the first dude that approached them, even if they’re not objectively attractive 😂 saw this at a rave last Friday.
[–]Canadian-Seductioner 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have noticed girls are desperetaly waiting for you to make moves. Even if they say nothing. As long as she stays around, it’s because she is at least curious if not interested. Like she could be talking to anyone or be getting drunk anywhere in the club but no, she's here with you, she is here. So as long as you she doesn’t turn around or tries to go away, she’s waiting for you to do stuff. Even if she is impressive and has a bitchy resting face. Even if she doesn’t show she is interested, she’s waiting for you to talk to her or escalate.
I have noticed girls are desperetaly waiting for you to make moves. Even if they say nothing. As long as she stays around, it’s because she is at least curious if not interested.
Like she could be talking to anyone or be getting drunk anywhere in the club but no, she's here with you, she is here.
So as long as you she doesn’t turn around or tries to go away, she’s waiting for you to do stuff. Even if she is impressive and has a bitchy resting face.
Even if she doesn’t show she is interested, she’s waiting for you to talk to her or escalate.
100 fucking percent. Every guy here needs to get this into their heads. If the girl is still hanging around you (and not because she has to) and isn't making excuses to get away from you, she's interested and is waiting for you to do something.
[–]HamsterSashimi 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
True but goddamn, I wish I just had to stand around and look pretty to get some action
[–]DetainTheFranzia 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Actually we have it better, because a lot of how women look is out of their control, whereas most of what we need to be successful is within our control
[–]_oct0ber_ 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For the most part, that's been my experience recently. I used to think all this stuff was super complicated and technical, but in the past short while I've been leading a lot more and finding that 90% of the time everything is better when I just do what I actually want to do instead of waiting around for something to happen. When I started getting dates just from talking to people or making out with people just because I felt like going for it I remember thinking, "Wait... it was this easy the whole time?!"
95% of the problems you have are in your head. If you act without neediness, have fun, and be a little assertive, it really does make a world of difference. The hardest part is actually walking forward.
[–]tristian_lay 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
My issue is..when they’re mostly passive like that..what’s the point?
A girl could be DTF but would never utter a word- yeah society tells her “if you’re showing interest, guys think you’re a hoe” and if a guy shows interest he’s conditioned to think “this guy is a creep get away from me”
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[–]tristian_lay 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
For sure I get ya. I was referring to the passive girls (seems like the majority). They may be interested but they’re so dull that it turns me off to approach.
As the saying goes 20% of guys get 80% of women.. those guys push through the passiveness so those girls just assume to act passive expecting you to be that type of guy and then they never experience rejection (which I believe is actually worse for their mental state than for a guy).
I’ve seem passive girls get frustrated cause I wasn’t pushing through their tests and just wrote them off and went on with my life. For me, I just can’t get over how low value it is when girls are being aloof are when they are actually interested
[–]hotshot117 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They mostly do
Alot of them drop hints in hopes you notice them like dancing near you and dropping these sneaky eye contact moves. Key is recognising it and taking action.
[–]willgo-waggins 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are spot on here.
This is one of the points I have forgotten tonnage when I talk in this sub about no longer approaching women. This sort of situation is a dead giveaway that they are quietly interested but either don’t know how to approach you, don’t have the confidence or are afraid they will be giving their desire away to easily and too early. Understanding that there are societal restraints that keep women from being forward.
As an example this past weekend. I was at three different venues. Two on Friday and one on Sunday. I was out with friends at all.
Now a caveat for me. I am moving to a relationship level here with my FWB so I am not actually looking for or approaching ANY women right now. No interest.
Anyway the second spot on Friday I notice this woman. She is with the pack ‘o girlfriends and a couple of dudes who were obviously with two of the girls. She is (she thinks) looking at me. Pretty obviously checking me out. This goes in through the night including moving strategically around to be closest to where I am standing with my friends (mixed group and one of my best friends who is a cute pixie petite blind with huge tits). She makes it PAINFULLY obvious that she is interested gong as far as intentionally leaning over and rubbing her tits against me at the bar. Even though the band sucked for dancing (it was a grand te opening event and they were really a listening band - really shitty choice by the new owners), I could have scooped her up, separated her from her friends and taken her home without a lot of effort. I just wasn’t hunting because I’m happy where I’m at.
Anyway on Sunday sure enough she and the friend that seemed to be bestie show il at a totally different venue on the opposite end of the city. Again I’m there hosting friends. Mixed group. She has other peeps there but after I go out to dance to the band with my friends she drags her friend over right by me. They keep hanging around and keep going by our table. More brushing up. All the time both places lots of big smiles and lowered eye looks and stuff. She and her girl are hanging with others that are with some older slick types (boat guys this is a riverside venue with docks) one of whom is pushing hard trying to get at her. She isn’t giving him time of day and keeps looking back at me. On the way out she FINALLY gets her courage up and says “bye” with a smile obviously hoping for some convo. I smile and say “see you next time” and walk on out.
Again if I had really wanted ti scoop her up it would have been a minimal effort because she was making herself obviously open to me for the second time and second venue of the weekend. So it pays to pay close attention to exactly what you say that they are there and wanting you yo simply act and take the initiative.
[–]H8beingmale 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
well duh, thats an understatement, women have always played a passive role in seduction or human mating, forming relationships
[–]blackopsplayer5 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
True
[–]DeJuanBallard 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Too bad, ......... just fyi, only certain types of dudes are still cold approaching women.
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